'22 TX WR Evan Stewart (Oregon)

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Dadof2Vols said:
Wonder how many drops there will be next year with more feathered passes Instead of bullets?

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Wonder how many int’s will be thrown with feathered passes?

This is big boy football those catches have to be made if we are to compete for championships. Why do you think OSU is offering Harrison first round money to come back next year??
 
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TrippieRedd said:
Probably isn’t yes or no. But I’ll take your probably as a yes, if so, thank you for finally agreeing with me. Put him on the outside, keep everyone happy. Thanks for playing.


You assume Bru is the only one that blocks, you’re also implying this kid can’t block. Way to try to make it fit your argument. It’s okay to lose
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You’re talking about taking an elite slot wr and putting him on the outside where he will not be as good and our offense won’t be as good either.

On topic I have no idea if Bru will be back nor what kind of condition he will be in if he comes back but it has nothing to do with Stewart imo.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
You're willingly disingenuous because you are refusing to acknowledge Thornton's uptick in production when moving outside.

You know who he started over when he moved outside? Webb and Nimrod. You know who he produced more than? Webb and Nimrod.
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How is it being disingenuous? Did he play better in the UK game and 1 catch against Missouri? Yes but it would also be disingenuous to discount Nimrod getting a deep TD catch against UK and better games against UGA and Vandy to close the year.

We can’t highlight 2 games played by one but discounting 2 of the other.

Why are we holding so much water for an underperforming transfer yet we can’t highlight the play of our HS guys? The problem that I have is that we highlight poor development of our HS guys yet we will continue to give reps to a transfer guy who has yet to perform in his career.
 
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jakez4ut said:
I think it's possible you only lose 2 if Bru is 100% and we got Stewart. Webb or nimrod and white. I'm not saying that's good or bad, but there's gonna be done questions to answer for sure and we won't be able to make everyone happy. And I'm not convinced thorton is a sure thing as a starter either.

At the end of the day, we're making assumptions about pecking order. As we sit right now the competition to get in to that top 4-5 in the rotation should be really good.

Brazzel, thorton, Bru, keyton all outside guys.


Everybody else I think can go inside or out... With squirrel or Stewart primarily inside.
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Where is the assertion coming from that Matthews is not an outside guy? Is it because of his height? Dude is a vicious blocker, physical on the outside and electric with the ball in his hands. Outside of him not being 6’2”+ he screams outside guy for us.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I don’t see this being a fit for us for 1 season. You lose Squirrell likely. Rather have him for 2 years bc I think that’s when we make our run.
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Agreed. Unless Stewart is willing to play more on the outside and block I believe the risk would certainly outweigh the reward.

That is tough to say with a potential first round draft pick though.
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
Agreed. Unless Stewart is willing to play more on the outside and block I believe the risk would certainly outweigh the reward.

That is tough to say with a potential first round draft pick though.
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I mean I’m not sure why he would do that though is what I’m getting at. I just don’t see him situationally being a fit for us. You bring in Stewart if you’re ready to move on from squirrel imo.
 
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The perception here of inside/outside positions is terribly misguided. Heupel’s O has 30+ basic route groups. Two years ago, we ran about 24 route groups. Many were designed to break cover two and man match with either Hyatt or outside 2 hitting a coverage gap. We used slot as a coverage break. At UCF, Heupel used slot to pick and cross, and ran outside guys into posts deep. Last year, over 90% of our plays came from four primary routes, outside of screens. We ran almost nothing over the middle, no flags, short flags or posts. We ran fly patterns and comebacks almost completely, except in the red zone. Heupel has always pulled routes based on talent and matchups. Last year, the blend of Milton’s skills and challenges combined with available receivers and matchups meant we really limited the playbook. A six foot super-athlete like Matthews or Staley (or Stewart) can play anywhere. Full stop. Stop pretending you know what a slot is because “AP said”. That isn’t how this offense or any similar offense works. Squirrel might have limitations, but that is not true of Staley or Matthews. A 6 foot 180 guy is prime to play inside OR one of the outside positions. Another myth— Thornton didn’t get better because of a position switch. That’s more “I heard it on a podcast” gibberish. He got better because he got over an injury and started to practice. They limited his routes, as they did with the whole offense last year. He can play either position and either position well. He did so all Fall practice before he got hurt. They just decided to get his timing tight with Milton on limited routes, and they all came from that set. Next year, a healthy roster means we’ll do very well in the passing game. Our returning core is good, but I’m very excited about the new guys too. Brazzell gives us a really great options for high balls, back shoulder throws and go routes on the outside. He may not be Julio Jones, but he is a nightmare for a six foot corner. Staes is a physical mismatch in the middle and has the speed to pull a safety into dead zones. Matthews and Staley are the prototypical 6 foot 180 athletes that could play safety or WR in the NFL. You love having that body type on O. No one knows Bru’s recovery trajectory, but he is world class blocker, and plays a tough game on smaller guys. Don’t forget that Seldon is the first RB we’ve had since Kamara that lives to catch a short ball on the run. He has the hands, body and speed to make teams respect him when he releases. It’s the most promising WR room we’ve had in a very long time. Playing time is going to be tight, but what a great group.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I mean I’m not sure why he would do that though is what I’m getting at. I just don’t see him situationally being a fit for us. You bring in Stewart if you’re ready to move on from squirrel imo.
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I agree it would also be a bad look to any HS prospects moving forward as well. Hey come here be our top performer and we will recruit over you at the first chance we get. I don’t think there is much good that could come out of the situation.

Also unless someone else steps up Squirrel will be the only Heupel HS WR recruit to be a major contributor going into year 5.
 
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volfan411 said:
Stewart plays the slot so I guess the other option is to not recruit him. You want the best players or not??

Sorry just saw your post to not recruit Stewart if it means cutting ties with Squirrel.
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The staff wouldn’t have to sever ties with Squirrel since Stewart can play both slot and outside.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
The perception here of inside/outside positions is terribly misguided. Heupel’s O has 30+ basic route groups. Two years ago, we ran about 24 route groups. Many were designed to break cover two and man match with either Hyatt or outside 2 hitting a coverage gap. We used slot as a coverage break. At UCF, Heupel used slot to pick and cross, and ran outside guys into posts deep. Last year, over 90% of our plays came from four primary routes, outside of screens. We ran almost nothing over the middle, no flags, short flags or posts. We ran fly patterns and comebacks almost completely, except in the red zone. Heupel has always pulled routes based on talent and matchups. Last year, the blend of Milton’s skills and challenges combined with available receivers and matchups meant we really limited the playbook. A six foot super-athlete like Matthews or Staley (or Stewart) can play anywhere. Full stop. Stop pretending you know what a slot is because “AP said”. That isn’t how this offense or any similar offense works. Squirrel might have limitations, but that is not true of Staley or Matthews. A 6 foot 180 guy is prime to play inside OR one of the outside positions. Another myth— Thornton didn’t get better because of a position switch. That’s more “I heard it on a podcast” gibberish. He got better because he got over an injury and started to practice. They limited his routes, as they did with the whole offense last year. He can play either position and either position well. He did so all Fall practice before he got hurt. They just decided to get his timing tight with Milton on limited routes, and they all came from that set. Next year, a healthy roster means we’ll do very well in the passing game. Our returning core is good, but I’m very excited about the new guys too. Brazzell gives us a really great options for high balls, back shoulder throws and go routes on the outside. He may not be Julio Jones, but he is a nightmare for a six foot corner. Staes is a physical mismatch in the middle and has the speed to pull a safety into dead zones. Matthews and Staley are the prototypical 6 foot 180 athletes that could play safety or WR in the NFL. You love having that body type on O. No one knows Bru’s recovery trajectory, but he is world class blocker, and plays a tough game on smaller guys. Don’t forget that Seldon is the first RB we’ve had since Kamara that lives to catch a short ball on the run. He has the hands, body and speed to make teams respect him when he releases. It’s the most promising WR room we’ve had in a very long time. Playing time is going to be tight, but what a great group.
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So Stewart is coming or no?
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
How is it being disingenuous? Did he play better in the UK game and 1 catch against Missouri? Yes but it would also be disingenuous to discount Nimrod getting a deep TD catch against UK and better games against UGA and Vandy to close the year.

We can’t highlight 2 games played by one but discounting 2 of the other.

Why are we holding so much water for an underperforming transfer yet we can’t highlight the play of our HS guys? The problem that I have is that we highlight poor development of our HS guys yet we will continue to give reps to a transfer guy who has yet to perform in his career.
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It's disingenuous because you clearly have an anti-Thornton agenda and nothing can persuade you otherwise.

If you were thinking objectively you would have mentioned how much better he played once he got healthy and moved outside. After that he was no longer under performing.

You play the best players, doesn't matter if they're a transfer or HS guy.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
The perception here of inside/outside positions is terribly misguided. Heupel’s O has 30+ basic route groups. Two years ago, we ran about 24 route groups. Many were designed to break cover two and man match with either Hyatt or outside 2 hitting a coverage gap. We used slot as a coverage break. At UCF, Heupel used slot to pick and cross, and ran outside guys into posts deep. Last year, over 90% of our plays came from four primary routes, outside of screens. We ran almost nothing over the middle, no flags, short flags or posts. We ran fly patterns and comebacks almost completely, except in the red zone. Heupel has always pulled routes based on talent and matchups. Last year, the blend of Milton’s skills and challenges combined with available receivers and matchups meant we really limited the playbook. A six foot super-athlete like Matthews or Staley (or Stewart) can play anywhere. Full stop. Stop pretending you know what a slot is because “AP said”. That isn’t how this offense or any similar offense works. Squirrel might have limitations, but that is not true of Staley or Matthews. A 6 foot 180 guy is prime to play inside OR one of the outside positions. Another myth— Thornton didn’t get better because of a position switch. That’s more “I heard it on a podcast” gibberish. He got better because he got over an injury and started to practice. They limited his routes, as they did with the whole offense last year. He can play either position and either position well. He did so all Fall practice before he got hurt. They just decided to get his timing tight with Milton on limited routes, and they all came from that set. Next year, a healthy roster means we’ll do very well in the passing game. Our returning core is good, but I’m very excited about the new guys too. Brazzell gives us a really great options for high balls, back shoulder throws and go routes on the outside. He may not be Julio Jones, but he is a nightmare for a six foot corner. Staes is a physical mismatch in the middle and has the speed to pull a safety into dead zones. Matthews and Staley are the prototypical 6 foot 180 athletes that could play safety or WR in the NFL. You love having that body type on O. No one knows Bru’s recovery trajectory, but he is world class blocker, and plays a tough game on smaller guys. Don’t forget that Seldon is the first RB we’ve had since Kamara that lives to catch a short ball on the run. He has the hands, body and speed to make teams respect him when he releases. It’s the most promising WR room we’ve had in a very long time. Playing time is going to be tight, but what a great group.
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Agree, good post.

I will add one more comment. None of us know what is going on inside the locker room, especially with NIL $$$. Heup may be looking for depth or possibly he thinks someone may leave.

I ran into a couple of rising jrs yesterday (good kids) who currently hit the portal. It’s amazing how much of a business college football has become with coaches recruiting over existing players and players seeking NIL.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
The perception here of inside/outside positions is terribly misguided. Heupel’s O has 30+ basic route groups. Two years ago, we ran about 24 route groups. Many were designed to break cover two and man match with either Hyatt or outside 2 hitting a coverage gap. We used slot as a coverage break. At UCF, Heupel used slot to pick and cross, and ran outside guys into posts deep. Last year, over 90% of our plays came from four primary routes, outside of screens. We ran almost nothing over the middle, no flags, short flags or posts. We ran fly patterns and comebacks almost completely, except in the red zone. Heupel has always pulled routes based on talent and matchups. Last year, the blend of Milton’s skills and challenges combined with available receivers and matchups meant we really limited the playbook. A six foot super-athlete like Matthews or Staley (or Stewart) can play anywhere. Full stop. Stop pretending you know what a slot is because “AP said”. That isn’t how this offense or any similar offense works. Squirrel might have limitations, but that is not true of Staley or Matthews. A 6 foot 180 guy is prime to play inside OR one of the outside positions. Another myth— Thornton didn’t get better because of a position switch. That’s more “I heard it on a podcast” gibberish. He got better because he got over an injury and started to practice. They limited his routes, as they did with the whole offense last year. He can play either position and either position well. He did so all Fall practice before he got hurt. They just decided to get his timing tight with Milton on limited routes, and they all came from that set. Next year, a healthy roster means we’ll do very well in the passing game. Our returning core is good, but I’m very excited about the new guys too. Brazzell gives us a really great options for high balls, back shoulder throws and go routes on the outside. He may not be Julio Jones, but he is a nightmare for a six foot corner. Staes is a physical mismatch in the middle and has the speed to pull a safety into dead zones. Matthews and Staley are the prototypical 6 foot 180 athletes that could play safety or WR in the NFL. You love having that body type on O. No one knows Bru’s recovery trajectory, but he is world class blocker, and plays a tough game on smaller guys. Don’t forget that Seldon is the first RB we’ve had since Kamara that lives to catch a short ball on the run. He has the hands, body and speed to make teams respect him when he releases. It’s the most promising WR room we’ve had in a very long time. Playing time is going to be tight, but what a great group.
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PlanetVolunteer said:
It's disingenuous because you clearly have an anti-Thornton agenda and nothing can persuade you otherwise.

If you were thinking objectively you would have mentioned how much better he played once he got healthy and moved outside. After that he was no longer under performing.

You play the best players, doesn't matter if they're a transfer or HS guy.
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I have brought up stats which is being objective. He had 1 game against UK where he looked better than the rest of the season where he had 3 catches for 63 yards with the majority of that coming on the 47 yd catch and run. He went back to being essentially non-existent in his 1 half against UConn then he certainly had a good catch against Mizzou. If you combine them his “turning the corner” was turning in an below average to average starters performance against UK below average performance against UConn and I will give him an above average performance against Mizzou due to the difficulty of the catch. Was he turning the corner vs non-existence? Yes but in reality it was around an average starters performance.

Yet we have younger guys turning in the same type of performances and they aren’t seen as turning the corner. Nimrod smoked the UK defender for his long TD. Did the guy fall down? Yes but it was after he already had smoked him off the line.

I just feel we have some development thats lacking on the Hs guys to try to bring the production out of a combine warrior and it’s not turning into much.
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
Then what are you writing Thorntons book on? You have to paint a fairy tale of potential and practice reports. Thorntons worth right now is not off of 220 yds and 1 TD of production in 10 games played it’s purely off his potential which he hasn’t lived up to in 3 yrs in college. Matthews is based off potential which IMO is higher than Thorntons and he has 4 years to capitalize on that vs. Thorntons 1. And Nimrod (RS-Frosh) was better in his time that he played vs. Thornton (JR).
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I’m not writing it on an incomplete chapter…take notes.
 
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