'19 TX WR Isaiah Neyor

[sonofUT62]

He’s not

Brooks not Willis.

 

[sjt18]

Idk how you can watch the college playoffs every year or the NFL draft and assume these players are only rated so highly because they went to Bama. Bama is going after them because they are elite. Because they are elite, they have 5*.

If there was no such thing as Rivals or 247... Bama would still employ a REAL recruiting service to evaluate players for them... and pursue elite players.

You are operating on the assumption that they find and sign them all and do so because they're 5*. The recruiting sites "cheat" by paying attention to who coaches with a proven record of pursuing the best players... pursues. It took them a while to recognize that Dabo knows talent. He fielded several great teams with elite talent before getting his first top 5 class.

If the "Bama Bump" theory were true the NFL and college football as a whole would have to be in on the scam.

No they wouldn't and it isn't a "scam". Bama and particularly Saban has a proven track record of pursuing and signing great players. It is very safe for the recruiting sites to consider that in their rankings.

Teams would have to be intentionally allowing Bama to beat them annually and the NFL would have to be intentionally selecting over rated players simply because they went to Bama. It's a nonsense conspiracy.

Except you are completely wrong in EVERYTHING you just said here. I'm not sure why you are struggling with this concept so much. Bama wins because Saban knows and signs talent.... not because he chases guys that 247 says are 5*. If the consumer recruiting sites did not exist... Saban would still find and sign great talent. If Saban did not exist then the recruiting sites would lose a very valuable "data point" for their evaluations.

 

[peaygolf]

Brooks not Willis.

I thought I responded to a poster that inquired about Willis having passed. I just stated that he was still around

 

[sjt18]

BTW, using the NFL as a measuring stick. The recruiting sites are wrong about 30-40% of the guys they give 5*. They're wrong about 60-80% of the guys they give 4*. And in any given draft... about half the guys taken will have been rated 3* or less.

 

[sonofUT62]

I thought I responded to a poster that inquired about Willis having passed. I just stated that he was still around

You probably did. The thread got a little “Who’s on First” for a minute.

 

[Vol8188]

If there was no such thing as Rivals or 247... Bama would still employ a REAL recruiting service to evaluate players for them... and pursue elite players.

You are operating on the assumption that they find and sign them all and do so because they're 5*. The recruiting sites "cheat" by paying attention to who coaches with a proven record of pursuing the best players... pursues. It took them a while to recognize that Dabo knows talent. He fielded several great teams with elite talent before getting his first top 5 class.

No they wouldn't and it isn't a "scam". Bama and particularly Saban has a proven track record of pursuing and signing great players. It is very safe for the recruiting sites to consider that in their rankings.


Except you are completely wrong in EVERYTHING you just said here. I'm not sure why you are struggling with this concept so much. Bama wins because Saban knows and signs talent.... not because he chases guys that 247 says are 5*. If the consumer recruiting sites did not exist... Saban would still find and sign great talent. If Saban did not exist then the recruiting sites would lose a very valuable "data point" for their evaluations.

No one is claiming Bama just goes after whoever 247 likes. I’m claiming they arrive at the same opinion independently. Just like how the nfl arrives at the same opinion.

In a post saban world, the recruiting sites will be fine. The Bama bump is in your head.

 

[Vol8188]

BTW, using the NFL as a measuring stick. The recruiting sites are wrong about 30-40% of the guys they give 5*. They're wrong about 60-80% of the guys they give 4*. And in any given draft... about half the guys taken will have been rated 3* or less.

This is hard to even take serious. There’s only about 30 (35 I believe) 5* guys in any recruiting class. There’s hundreds of 3* guys. You should math better

Edit: I under estimated. There’s over 1000 3* players every year

 

[Vol8188]

BTW, using the NFL as a measuring stick. The recruiting sites are wrong about 30-40% of the guys they give 5*. They're wrong about 60-80% of the guys they give 4*. And in any given draft... about half the guys taken will have been rated 3* or less.

Idk how anyone could fail to understand this unless it’s just willful ignorance.

How recruiting rankings fare projecting future NFL Draft picks

 

[sjt18]

No one is claiming Bama just goes after whoever 247 likes. I’m claiming they arrive at the same opinion independently. Just like how the nfl arrives at the same opinion.

But they don't. The recruiting sites have nowhere NEAR enough staff to evaluate 6,000 or so kids who will sign to play football somewhere each year. If every school signs 24 then over 3,200 kids will sign FBS each year. The recruiting sites neither have the skill nor the time to accurately evaluate them all. That's why they miss as much as they do... AND why they rely heavily on which programs are recruiting which players.

In a post saban world, the recruiting sites will be fine. The Bama bump is in your head.

In the post Saban world... they'll watch Smart and others.... just like they watched Fulmer et al before Saban.

 

[sjt18]

This is hard to even take serious. There’s only about 30 (35 I believe) 5* guys in any recruiting class. There’s hundreds of 3* guys. You should math better

Edit: I under estimated. There’s over 1000 3* players every year

Just because you apparently will not or cannot understand... doesn't make it non "serious". They miss more guys with the talent to play in the NFL than they accurately identify. That's a simple, unassailable FACT. The number of 3* has no relevance to that point. In fact, the recruiting sites limit the number of 5* and 4* ratings they give to cover the massive number of misses. If they were what you think they are then there wouldn't be any artificial limits. If a particular year had 100 guys with 5* talent... they'd award 100 5* ratings. If the next year had only 15 then they'd award 15.

 

[Sudden Impact]

BTW, using the NFL as a measuring stick. The recruiting sites are wrong about 30-40% of the guys they give 5*. They're wrong about 60-80% of the guys they give 4*. And in any given draft... about half the guys taken will have been rated 3* or less.

Thank you for stating the truth.
There are how many HS kids playing ball 75000.and the Agencies rate the top 3000 per class.
Potentially thousands could be missed. \
Some evaluations overrated and some underrated.
NIL is going to have a bias twist on this as well. with handlers and agents
ON3 NIL Ratings and Valuations. https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100
Trust the Coach evaluations is what we got......

 

[Vol8188]

Thank you for stating the truth.
There are how many HS kids playing ball 75000.and the Agencies rate the top 3000 per class.
Potentially thousands could be missed. \
Some evaluations overrated and some underrated.
NIL is going to have a bias twist on this as well. with handlers and agents
ON3 NIL Ratings and Valuations. https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100
Trust the Coach evaluations is what we got......

The recruiting rankings seem to be more important than any single coach in terms of predicting success.

 

[vettefool]

BTW, using the NFL as a measuring stick. The recruiting sites are wrong about 30-40% of the guys they give 5*. They're wrong about 60-80% of the guys they give 4*. And in any given draft... about half the guys taken will have been rated 3* or less.

Well you should be over the moon without recent recruiting.

 

[Vol8188]

Just because you apparently will not or cannot understand... doesn't make it non "serious". They miss more guys with the talent to play in the NFL than they accurately identify. That's a simple, unassailable FACT. The number of 3* has no relevance to that point. In fact, the recruiting sites limit the number of 5* and 4* ratings they give to cover the massive number of misses. If they were what you think they are then there wouldn't be any artificial limits. If a particular year had 100 guys with 5* talent... they'd award 100 5* ratings. If the next year had only 15 then they'd award 15.

The number of 3*'s has great relevance. If there's over a thousand of them and only 30 some 5*s of course more 3 stars will be drafted. That doesn't mean the recruiting services "missed". 5* players have the greatest chance of being drafted. They have the greatest chance of going in the first round. 4* players are second and 3* are third. That's a sign of a system that is working.

Lol they limit the number of 4 and 5 * players to cover the massive number of misses. You're going full blown NASA works for Satan level conspiracy theory on this.

 

[utvolmaniac]

Y’all acting like a 2 star is the next Randy Moss. Sigh.

And the first pick in the 2013 NFL draft was:

 

[NighthawkVol]

If there was no such thing as Rivals or 247... Bama would still employ a REAL recruiting service to evaluate players for them... and pursue elite players.

You are operating on the assumption that they find and sign them all and do so because they're 5*. The recruiting sites "cheat" by paying attention to who coaches with a proven record of pursuing the best players... pursues. It took them a while to recognize that Dabo knows talent. He fielded several great teams with elite talent before getting his first top 5 class.

No they wouldn't and it isn't a "scam". Bama and particularly Saban has a proven track record of pursuing and signing great players. It is very safe for the recruiting sites to consider that in their rankings.


Except you are completely wrong in EVERYTHING you just said here. I'm not sure why you are struggling with this concept so much. Bama wins because Saban knows and signs talent.... not because he chases guys that 247 says are 5*. If the consumer recruiting sites did not exist... Saban would still find and sign great talent. If Saban did not exist then the recruiting sites would lose a very valuable "data point" for their evaluations.

Nailed it.

 

[Sudden Impact]

The recruiting rankings seem to be more important than any single coach in terms of predicting success.

To the Fans but not the Coaches
Stentson Bennett says hello. A Great Athlete in several sports. 2* or 3* walk-on and given zero chance last year or this year until....you know the rest of the story.
Will he play in the NFL more than likely he will not, NIL or Zero....but you can give the NC Trophy to him because his ability to learn and adjust from his mistakes in the first game against Alabama

 

[Vol8188]

And the first pick in the 2013 NFL draft was:

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I'm pretty sure they still regret that one.

 

[Vol8188]

To the Fans but not the Coaches
Stentson Bennett says hello. A Great Athlete in several sports. 2* or 3* walk-on and given zero chance last year or this year until....you know the rest of the story.
Will he play in the NFL more than likely he will not, NIL or Zero....but you can give the NC Trophy to him because his ability to learn and adjust from his mistakes in the first game against Alabama

You're finding the exceptions and pretending those are the rule. Go back and look at the Elite 11 QB classes and you'll find a much higher % of great QBs than you will looking at 2 and 3* players.

 

[DaddyChad]

The number of 3*'s has great relevance. If there's over a thousand of them and only 30 some 5*s of course more 3 stars will be drafted. That doesn't mean the recruiting services "missed". 5* players have the greatest chance of being drafted. They have the greatest chance of going in the first round. 4* players are second and 3* are third. That's a sign of a system that is working.

Lol they limit the number of 4 and 5 * players to cover the massive number of misses. You're going full blown NASA works for Satan level conspiracy theory on this.

It’s a flawed system but a decent one. Honestly recruiting services kind of bake in the programs which offer and if those programs have a history of success in placing kids in nfl. Bama recruits get a bump but those bumps are justified given Bama’s ability to get kids to the pros.

 

[Vol8188]

When was the last time the Elite 11 failed to have at least 1 of their QB's drafted in the first round? I'll wait while you go back over a decade.

 

[Sudden Impact]

The recruiting rankings seem to be more important than any single coach in terms of predicting success.

Bottom Line is that Coaches look at other Coaches recruiting and offers to find diamonds in the Rough. What's more once two or three schools start making offers the Recruiting Services start evaluating a players rating. It is all about the buzz. IOW, they Poach....

 

[butchna]

I'm pretty sure they still regret that one.

8 year stalwart on the blindside who made the Pro Bowl 2/3 last seasons. Not your classic bust.

 

[Vol8188]

It’s a flawed system but a decent one. Honestly recruiting services kind of bake in the programs which offer and if those programs have a history of success in placing kids in nfl. Bama recruits get a bump but those bumps are justified given Bama’s ability to get kids to the pros.

I agree it's not a perfect system. But I'm also not of the mindset that you get a 5* because Bama wanted you. There's countless reasons to realize that's false. The fact that Bama doesn't sign 25 5*s, the fact that Bama's highest rated recruits are disproportionately their best players, the fact that they're drafted high, the fact that they continually win.

 

[Vol8188]

8 year stalwart on the blindside who made the Pro Bowl 2/3 last seasons. Not your classic bust.

He's been above average and it took him what 6 years to make a pro bowl? I don't think that's what anyone is hoping for in the number 1 pick. Granted that was a bad draft class in general.