Tyler Bray: "I may have stayed at TN, if I known that I wouldn't be drafted"

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PimpVol said:
As ignorant as the people who thought Bray was a high draft choice (or a draft choice at all) with those dominant performances against....... against...... sorry I forgot. :lol: :eek:lol:
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Tyler had solid performances against Florida, UGA and USC, wasn't his fault the defense sucked about as bad as a defense could possibly suck. Did he have some bad plays here and there? Sure, but if our D was just a little bit better, Tyler wouldn't have had to been playing catch against those top teams. The reason Tyler wasn't drafted wasn't because of his ability. All between the ears.
 
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VolBraniac said:
Bray MAY have returned and Bray MAY have found himself sitting on his ass on the bench.
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SIGH! He said if he knew he wouldn't get drafted he may have stayed. If he knew he wouldn't get drafted, he likely would have figured out why as well as being grossly humbled--and stayed. If he figured out why, he would have changed the factors that made him undesired as a draftee--and stayed.

Some people have to be knocked hard upside the head before they pay attention or learn anything. Bray was obviously full of himself and he's not alone in this as many young folks are. Some are too dense to ever, I mean EVER realize it even afterl the head knock I mentioned. So, he would have listened to the new coach and developed into a QB student who prepped for games and become a team player. He would have tuned down the on and off field antics that resulted in his lowered draft status. He isn't the first nor will be the last such player who makes such mistakes. We've had our share: Rogan and Sentimore being recent examples.

Is it so hard to set aside the Bray hatred and really hope for the best for Tyler? As well as giving the benefit of doubt about finally understanding and learning from the fact that his being an ass of sorts if why he is in the situation he's in?
 
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VolMaster14 said:
Tyler had solid performances against Florida, UGA and USC, wasn't his fault the defense sucked about as bad as a defense could possibly suck. Did he have some bad plays here and there? Sure, but if our D was just a little bit better, Tyler wouldn't have had to been playing catch against those top teams. The reason Tyler wasn't drafted wasn't because of his ability. All between the ears.
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Excuse train coming, clear the tracks.
Defense has nothing to do with drafting a qb. At all. Looks silly to even suggest such. West Va's d was just as bad. Where did GS get drafted? Excuses, excuses. And what good is ability with no brains? And is his lack of brains Dooley's fault? Lmao...
 
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Maybe this will take that silver spoon out of his mouth and make him realize that he actually has to work hard to achieve his goals.
 
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GAVol said:
That they didn't want to use a draft pick on him . . . which doesn't necessarily equate to what his numbers may have been in 2013.
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Exactly. Then when the draft was over his dad said the phone rang off the hook with teams wanting him. Owners/GMs talk and they knew he was probably going UD and knew they could steal him as a FA.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
They said he had the best arm in the draft and possibly the most upside. All teams said he shat the bed in his interviews and they were worried about character, not talent.
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He has an excellent arm. Which his bad mechanics and footwork rarely allowed him to display. Maybe the light comes on now that he is getting paid instead of languishing at the U of T (where making a bowl was not paramount, at least to Bray anyway). But by then, will I care anymore?

And it is never a coaches fault that you do not give your best. It is summarily yours. Always.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
Exactly. Then when the draft was over his dad said the phone rang off the hook with teams wanting him. Owners/GMs talk and they knew he was probably going UD and knew they could steal him as a FA.
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Is this your attempt at spinning the draft debacle in a good light?
 
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PimpVol said:
Excuse train coming, clear the tracks.
Defense has nothing to do with drafting a qb. At all. Looks silly to even suggest such. West Va's d was just as bad. Where did GS get drafted? Excuses, excuses. And what good is ability with no brains? And is his lack of brains Dooley's fault? Lmao...
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I wasn't using defense as an excuse for not getting drafted. I was referring to his performances in games last season and not having a defense. Ya know, when YOU said he didn't have any great performances last season. That's what I was answering. Learn to read a bit more carefully. Or slow up on smoking your avi.
 
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PimpVol said:
He has an excellent arm. Which his bad mechanics and footwork rarely allowed him to display. Maybe the light comes on now that he is getting paid instead of languishing at the U of T (where making a bowl was not paramount, at least to Bray anyway). But by then, will I care anymore?

And it is never a coaches fault that you do not give your best. It is summarily yours. Always.
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It's definitely Tyler's fault for not doing everything he could. It's also the coach's fault for fostering an atmosphere where a player could give less than 100% and get away with it.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
I wasn't using defense as an excuse for not getting drafted. I was referring to his performances in games last season and not having a defense. Ya know, when YOU said he didn't have any great performances last season. That's what I was answering. Learn to read a bit more carefully. Or slow up on smoking your avi.
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His perfomance, or lack therof, is why he was not drafted. The only games he performed well in were non important. He made serious blunders in every big game. The scouts saw it. Don't know how you did not. Guess you need to smoke some...
 
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I still think in a few years, we will all look back at this and say that Bray made the best decision for all parties involved. For himself because he was going to be a fish out of water if they tried to force him into the spread option offense, and for UT because changing their offense to suit his skills would have delayed Jones putting his stuff in by a full year. There really wasn't a win-win scenario in which Bray could have remained here, so IMO, it was best that he simply moved on.
 
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GAVol said:
It's definitely Tyler's fault for not doing everything he could. It's also the coach's fault for fostering an atmosphere where a player could give less than 100% and get away with it.
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Like a "split-blame" sort of situation huh? If you say so. All's well that ends well. He came to school to play pro ball. He is playing pro ball. Mission was a success.
 
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PimpVol said:
Is this your attempt at spinning the draft debacle in a good light?
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No its attempt to educate you the way the draft works. Teams are constantly on the phone with other teams. When they are pretty sure a player is going UD, they will not waste a draft pick on him and take their chances on getting him as an UDFA.
 
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PimpVol said:
His perfomance, or lack therof, is why he was not drafted. The only games he performed well in were non important. He made serious blunders in every big game. The scouts saw it. Don't know how you did not. Guess you need to smoke some...
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This is just flat-out inaccurate. ALL the talent evaluators at espn had Bray as a mid-late round draft pick. They were basing that on his game film. What they didn't have access to were his interviews leading up to the draft. It would have to be those that caused him not to be drafted, because simply based on his performance and film, EVERYONE thought he would be drafted sooner or later.
 
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PimpVol said:
Like a "split-blame" sort of situation huh? If you say so. All's well that ends well. He came to school to play pro ball. He is playing pro ball. Mission was a success.
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I love how you endlessly try and absolve Dooley of any blame in this case, as if playing for a competent coach that had one iota of motivational ability and wasn't viewed as a joke by his players wouldn't have inspired more effort and subsequent success by Bray.
 
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“I made a lot of mistakes at Tennessee,’’ said Bray, who wouldn’t elaborate. “I had a lot of off the field issues and that could have had something to do with it."


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hillccs said:
I think the true issue that will always haunt TN is he participated in a poison that was going through TN and showed a low football IQ. This was not Chaney's fault, see other players he coached. This was Bray's fault and if he makes it in the NFL and even does well, that to me as strictly a TN fan shows me he and the team could have done much better than they did
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This is ridiculous. Blame the 18-21 kid. Cheney may have coached other successful players (you likely want to reference Brees), but did he do it with Dooley or Kiffin as his HC? Or how about Hamilton as his AD? Anyone who can look back objectively realizes that TN football was toxic from the top down (and I would argue that it starts with the booger eater).

Even if Bray INTENTIONALLY threw a few games, in reality he did TN a FAVOR. It resulted in Dooley's firing. He gave us the reasons needed to cut out the cancer.

But no, go ahead and blame the kid.
 
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PimpVol said:
Like a "split-blame" sort of situation huh? If you say so. All's well that ends well. He came to school to play pro ball. He is playing pro ball. Mission was a success.
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I don't think it's really a split blame as much as lazy kid falling into a situation where he would unfortunately be tolerated. It's still his own fault, but I have a hard time believing that he'd have turned out the exact same if he had played for Nick Saban, Mark Richt or Steve Spurrier.
 
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Hopefully, that kick in the ass is what it takes.

Going undrafted worked out pretty well for Foster and Vontaze Burfict last year.
 
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