Tyler Summitt resigns

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tnburban said:
Yep. But many around here think he should get a pass because they were close in age and his last name.

Can't wait to hear Mickey tomorrow morning. I'm sure that him and Heather will come up will all sorts of excuses that we haven't even thought of.
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Haven't seen anyone excuse what took place. Many have simply argued, me included, that she wasn't a victim and it wasn't the case of a superior weilding his power.
 
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BruinVol said:
Surely common sense shows us a huge difference
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To me Pitino is scum. If Summitt did/does anything to that degree he'd be in the same boat. But it wouldn't be up to me. It's up to the media and how they would want to portray him. Summitt is a blue blood like Pitino. If the media and/or NCAA want someone gone it will happen. If not they stay around.
 
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tnburban said:
I am far from being a liberal, but Tyler should have known better. As I've said before, he had two things she needed/wanted - a scholarship and playing time. Maybe she played him for both of them, and maybe he is the victim if he got played, but as a person with authority he needed to walk away from it and not put himself in a position to A) get played, or B) play her
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You fail to acknowledge she willingly transferred with him to LA Tech. That changes things immensely. What reason would she have to transfer not on her own accord and what power does he have over her to force the transfer?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
You fail to acknowledge she willingly transferred with him to LA Tech. That changes things immensely. What reason would she have to transfer not on her own accord and what power does he have over her to force the transfer?
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You are assuming a sexual relationship was happening at Marquette

Not sure how any of us would know
 
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vol-un-tear said:
So far he's owned up. Everyone makes mistakes. He will lean and grow. He will pay for it now and hopefully it will make him better. Not judging this one.
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I have respect for a man who totally owns up to his mistakes, doesn't blame others or circumstances, and takes responsibility that includes real penalty. Tyler did that and I give him credit for it. Not many in this day and age are capable of doing all three.
 
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HoptownVol said:
No, I'm just not a mentally ill millenial that see's every story with a victim and a predator.
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Millennial (two n's).

Amazing powers you have to induce the ages and mental statuses of Vol nation posters.

What you are not comprehending is that this issue is not a matter of opinion. Tyler resigned due to an "inappropriate relationship." Let's parse that legalistic phrase. If he had an affair with someone unaffiliated with the athletic department, this would most likely have been a personal matter. But when a coach is banging one his athletes (for whom he has an institutional responsibility, similar to that between a professor and student) that activity is a violation of University code of conduct policies, many of which are precautions against sexual harassment law suits.
 
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livefaith said:
I have respect for a man who totally owns up to his mistakes, doesn't blame others or circumstances, and takes responsibility that includes real penalty. Tyler did that and I give him credit for it. Not many in this day and age are capable of doing all three.
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You think he owns up to this if she wasn't PG?
 
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yoyoyoyo said:
To me Pitino is scum. If Summitt did/does anything to that degree he'd be in the same boat. But it wouldn't be up to me. It's up to the media and how they would want to portray him. Summitt is a blue blood like Pitino. If the media and/or NCAA want someone gone it will happen. If not they stay around.
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Pitino is the anti-Tyler Summit in this situation. He holds his position based on his political leanings. Otherwise the corrupt media would have forced him out.
 
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No one is mentioning the real victim here, Tyler's wife. I'm disappointed and disillusioned for her and Pat. As a former Tyler fan and supporter this is devastating news. I know he grew up being enamored with female athletes, but his self-touted religious beliefs make this a hard pill to swallow. Live by the sword, die by the sword. God is Tyler's ultimate judge and jury, but Pat's boy has forever thrown an ugly wrench into what "may" have been a great career.

We all must be careful with our words and declarations. This is not a liberal vs conservative political agenda with a vote pending; it's real life with broken hearts and crushed dreams.

The men in Pat's life sure have been, shall we say, less than admirable. Her father had major issues even being able to verbalize his love for her. The husband cheated blatantly. Now the son follows in the father's footsteps.

Unreal, unwarranted and unnecessary. No wonder 60 percent of all marriages in this country end in divorce. Monogamy is dying. Long live everlasting love!
 
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BruinVol said:
You think he owns up to this if she wasn't PG?
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PG?

I'm just going off his statement of resignation. Not defending or commenting on his admitted moral failures in any way.

But, once the man got exposed, he verbally and per$onally accepted responsibility. Most are capable of the first, but few accept the latter. Not that he had any choice in the latter.
 
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madtownvol said:
Millennial (two n's).

Amazing powers you have to induce the ages and mental statuses of Vol nation posters.

What you are not comprehending is that this issue is not a matter of opinion. Tyler resigned due to an "inappropriate relationship." Let's parse that legalistic phrase. If he had an affair with someone unaffiliated with the athletic department, this would most likely have been a personal matter. But when a coach is banging one his athletes (for whom he has an institutional responsibility, similar to that between a professor and student) that activity is a violation of University code of conduct policies, many of which are precautions against sexual harassment law suits.
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There's a difference between a student forced to have relations with a professor because he's threatening to fail her vs. a student who willingly engages in a relationship with a professor because she likes him and is willing to take the risk.

One is a victim, one is not. Not saying that the player is or isn't a victim, but there isn't enough information out there to make a judgment call...especially if it was going on while both were at Marquette.

I think you will find very few who think he 100% deserves to be fired and probably never be allowed to coach women's basketball again. But the "victim" proclamation is still premature at this point. Once the facts come out, then the labels can be applied.
 
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livefaith said:
PG?

I'm just going off his statement of resignation. Not defending or commenting on his admitted moral failures in any way.

But, once the man got exposed, he verbally and per$onally accepted responsibility. Most are capable of the first, but few accept the latter. Not that he had any choice in the latter.
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Pregnant


Can't applaud someone for coming clean when it appears they had zero choice because they were caught red handed
 
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BruinVol said:
You think he owns up to this if she wasn't PG?
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PG?

I'm just going off his statement of resignation. Not defending or commenting on his admitted moral failures in any way.

But, once the man got exposed, he verbally and per$onally accepted responsibility. Most are capable of the first, but few accept the latter. Not that he had any choice in the latter.

This failure is going to follow him for the rest of his life in one way or another. I'm not talking public life either. He has a wife, future children, a family, and career to work out for many years to come. I've walked through this type situation with several families, and it's very difficult and very ongoing for years and years. He and his family can overcome, but not without relentless dedication to victory concerning one another.

If Tyler is posturing himself in private in the same manner in which he speaks in his press release, then he's off to the right start. If he speaks with forked tongue to the public and acts another way privately, then he can expect a lot of pain and difficult in his future.
 
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If it was happening at Marquette then she was 18 or 19 years old when it started, which means she was likely significantly less mature, and he while also younger, was either newly married or pre-marriage, which makes his behavior stranger still.

We are all speculating and will likely never get the whole story, but if you're wondering why a victim might follow an abuser around the country look up 'codependency'.

And thinking of the player as the aggressor in a situation where you claim a relationship started at one university and could only be continued by him offering a scholarship when he moved to a new school is a little hard to work out.

And ... I wasn't really aware of the fact that he got two of his former players to transfer when he took a new job, but don't we generally consider that behavior to be unethical for coaches. I am surprised that wasn't brought up before.
 
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BruinVol said:
Pregnant


Can't applaud someone for coming clean when it appears they had zero choice because they were caught red handed
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Has the girl or TS confirmed the pregnancy? If not, you're running with rumors as much as as those who are discussing it going on at Marquette. You called me out for doing that.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Has the girl or TS confirmed the pregnancy? If not, you're running with rumors as much as as those who are discussing it going on at Marquette. You called me out for doing that.
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There is a report out there saying it's true

Not sure how accurate
 
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Amb3096 said:
There's a difference between a student forced to have relations with a professor because he's threatening to fail her vs. a student who willingly engages in a relationship with a professor because she likes him and is willing to take the risk.

One is a victim, one is not. Not saying that the player is or isn't a victim, but there isn't enough information out there to make a judgment call...especially if it was going on while both were at Marquette.

I think you will find very few who think he 100% deserves to be fired and probably never be allowed to coach women's basketball again. But the "victim" proclamation is still premature at this point. Once the facts come out, then the labels can be applied.
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Let's not conflate a desire to support Tyler with the legal circumstances. In this case, consent does not matter one whit.

I am a college professor. If I had a sexual relation with A STUDENT IN MY CLASS OR UNDER MY SUPERVISION, I would be subject to disciplinary action, including dismissal. Do you understand? This action is a violation of code of conduct policies; you simply can't do it within the regulations that govern faculty behaviors, unless you are very good at keeping completely secret. Once it is known, consenting or not consenting, it is a violation.

These codes are written with the assumption that there is a power discrepancy between faculty and students or coaches and athletes. Tyler had to know the code of conduct policies because that is a part of one's institutional training. In effect, he broke the rules, took the risk, and is now paying the consequences.

Now, in the future, a University who would be looking at Tyler for a coaching spot has to ask: do we trust someone who has violated one of the most important axioms of University code of conduct policies (official)? and who did so while married (a subjective and moralistic assessment that is bound to be made at least some institutions and to be a concern among alumni).

I appreciate the motivation for the counterarguments seeking to defend Tyler Summitt's besieged reputation. In effect, this is Tyler Summitt, Pat's son! We know he is a good guy who would not do a bad thing; if Tyler had an affair it, it must have been a justifiable situation, somehow, someway, just because....

Well, let's put aside the issue of his being married and cheating on his wife; If we just take that small matter out of the equation, then it is very possible Tyler can still be a good guy if both parties were consenting adults, right?

NO, not in his role as coach!! He had a institutional responsibility to maintain a professional relationship with his athletes. He violated a trust that came with his position. If he did not want that responsibility, then he should have not taken the job.

Let me ask you this. if this were Geno A. in similar circumstances, would you be defending him?
 
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Voldon18 said:
No one is mentioning the real victim here, Tyler's wife. I'm disappointed and disillusioned for her and Pat. As a former Tyler fan and supporter this is devastating news. I know he grew up being enamored with female athletes, but his self-touted religious beliefs make this a hard pill to swallow. Live by the sword, die by the sword. God is Tyler's ultimate judge and jury, but Pat's boy has forever thrown an ugly wrench into what "may" have been a great career.

We all must be careful with our words and declarations. This is not a liberal vs conservative political agenda with a vote pending; it's real life with broken hearts and crushed dreams.

The men in Pat's life sure have been, shall we say, less than admirable. Her father had major issues even being able to verbalize his love for her. The husband cheated blatantly. Now the son follows in the father's footsteps.

Unreal, unwarranted and unnecessary. No wonder 60 percent of all marriages in this country end in divorce. Monogamy is dying. Long live everlasting love!
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Tyler referred to her in his resignation. Just sayin'.
 
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