Unemployment Benefits

[JTrainDavis]

amazing how many of us have remained employed consistantly our entire lives (including hs and college). must be lucky right?

Before you get snarky, After i got my diploma, I worked in a trade for a year. Then I went and did a job a guy like you doesn't have a hair on their ass to do for 4 years. I took 2 weeks off, then worked for 7 years straight. Pat yourself on your back all you want, dude. I hope you feel important.

 

[droski]

make yourself invaluable and you don't get laid off. if your company goes bankrupt than sure, but if you are one of the few laid off you need to ask yourself why.

 

[VolGal423]

I know everyone hates people who collect unemployment, but hear me. I was laid off from a construction foreman job that has given me anywhere from 65-85k a year depending on workload, since I left the Army in 2003. I haven't worked since Labor Day, and can't get a job at the Home ****ing Depot. It's that bad.

So I collect my $537 a week, which keeps the mortgage paid, lights on, and oil tank somewhat filled. Don't feel bad for me, but walk a ****ing mile in my shoes before you piss and moan.

Exactly. Don't judge people until you've been there. Good luck, man! I know how it is.
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[VolGal423]

amazing how many of us have remained employed consistantly our entire lives (including hs and college). must be lucky right?

I pray you never have to experience what it's like to be jobless.
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[droski]

I would say fortunate. Do you have no compassion/empathy? I know people scam the system. I'm not naive, but there is a bunch of hard-working decent people that are the victims of others' decisions.

Droski, I like you. I enjoy chatting with you. However, your lack of understanding and unwillingness to see things from any other perspective other than your own, is not your most redeeming qualities.

you can be hard working and decent and still have it be your fault you are unemployed.

Before you get snarky, After i got my diploma, I worked in a trade for a year. Then I went and did a job a guy like you doesn't have a hair on their ass to do for 4 years. I took 2 weeks off, then worked for 7 years straight. Pat yourself on your back all you want, dude. I hope you feel important.

not feeling important. i feel for ya. just don't tell me you not finding work isn't part your fault. that's bs.

 

[JTrainDavis]

make yourself invaluable and you don't get laid off. if your company goes bankrupt than sure, but if you are one of the few laid off you need to ask yourself why.

Going from 45 to 7 makes me a ****bag? really?

 

[droski]

I pray you never have to experience what it's like to be jobless.
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people who generate revenue don't become jobless. 1/3 of my office has been layed off. somehow i've survived. luck again right?

 

[DC Vol]

I would say fortunate. Do you have no compassion/empathy? I know people scam the system. I'm not naive, but there is a bunch of hard-working decent people that are the victims of others' decisions.

Droski, I like you. I enjoy chatting with you. However, your lack of understanding and unwillingness to see things from any other perspective other than your own, is not your most redeeming qualities.

You just described a good amount of the /politics board and most of mankind for that matter.

 

[BearCat204]

people who generate revenue don't become jobless. 1/3 of my office has been layed off. somehow i've survived. luck again right?

What happens when you arent able to generate that revenue for whatever reason? I just think that the program is important to have. Notice I didnt say that it should be abused which is a point I think we all agree on.

 

[JayVols]

make yourself invaluable and you don't get laid off. if your company goes bankrupt than sure, but if you are one of the few laid off you need to ask yourself why.

I guess you are infallible then. No reasoning with someone who has all the answers like you think you do on this one. I hope you don't have to go through what millions of other hard working people have had to endure. I guess they just don't have the 'it' factor in regards to making themselves invaluable like you do.

Be careful of your attitude or what you say. Fate, karma, whatever you want to call it, has a way of bringing the high and mighty down a notch.

JTrain, hang in there brother. I will add you to my family's prayers. Once again, good luck to you.:good!:

 

[droski]

Going from 45 to 7 makes me a ****bag? really?

never said anything of the sort.

 

[JTrainDavis]

people who generate revenue don't become jobless. 1/3 of my office has been layed off. somehow i've survived. luck again right?

I like your views, droski, you know that, but to call out someone who's company got mired in ****, who is collecting unemployment and trapping fur to pick up loose ends, as being a serial system user, is using too big of a brush

 

[droski]

I guess you are infallible then. No reasoning with someone who has all the answers like you think you do on this one. I hope you don't have to go through what millions of other hard working people have had to endure. I guess they just don't have the 'it' factor in regards to making themselves invaluable like you do.

Be careful of your attitude or what you say. Fate, karma, whatever you want to call it, has a way of bringing the high and mighty down a notch.

JTrain, hang in there brother. I will add you to my family's prayers. Once again, good luck to you.:good!:

not infallable in the slightest. if i get laid off i surely will look at myself and ask why.

 

[droski]

I like your views, droski, you know that, but to call out someone who's company got mired in ****, who is collecting unemployment and trapping fur to pick up loose ends, as being a serial system user, is using too big of a brush

never said anything of the sort. in your situation i probably wouldn't move either, but that's my point. unemployment insurance delays the hard decisions.

 

[sjt18]

God bless you, sir. I hope you find something very soon. You are not a bad person.

Who said he was a bad person? Who even came close? The program is bad. The program is counterproductive even to JTrain finding another $85K job because it creates a net drag on the recovery of employment.

Regardless of the opinions here, jobs are hard to come by in this economy.

Hard but nowhere near impossible. It may not be a job you want. It may not be in a place you want.

You did make me thankful for one thing though. I did not lose my job when failed economic policies were working against me finding the next one.

Too many people are very quick to call the unemployed lazy, unadaptable, unchangeable, etc. There are no simple answers in many cases such as a move or industry change. I really wonder how those that are condemning and so sure of what they would do (they KNOW they could find a job somewhere) if they lost their job.

I'm your huckleberry. I have walked that mile. I have had to live with the fact that I might lose everything financially I had spent me life building.

Now be very specific and show me someone who says they cannot find a job who has no unexplored options or who has not declared some sort of artificial standard for what kind of job they would do.

I actually like JTrain's posts alot in general. I DO sympathize with his circumstances and wish Obama's policies weren't working against him getting re-employed.

However he is drawing the equivalent of around $30K per year, right? I am willing to bet that if he dropped all preconditions concerning location or type of work that his skills could get him a $15-$20 per hour job somewhere in the country. He would become a contributor.

 

[JayVols]

Who said he was a bad person? Who even came close? The program is bad. The program is counterproductive even to JTrain finding another $85K job because it creates a net drag on the recovery of employment.

Hard but nowhere near impossible. It may not be a job you want. It may not be in a place you want.

You did make me thankful for one thing though. I did not lose my job when failed economic policies were working against me finding the next one.
I'm your huckleberry. I have walked that mile. I have had to live with the fact that I might lose everything financially I had spent me life building.

Now be very specific and show me someone who says they cannot find a job who has no unexplored options or who has not declared some sort of artificial standard for what kind of job they would do.

I actually like JTrain's posts alot in general. I DO sympathize with his circumstances and wish Obama's policies weren't working against him getting re-employed.

However he is drawing the equivalent of around $30K per year, right? I am willing to bet that if he dropped all preconditions concerning location or type of work that his skills could get him a $15-$20 per hour job somewhere in the country. He would become a contributor.

I was not making a political point. I was making a human point. Not everything is as black and white as many of you think. Have a fine evening, sir.
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[Roughneck]

people who generate revenue don't become jobless. 1/3 of my office has been layed off. somehow i've survived. luck again right?

That's BS and you know it. Unless you work for yourself your job relies on other people. One screw up by an executive could cause you to be jobless no matter how good you are at your job.

 

[droski]

That's BS and you know it. Unless you work for yourself your job relies on other people. One screw up by an executive could cause you to be jobless no matter how good you are at your job.

so one executive screws up and that means no other company wants you? once again we are talking about the longtime unemployed. once again if you are a revenue generator you can always find a job. this is what i tell guys i mentor in college. don't rely on some other guy (the salesman, rainmaker, whatever) to make sure you stay employed.

 

[superdave1984]

God bless you, sir. I hope you find something very soon. You are not a bad person. Regardless of the opinions here, jobs are hard to come by in this economy. Too many people are very quick to call the unemployed lazy, unadaptable, unchangeable, etc. There are no simple answers in many cases such as a move or industry change. I really wonder how those that are condemning and so sure of what they would do (they KNOW they could find a job somewhere) if they lost their job. Remember folks before you spout off that you have all the answers, "but by the grace of God, there go I."

Once again JTrain, good luck and keep fighting. :salute:

No, they aren't hard to come by. You just have to be willing to look and be willing to make some changes if needed. My wife's ex husband has 2 college degrees. He got let go from his job as a teacher because of his temper and inability to get to work on time. He drew unemployment for over a year. He claimed there were no teaching jobs available. He is certified to teach in Tennessee and Kentucky. According to the KYBOE website, there are currently over 300 teaching positions open in the state of KY. That's as of last week, not the beginning of the school year. To say he is lazy and has long since adopted the entitlement mentality is being kind. He simply wants an easy way to get by as many do. I feel zero pity for him. He took a job at a chicken processing plant a couple months ago because he was in danger of losing his certifications due to being way behind in child support and needed to be employed before going to court. Jobs are there, you just have to be willing to work. My guess is he will get past whatever probationary period they have there and then do something to get fired so he can get unemployment again.

 

[JayVols]

No, they aren't hard to come by. You just have to be willing to look and be willing to make some changes if needed. My wife's ex husband has 2 college degrees. He got let go from his job as a teacher because of his temper and inability to get to work on time. He drew unemployment for over a year. He claimed there were no teaching jobs available. He is certified to teach in Tennessee and Kentucky. According to the KYBOE website, there are currently over 300 teaching positions open in the state of KY. That's as of last week, not the beginning of the school year. To say he is lazy and has long since adopted the entitlement mentality is being kind. He simply wants an easy way to get by as many do. I feel zero pity for him. He took a job at a chicken processing plant a couple months ago because he was in danger of losing his certifications due to being way behind in child support and needed to be employed before going to court. Jobs are there, you just have to be willing to work. My guess is he will get past whatever probationary period they have there and then do something to get fired so he can get unemployment again.

My sympathy does not lie with those that are fired due to faults like you mentioned with the teacher. I feel for those that have lost their jobs through no fault of their own. If you can't act professionally, arrive on time consistently, or follow guidelines, I'm not sure that person should eligible for benefits.

I have a desk job. I also have a disease called multiple sclerosis. I have been diagnosed for 6 years. I am now incapable of physical labor, through no fault of my own. I still get up every day and go to work even though I could technically be eligible for social security. Government assistance would not provide me the lifestyle I wish to live. I had to adjust. I was a Defensive Coordinator for a high school for 15 years. Due to the heat, which is my worst enemy with MS, I had to give up doing what I loved. I have made tough choices that faced me due to uncontrollable circumstances. Some days I feel better than others, but I miss very few days despite being extremely fatigued, weak, and barely able to walk. My short term memory is also declining. YET I STILL GET UP AND GO TO WORK 99% of the time. I value work and the sense of satisfaction it brings. I am not advocating for those that are lazy, freeloaders, or looking for the easy way out. I am advocating for those that have been productive members of society and have contributed to our success as a country. They have paid into UE for years. IMO there is nothing wrong in looking after these individuals who find themselves in a position of no job through no fault of their own for a while.

Forgive me for having a heart (no I am NOT accusing anyone else of being heartless). I just find it troubling that freeloaders and hard working jobless people, who would rather be working, are being lumped into the same group. Do we really want to see the consequences of what will happen by cutting people who have worked their whole lives but are now jobless? I don't care what you assert, there are not enough jobs (even low paying jobs) out there to support everyone that wants a job. People will still feed their families even if it means through theft or other crimes. If my child was starving, I would find a way to feed them by any means necessary. Do we want shanty towns a la The Great Depression springing up everywhere. Too many of you think that cutting everyone off UE will result in them taking any job.. there are not enough out there for everyone. Plain and simple.

To sum it up, I am not for 'keeping up' lazy people. I am for helping those that have worked and find themselves in a bad position not from what the have done. I work despite a debilitating disease. I am no freeloader and do NOT condone those that are. I am not attacking anyone's position. I am simply asking those that may feel differently than I to consider what will really happen, outside of purely a money perspective, if draconian cuts to UE are instituted. Have a pleasant evening.
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[sjt18]

I was not making a political point. I was making a human point. Not everything is as black and white as many of you think. Have a fine evening, sir.
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Yes. Things are far, far more "black and white" than what you seem to think.

I didn't want to move my family 900 miles from the nearest relative but did. Why should my taxes go to pay for someone who refuses for 99 weeks to make a tough choice like I had to make?

 

[JayVols]

Yes. Things are far, far more "black and white" than what you seem to think.

I didn't want to move my family 900 miles from the nearest relative but did. Why should my taxes go to pay for someone who refuses for 99 weeks to make a tough choice like I had to make?

I am no stranger to tough choices. Read my previous post. I may be wrong in doing so, but I choose to have a generally positive feeling towards most of my fellow man. We will agree to disagree on this. Have a good one.
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[sjt18]

I am no stranger to tough choices. Read my previous post. I may be wrong in doing so, but I choose to have a generally positive feeling towards most of my fellow man. We will agree to disagree on this. Have a good one.
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You express a great attitude and fortitude. You are certainly to be commended for everything you posted up to the point where you suggested moral superiority for having a "heart". One can have a "heart" and not believe that someone should be paid while refusing to make tough choices for almost two years.

I have dealt with problems and taken steps back before going forward. Lord knows you have. It is part of life and it is WRONG from both a pragmatic and moral pov for gov't to interfere in those difficult, painful, but necessary choices.

That trait of a free market economy to spread not only wealth but pain is part of what makes the system the best mankind has ever found for lifting EVERYONE.

I have a "generally positive" view of my fellow man but not quite so much when he is being negatively motivated to do things that harm him, me, and the society/economy that we share.

 

[JayVols]

You express a great attitude and fortitude. You are certainly to be commended for everything you posted up to the point where you suggested moral superiority for having a "heart". One can have a "heart" and not believe that someone should be paid while refusing to make tough choices for almost two years.

I have dealt with problems and taken steps back before going forward. Lord knows you have. It is part of life and it is WRONG from both a pragmatic and moral pov for gov't to interfere in those difficult, painful, but necessary choices.

That trait of a free market economy to spread not only wealth but pain is part of what makes the system the best mankind has ever found for lifting EVERYONE.

I have a "generally positive" view of my fellow man but not quite so much when he is being negatively motivated to do things that harm him, me, and the society/economy that we share.

I expressly stated I wasn't insinuating others didn't have a heart. It truly wasn't my intention to attempt to be morally superior. It was perhaps a poor way to express how I feel.

I have done nothing special. I am simply following my father's exemplary example in living with MS. He lived with the disease for 17 years and was the most positive example in the face of adversity I have ever personally witnessed. I guess my mile wide stubborn streak doesn't hurt either.

I sincerly wish you and your family a blessed Christmas season.
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[sjt18]

I have done nothing special. I am simply following my father's exemplary example in living with MS. He lived with the disease for 17 years and was the most positive example in the face of adversity I have ever personally witnessed. I guess my mile wide stubborn streak doesn't hurt either.

You ARE doing something special by leaving your own example of how to do it.

I didn't grow up in privilege so maybe I have just seen too many deadbeats leaching on the system. I have seen guys supposedly to weak to work having firewood delivered at gov't expense to their homes who would go out and split wood all day to sell to tourists. I have seen people scam to get gov't bennies... and not just a few.

OTOH, I have seen and known people like you. One guy I worked with who had MS actually died twice at work before the company was legally able to force him to quit and draw SSI.

I have a very REAL moral problem with you and your stubborn streak trekking off to work every day while someone else rides out 99 weeks of unemployment while turning down jobs that are "beneath them". Worse yet are those who are healthy but depend on gov't rather than using what God blessed them with to improve their own lives.

FWIW, we all pay unemployment insurance and as someone earlier argued there's a place for it... 8 weeks even up to 12 or 16 I can see. But 99 weeks while turning down jobs or refusing to go to where the work is?

What really bothers me is that the politicians changed the benefits in mid-stream to buy votes for themselves. And who pays? Folks like you who push through their problems, make the sacrifices, and refuse to quit because they have an ingrained sense of responsibility for themselves and their families.

I sincerly wish you and your family a blessed Christmas season.
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You and yours as well.