Unemployment Benefits

#76
#76
sjt18 said:
You ARE doing something special by leaving your own example of how to do it.

I didn't grow up in privilege so maybe I have just seen too many deadbeats leaching on the system. I have seen guys supposedly to weak to work having firewood delivered at gov't expense to their homes who would go out and split wood all day to sell to tourists. I have seen people scam to get gov't bennies... and not just a few.

OTOH, I have seen and known people like you. One guy I worked with who had MS actually died twice at work before the company was legally able to force him to quit and draw SSI.

I have a very REAL moral problem with you and your stubborn streak trekking off to work every day while someone else rides out 99 weeks of unemployment while turning down jobs that are "beneath them". Worse yet are those who are healthy but depend on gov't rather than using what God blessed them with to improve their own lives.

FWIW, we all pay unemployment insurance and as someone earlier argued there's a place for it... 8 weeks even up to 12 or 16 I can see. But 99 weeks while turning down jobs or refusing to go to where the work is?

What really bothers me is that the politicians changed the benefits in mid-stream to buy votes for themselves. And who pays? Folks like you who push through their problems, make the sacrifices, and refuse to quit because they have an ingrained sense of responsibility for themselves and their families.




You and yours as well.
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Thanks for the kind words. And I do see your points. Deadbeats boil my blood as well. I know a guy who supposedly has a bad enough back that he can't work. However, I saw him swinging a 16 lb sledge hammer like it was nothing for hours. How could anyone have such little self-respect that they refuse to meet their own needs or the needs of those that depend on them is a foreign and hateful concept to me.

I guess I just feel that out of work people are a bit different. I will say those that can get a job but refuse because it isn't exactly what they want are no better than the deadbeats who refuse to work at all.

On a different note, I seriously just saw a Chia (sp?) Commercial with new 'figures' to grow whatever it is they grow. The choices were Washington, Lincoln, and Obama. I am no hater nor great supporter of our President, but I think it's a bit presumptuous (putting it very mildly) to put Obama in that company.... nothing ceases to amaze me.
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#79
#79
JTrainDavis said:
I know everyone hates people who collect unemployment, but hear me. I was laid off from a construction foreman job that has given me anywhere from 65-85k a year depending on workload, since I left the Army in 2003. I haven't worked since Labor Day, and can't get a job at the Home ****ing Depot. It's that bad.

So I collect my $537 a week, which keeps the mortgage paid, lights on, and oil tank somewhat filled. Don't feel bad for me, but walk a ****ing mile in my shoes before you piss and moan.
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I understand. Some of my closest family members have been going thru the same thing. Majority of ppl will never understand until it happens to/ effects them. I know some ppl abuse the system, but alot of ppl truely need this help temporarily to eat/ survive. I hate it for everyone suffering...
I count my Blessings everyday! Everyone should, you just never know....
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#80
#80
droski said:
then don't complain you are unenemployed and milk the taxpayers if you aren't willing to make the hard changes.
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Not everyone wants to uproot and leave.I often wonder how many people have the skills to survive. I know my family at one time had a business and were self supporting even provided employment to others. Disagree with your philosophy . Never drew unemployment but I sure don't knock anyone that is honestly trying to make it work.
 
#82
#82
I hope it works out for you Train. I for one would love to see you with your own blog.
 
#83
#83
JTrain, you have earned the right to get a little back, in my opinion. I hope you find a good job, and soon, but if not, I don't mind you staying on for years of service + 1.

Veterans gets priority, in my book. I may be biased, though.

Thought about strapping the boots back on, or is that bridge burned and buried?

Have you looked at usajobs.gov? I think there are a few openings for DoHS (USSS). Veterans preference, and I think I saw somewhere that you were a grunt, so it could be a good bump in your direction, assuming you have 20/20 vision (standard requirement for USSS).

A resume or two on monsterjobs or whatever might not be a bad start. I had a buddy that went from a 24k job to a 56k job just by posting a resume on one of those sites. Part time supervisor at UPS to a full time warehouse manager. Wasn't a bad jump.
 
#84
#84
I'm so frustrated with my job at the moment that my college days of bartending are looking really good right now. If I didn't have a family to take care of, I might be doing it as we speak. Point being, service industry jobs are there. They for the most part offer really good pay for the hours worked, and allow time to look for a "real" job.

I honestly feel for guys on here that are having a legitimately hard time. For the worthless folk that have no intention of ever finding a job, I have zero respect for. I can't imagine being unemployed, with no motivation to remedy the situation. Call it pride or whatever, I just feel better when I contribute to something. I figure most of the guys on here that are not employed feel the same way, they are just caught in a bad situation right now.
 
#85
#85
You guys do realize that unless you own a business the FUTA does not come out of your paycheck. It is paid for by the employer. Does the FUTA dictate what you will make in the end to a certain degree when the owner is working the cashflow reports? Yes. But the tax does not come out of your check directly. It is paid for by the owner.
 
#87
#87
My county has the highest unemployment rate in the state. It is just a bad situlation right now.
 
#88
#88
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
You guys do realize that unless you own a business the FUTA does not come out of your paycheck. It is paid for by the employer. Does the FUTA dictate what you will make in the end to a certain degree when the owner is working the cashflow reports? Yes. But the tax does not come out of your check directly. It is paid for by the owner.
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Really?? I had no idea:crazy: Let me guess, now you are going to tell us that we have no right to discuss unemployment benefits or taxes because we dont own a business.
 
#89
#89
rjd970 said:
I'm so frustrated with my job at the moment
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You should have many options around Research Park, might be time to shop around a little. I have actually given serious thought to leaving my position with the federal government and taking a job with SAIC as a contractor.
 
#90
#90
Ed12111 said:
Because I'm the one calling people on unemployment leeches. Maybe if he was ever in their situation he might gain a little perspective.
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Im with him in a way. People wouldn't be in this position if they didn't live beyond their means and actually saved a sum of money (not just a few months salary either). I see a lot of people that drive new trucks but yet complain about living paycheck to paycheck.
 
#91
#91
rmsmith said:
Im with him in a way. People wouldn't be in this position if they didn't live beyond their means and actually saved a sum of money (not just a few months salary either). I see a lot of people that drive new trucks but yet complain about living paycheck to paycheck.
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you've been talking with Yoda, haven't you?

Hope there might be for you still.
 
#93
#93
BearCat204 said:
Really?? I had no idea:crazy: Let me guess, now you are going to tell us that we have no right to discuss unemployment benefits or taxes because we dont own a business.
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Actually, I was just making a point as it seemed like some thought it was employee paid.

Keep discussing all you want.

:)
 
#94
#94
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Actually, I was just making a point as it seemed like some thought it was employee paid.

Keep discussing all you want.

:)
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exactly why you can't receive benefits if you quit, or if you are justifiably fired(ie cause company financial loss or other rules). but one can collect unemployment benefits if they cut your pay(not sure what it's called in that instance)
 
#95
#95
1099 people can't file FUTA either. It is one reason employers will try to 1099 a person if possible. All of my sales staff are 1099'd as I do not set their schedules. If they make 45k they cost me 45k. My customer service reps who are 9-5:30 are paid on average 38k but cost me almost 42k also because of the FUTA and other taxes I have to pay. In the end, I am able to pay a 1099 worker more because I don't have fees over the top but it can bite the employee because they have no ability to file for FUTA.
 
#96
#96
"I'd 1099 the world if I was in charge," IHATETHEBUCKEYES 12/01/2010
 
#97
#97
Maybe it's just me but if I living on unemployment, I don't think I could justify the expense of traveling to DC to attend a rally to extend benefits.....
 
#99
#99
JayVols said:
My sympathy does not lie with those that are fired due to faults like you mentioned with the teacher. I feel for those that have lost their jobs through no fault of their own. If you can't act professionally, arrive on time consistently, or follow guidelines, I'm not sure that person should eligible for benefits.

I have a desk job. I also have a disease called multiple sclerosis. I have been diagnosed for 6 years. I am now incapable of physical labor, through no fault of my own. I still get up every day and go to work even though I could technically be eligible for social security. Government assistance would not provide me the lifestyle I wish to live. I had to adjust. I was a Defensive Coordinator for a high school for 15 years. Due to the heat, which is my worst enemy with MS, I had to give up doing what I loved. I have made tough choices that faced me due to uncontrollable circumstances. Some days I feel better than others, but I miss very few days despite being extremely fatigued, weak, and barely able to walk. My short term memory is also declining. YET I STILL GET UP AND GO TO WORK 99% of the time. I value work and the sense of satisfaction it brings. I am not advocating for those that are lazy, freeloaders, or looking for the easy way out. I am advocating for those that have been productive members of society and have contributed to our success as a country. They have paid into UE for years. IMO there is nothing wrong in looking after these individuals who find themselves in a position of no job through no fault of their own for a while.

Forgive me for having a heart (no I am NOT accusing anyone else of being heartless). I just find it troubling that freeloaders and hard working jobless people, who would rather be working, are being lumped into the same group. Do we really want to see the consequences of what will happen by cutting people who have worked their whole lives but are now jobless? I don't care what you assert, there are not enough jobs (even low paying jobs) out there to support everyone that wants a job. People will still feed their families even if it means through theft or other crimes. If my child was starving, I would find a way to feed them by any means necessary. Do we want shanty towns a la The Great Depression springing up everywhere. Too many of you think that cutting everyone off UE will result in them taking any job.. there are not enough out there for everyone. Plain and simple.

To sum it up, I am not for 'keeping up' lazy people. I am for helping those that have worked and find themselves in a bad position not from what the have done. I work despite a debilitating disease. I am no freeloader and do NOT condone those that are. I am not attacking anyone's position. I am simply asking those that may feel differently than I to consider what will really happen, outside of purely a money perspective, if draconian cuts to UE are instituted. Have a pleasant evening.
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this i don't get. unlike most you have a legit reason to not be able to find work and have limitations that limit the industries you can work for. yet you are employed and working. i fail to see why you wouldn't agree with me. how can you be happy about supporting the 100% healthy and full bodied people who wont make the hard choices?

utfantilidie said:
Not everyone wants to uproot and leave.I often wonder how many people have the skills to survive. I know my family at one time had a business and were self supporting even provided employment to others. Disagree with your philosophy . Never drew unemployment but I sure don't knock anyone that is honestly trying to make it work.
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of course people don't want to uproot and leave. you are saying exactly what i am talking about. unemployment delays the tough and many times neccasary decisions. hell even i could justify giving someone unemployment for a couple of months. things can come out of the blue and get you laid off. but a year? two years? this is ridiculous.

Ihatethebuckeyes said:
You guys do realize that unless you own a business the FUTA does not come out of your paycheck. It is paid for by the employer. Does the FUTA dictate what you will make in the end to a certain degree when the owner is working the cashflow reports? Yes. But the tax does not come out of your check directly. It is paid for by the owner.
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all this does is result in decreased wages.
 
#100
#100
I don't see how they can keep extending it over and over. Might as well call it what it is welfare. Some truly need it, but someone already said it, your job should be trying to find a job. This is just another case of government failure. These people hold the highest paying jobs in the land, best benefits, health care, time off, paid holidays and do the ****tiest job they can. Man what a gig.
 
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