UPDATED Tim Banks a potential candidate for Miami and Clemson DC

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BigOrangeTrain said:
So what’s your definition of great? OSU and TX have great DL play. Does that mean their DCs aren’t that good? Who says Banks needs time? He has brought us from 90th in total defense to 8th nationally. What more do you want? I am beginning to think some of you just started watching football a few years ago.
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Good to great is probably a fine line that indeed is hard to define. Up until this year no one would have said he was “great” as our defense handicapped the 2022 team (in my opinion), and I don’t remember being a dominant defense any year before this year. Losing him could be huge . . . I suppose. But I think that is far from certain.

People give all of the credit for our Dline to Garner and all of the secondary woes are attributed to Martinez. I don’t see much in the way of adjustments from Banks . . . But I’m watching as a fan and not a coach.

My definition of great would probably be Kirby Smart (head coach I know - but defense is his specialty) and the obvious impact he makes on that side of the ball.

Now . . . The talent advantage is a HUGE part of that. That’s the Jimmy and Joes argument I suppose.

But your point is well made and well taken. I guess one way of thinking about it . . . Is if he stays (I think he will), does the defense look as good next year as this year? It may.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’ve met Hal Mumme, his son Matt, Lincoln Riley, and numerous other prominent air raid coaches. I’ve coached the air raid. I know the air raid extremely well.

We aren’t an air raid team. You can insult me and pretend idk what I’m talking about all you wish. It doesn’t change anything.

We are not an air raid team. We don’t run mesh. We don’t run shallow cross. We almost never throw to our RB. We almost never go 10 personnel.

Here’s some base air raid plays for you:

1. Stick (I don’t think I’ve ever seen us run it)
2. Mesh (maybe on the goal once all season, if that)
3. Y sail (very common in most play books, maybe once all season on a roll out)
4. Y cross (don’t think I’ve ever seen us run that)
5. 4 verts (everyone in America runs this, but we don’t often because we rarely align with 4 vertical threats)
6. Y Corner (I call Z stick, but also not a play we run).
7. Shallow cross (I can’t recall a single time we’ve ran this)

What we do run frequently are run n shoot concepts

1. X choice
2. Y go
3.
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That was very specific. It was wrong. But specific. The big play to Thornton wasn’t even a crossing route. Thornton started on the left side of the field and ended on the left side of the field.

It was a post and then when Nico had to scramble, Thornton broke off his route and it become more of a post corner.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That was very specific. It was wrong. But specific. The big play to Thornton wasn’t even a crossing route. Thornton started on the left side of the field and ended on the left side of the field.

It was a post and then when Nico had to scramble, Thornton broke off his route and it become more of a post corner.
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Thorton was running a crossing route, and broke it back off when Nico scrambled
 
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B81 said:
Thorton was running a crossing route, and broke it back off when Nico scrambled
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You’re confusing the play known as Y cross with a crossing route. Thornton was running a post route (not a y cross route) and then broke it off when Nico scrambled.
 
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papatomany said:
This is simply not true. Pressure on the quarterback is the only answer to weak dbs. You have to generate pressure however you can, or any decent qb will pick you apart, as evinced by the Georgia and Ohio State games. Especially when you're terrible at zone coverage, which we are.

Banks was way more aggressive in previous seasons, but apparently decided this year we could generate enough pressure with four despite evidence to the contrary. And, as others have pointed out, when we did blitz, it was almost always straight-line.
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I don’t have the patience to explain this again, but I wish you the best on your football book report.
 
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B81 said:
Maybe I am not articulate enough to convince you, but maybe Mike Leach can

www.si.com

Mike Leach Explains Similarities in His Offense and the Josh Heupel Tennessee Offense

Mike Leach and his former quarterback have some commonalities within their offenses.
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You’re not articulating it well enough because you don’t understand what you’re talking about. You called a post route, y cross.

What Leach is doing there is basic coach speech. There are x number of plays that are going to be part of every team’s playbook (qb sneak for example). Having one commonality, just means they’re playing the same sport.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’ve met Hal Mumme, his son Matt, Lincoln Riley, and numerous other prominent air raid coaches. I’ve coached the air raid. I know the air raid extremely well.

We aren’t an air raid team. You can insult me and pretend idk what I’m talking about all you wish. It doesn’t change anything.

We are not an air raid team. We don’t run mesh. We don’t run shallow cross. We almost never throw to our RB. We almost never go 10 personnel.

Here’s some base air raid plays for you:

1. Stick (I don’t think I’ve ever seen us run it)
2. Mesh (maybe on the goal once all season, if that)
3. Y sail (very common in most play books, maybe once all season on a roll out)
4. Y cross (don’t think I’ve ever seen us run that)
5. 4 verts (everyone in America runs this, but we don’t often because we rarely align with 4 vertical threats)
6. Y Corner (I call Z stick, but also not a play we run).
7. Shallow cross (I can’t recall a single time we’ve ran this)

What we do run frequently are run n shoot concepts

1. X choice
2. Y go
3. Switch
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PREACH! Ive said over and over no crossing routes.......which would do wonders if added in. Short and Mid

Thanks!
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re not articulating it well enough because you don’t understand what you’re talking about. You called a post route, y cross.

What Leach is doing there is basic coach speech. There are x number of coaches lays that are going to be part of every team’s playbook (qb sneak for example). Having one commonality, just means they’re playing the same sport.
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volswire.usatoday.com

Ace Rip Arc: Josh Heupel, Vols' offense executing air raid concepts at Missouri

Ace Rip Arc: A look at Josh Heupel and Tennessee’s offense executing Air Raid concepts at Missouri
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Here is an example of us running mesh, with video.
 
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B81 said:
volswire.usatoday.com

Ace Rip Arc: Josh Heupel, Vols' offense executing air raid concepts at Missouri

Ace Rip Arc: A look at Josh Heupel and Tennessee’s offense executing Air Raid concepts at Missouri
volswire.usatoday.com volswire.usatoday.com

Here is an example of us running mesh, with video.
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Sure. Teams will have some plays they carry into specific game plans. Most teams in the country will occasionally run a mesh route. Outside of that famous drop, you’ll be hard pressed to find such examples.

If your point is that everyone runs some elements that are outside the traditional scope of their offense, sure. But your overall point has seemed to be that it’s some important aspect of our offense. That’s simple not true.
 
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