Urban Meyer - Lucky or Great coaching?

As much as I hate to say it Urban Meyer is a pretty darn good ball coach. I think someone said well didnt the gators go 8-5,7-5,etc. Well look what happened when Meyer got their. IMO this thread is absolutly rid. but what do I know. Come sept.15 we will find out who is the better team this year!

The only reason I think he's a great coach is because of the way he adapted to the SEC... I think he knows it and everyone knows it that his full offense he had at past schools won't completely work in the SEC like they did in the smaller conferences.

The way he had it this past year was probably and is probably the best way to win in the SEC for his system.. because you don't know there are trick-type plays coming every down if they play more traditional like this year.. but if he tries to go all out then you can be better prepared for it and won't get the confusion/shock factor they had on some plays this year.
 
The only reason I think he's a great coach is because of the way he adapted to the SEC... I think he knows it and everyone knows it that his full offense he had at past schools won't completely work in the SEC like they did in the smaller conferences.

The way he had it this past year was probably and is probably the best way to win in the SEC for his system.. because you don't know there are trick-type plays coming every down if they play more traditional like this year.. but if he tries to go all out then you can be better prepared for it and won't get the confusion/shock factor they had on some plays this year.

I feel really dirty for even sticking up for the man, but i believe that the shock prob. come from the fact that this guy has had 2 years to get this sytem in these kids heads. I mean they are on one system for 2 years and then boom whole diff scheme. Hell I dont know, the guy is a good coach i wouldnt call it luck. GO VOLS
 
Basmanbruno,

I have no interest in continuing a personal discussion because I think we've both already said all that needs to be said. I will, however, address your responses to the actual substance of my post.

Also.. I had NO idea it was some big secret to get your players as close to the ball as possible on punt coverages! Mr. Urban Meyer must of come up with something big here! Call the press! Anyone who strives not to be NEAR the punt returner doesn't deserve to be coaching. Meyer isn't doing anything more than the other coaches... I haven't seen special teams change in awhile except for more rugby punts and that continually going offside by Wisconsin(maybe? not sure who it was) to run out the clock on a kickoff. Urban did not come up with something new here unless he found some complex math formula to calculate the bounce of the ball on any given occasion. /Ends the big wall of text made famous by jamaicagator

I don't fully understand your point here. You're saying, from what I can tell, that, because everyone knows that you should get your players closer to the ball, the fact Meyer has actually found a way to accomplish this isn't anything special. This makes no sense to me. Everyone knows that you should try to score a lot of touchdowns, but what makes a coach great is his ability to find ways of making this happen. That's what Meyer has done here. He's found a way schematically to get his coverage guys closer to the punt returner. This is evidenced not only by the muffs and muff recoveries, but also the tremendous success of our punt return defense (top five nationally in each of the past two years).

So what sets Meyer apart isn't that he knows he should get his players closer to the ball, but that he's found a way of actually doing this.

That also explains how our recovery of muffed punts isn't purely a matter of luck, except in the proverbial sense that luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Muffed punts happen all the time and not perferentially for any one team, but our players are in a better position to take advantage of these muffs (i.e., recover them) because of the preparation (i.e., gameplanning) of our coaches.

You say that Meyer isn't doing anything new and that you haven't seen special teams change in a while (with two exceptions that don't apply here), but I would recommend that you take a look at Tennessee's punt formation and Florida's punt formation and see if you can identify any change. Better yet, look at our punt formation this year and our punt formation from the Zook or Spurrier years and tell me if you see any difference.

There is a difference. Meyer's punt formation is different than the traditional one, and I believe this is why we have had such great punt return defense, why we've had several successful fakes over the past two years (e.g., vs. UGA in 2005, vs. Arkansas in 2006), and also why we've been better able to force and recover muffed punts. I'm pretty sure that Meyer was among the first to use the modern punt formation that has since been mimicked by many coaching staffs (though not always with similar results), and this is indicative of a big part of what makes Meyer such a great coach--his relentless effort and commitment to innovation.

Which comes back to my initial point. Sometimes people don't appreciate all the work and preparation that goes into these things. They only see the results, and because of this it's easy for them to call it luck, but I don't think this is the case at all. You can, however, ignore all of the things I've told you can still insist that when these things happen they're just a matter of luck that no one can control, and then you can watch as Meyer continues to be so lucky just as he was at Bowling Green, just as he was at Utah, and just as he has been for two seasons at Florida.
 
Two things. First, somewhere along the way this debate actually went from ad hominem to thoughtful and I can't explain it. UT scientists will study the thread for years trying to discover how insults for once evolved INTO argument.Second, thankyou jamaica for entering the board !! Will be nice to have another voice of reason on here with me and NC.
 
bossmanbruno isn't a beatiful woman, is he?

Ok.

Obviously you have taken in way to much gatorade lately.. if you are going to come on here to debate this topic atleast do it without so much bias... I mean we are debating your favorite team's coach, why should anything you say about him while wearing your gator goggles change my opinion on him when I'm not tied with the university?

Also, I was talking about big special team changes, not just small formation changes, so thanks!

People have been getting to the punt returner since football began... there are many different ways to do it... none of them are secrets so stop acting like he is a genius for doing it... Tennessee has gotten to the punt returner many times but the ball doesn't always bounce there way off a muff... its LUCK. It varies... but you wanna know what the best punt scheme is to reach the returner? Do you? It's called a great punter. Enough said, if the punter is great then you don't need Meyer's God-like little special teams coverage scheme.

Once again, thanks for the essay response! Obviously you're going to keep defending you "lover", Mr. Urban "The Legend" Meyer and I'm going to pointing out that I could careless and his special teams aren't astonishing and something he invented. Really, there is no point. So thanks and goodnight.
 
Very lucky..guy has no clue
I love your classy, this bs conversation is getting old, response. :thumbsup: However, tell LG we already have enough gator guys in here and to quit welcoming new ones into our cozy little home... :eek:lol:
 
Ok.

Obviously you have taken in way to much gatorade lately.. if you are going to come on here to debate this topic atleast do it without so much bias... I mean we are debating your favorite team's coach, why should anything you say about him while wearing your gator goggles change my opinion on him when I'm not tied with the university?

Also, I was talking about big special team changes, not just small formation changes, so thanks!

People have been getting to the punt returner since football began... there are many different ways to do it... none of them are secrets so stop acting like he is a genius for doing it... Tennessee has gotten to the punt returner many times but the ball doesn't always bounce there way off a muff... its LUCK. It varies... but you wanna know what the best punt scheme is to reach the returner? Do you? It's called a great punter. Enough said, if the punter is great then you don't need Meyer's God-like little special teams coverage scheme.

Once again, thanks for the essay response! Obviously you're going to keep defending you "lover", Mr. Urban "The Legend" Meyer and I'm going to pointing out that I could careless and his special teams aren't astonishing and something he invented. Really, there is no point. So thanks and goodnight.

I can't believe you just said this guy wears Gator Glasses. First off, Florida just won the national championship. They can praise their coach without sounding the least bit delusional. Secondly, you just praised UT's special teams. If you honestly think UT special teams are good, you need to either remove your orange sunglasses or go pick up Football for Dummies and hit yourself in the face with it.
 
Okay, I guess enough is enough, but I'll do one more just in case.

Also, I was talking about big special team changes, not just small formation changes, so thanks!

If formation changes are so trivial, you'd think we'd see more of them. Generally speaking, there are only two or three different formations used by any team across the country, so I'd say any departure from that is pretty significant. In our case, I think our change of punt formation has made a big difference, and the numbers bear that out (and there is no bias involved with the raw numbers).

In 2004 using the traditional formation, we allowed 14.68 yards per return, which ranked 112th in the country. In 2005, Meyer's first year, we ranked 2nd with 3.3 yards allowed per return. Last year we were 7th allowing 3.7. Clearly that's a significant difference.

Tennessee has gotten to the punt returner many times but the ball doesn't always bounce there way off a muff... its LUCK. It varies...

Does Tennessee really get to the returner? Keeping in mind the numbers above (Florida with two top-ten finishes in Meyer's two years), it may interest you to learn that Tennessee has finished 88th and 113th in the nation in punt-return defense over that time.

Enough said, if the punter is great then you don't need Meyer's God-like little special teams coverage scheme.

Good. Then all Tennessee needs to do is go find a great punter. Problem solved. Don't bother asking Fulmer why the coverage has been so terrible. It's not his fault. He just needs a great punter. It's as simple as that.
 
Urban Meyer Used Fake Quotes To Motivate Gators - Sports Blog - The FanHouse




Urban Meyer Used Fake Quotes To Motivate Gators

Posted Mar 24th 2007 10:10PM by Andy Katzer
Filed under: Florida Football, SEC, BCS, NCAA FB Coaching, Florida

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Strange words keep coming from the mouth of Florida coach Urban Meyer. Recently, he called his team a "train wreck," now he's admitted to creating his own bulletin board material to fire up the Gators before the BCS title game. When asked by Adam Mertz of The Capital Times (Madison, WI) about the quotes supposedly degrading Florida before January's championship game against Ohio State:
"Half of them were made up," Meyer said, chuckling. "All you do is stick (ESPN's) 'Kirk Herbstreit' at the end of it and players will buy into it."​
Or at least they would have before, but probably not so much in the future knowing their coach is just making this stuff up. I'm pretty sure all coaches exaggerate to some extent, disrespect is a great motivator and everybody wants to be the underdog. What I don't understand is why Meyer would admit to it when he just might need to use the same ploy in the future.

Might want to play your cards a little closer to the vest there, coach.
 
...sounds like Meyer has all the characteristics of a great politician in either party.
 
Thanks for the welcome, but unfortunately our Volunteer hosts don't seem to be quite as hospitable. :ermm:


Actually, you will by and large find the fan base here to be very knowledgeable and intelligent conversationalists. Unfortunately, you jumped in and got yourself entwined with one who can write well, but who seems unwilling to give credit where credit is due. If you go back and peruse 20 posts or so on either side of your argument with what's-his-name, you will find a lot of Tennessee fans on here admitting, albeit grudgingly, that Meyer has turned out to be a better coach than they figured he would be.

I've got almost 5,000 posts on here in the last couple of years and its not because I don't have anythign else to do. Its overall a very fun site with good-natured ribbing. And as I say 95% of the regulars on here are of good character and give and take the abuse with a smile on their faces.

It gets a little weird this time of year and right at the beginning of football season. For obvious reasons, these two times are when you get the lurkers coming around and spouting off whatever they feel the need to say just to say it or just to root for Tennessee, no matter what the cost. You will actually find a few smoledering debates on here of interest, including fire vs. keep Fulmer, the future of Vols basketball, whether we need a playoff to replace the BCS, things of that nature.

Me, I come on here primarily to antagonize a select group of individuals.
 

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