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Claim: Eating carrots results in improved vision.
Origins: Carrots have long been touted for their efficacy in improving eyesight, and generations of kids have been admonished to not leave them on their plates lest they end up needing glasses. But are carrots the sight-boosters popular wisdom asserts them to be? And if not, where did this belief begin?
While carrots are a good source of vitamin A (which is important for healthy eyesight, skin, growth, and resisting infection), eating them won't improve vision. The purported link between carrots and markedly acute vision is a matter of lore, not of science. And it's lore of the deliberately manufactured type.
In World War II, Britain's air ministry spread the word that a diet of these vegetables helped pilots see Nazi bombers attacking at night. That was a lie intended to cover the real matter of what was underpinning the Royal Air Force's successes: Airborne Interception Radar, also known as AI. The secret new system pinpointed some enemy bombers before they reached the English Channel.
British Intelligence didn't want the Germans to find out about the superior new technology helping protect the nation, so they created a rumor to afford a somewhat plausible-sounding explanation for the sudden increase in bombers being shot down. News stories began appearing in the British press about extraordinary personnel manning the defenses, including Flight Lieutenant John Cunningham, an RAF pilot dubbed "Cats Eyes" on the basis of his exceptional night vision that allowed him to spot his prey in the dark. Cunningham's abilities were chalked up to his love of carrots. Further stories claimed RAF pilots were being fed goodly amounts of this root vegetable to foster similar abilities in them.
The disinformation was so persuasive that the English public took to eating carrots to help them find their way during the blackouts.
There is at least a bit of something to the carrots/vision presumption: Beta-carotene, which is found in the vegetable, may help reduce the risk of cataract and macular degeneration. However, it needs be pointed out that studies which have posited this link used doses of Vitamin A or beta-carotene that were higher than what is found in the standard diet. It would be quite difficult to eat the requisite number of carrots to match this level of intake. Also, among those who suffer a Vitamin A deficiency, nyctanopia (also known as nyctalopia or night blindness; the inability to see well in poor light) can be at least somewhat helped by adding carrots to the sufferer's diet.
Megadosing with carrots, however, is a bad idea. Large doses of Vitamin A can be toxic, and though such an overdose rarely kills, it has on at least a few occasions. Also, too much beta-carotene will result in carotenemia, a condition that turns skin yellow or orange. Normal coloration returns once the increased intake of beta-carotene is reduced.
52 Days Until We Never Have To Read Gatorville's Posts Again About How The Urban Myth Is The Second Coming.
Origins: Carrots have long been touted for their efficacy in improving eyesight, and generations of kids have been admonished to not leave them on their plates lest they end up needing glasses. But are carrots the sight-boosters popular wisdom asserts them to be? And if not, where did this belief begin?
While carrots are a good source of vitamin A (which is important for healthy eyesight, skin, growth, and resisting infection), eating them won't improve vision. The purported link between carrots and markedly acute vision is a matter of lore, not of science. And it's lore of the deliberately manufactured type.
In World War II, Britain's air ministry spread the word that a diet of these vegetables helped pilots see Nazi bombers attacking at night. That was a lie intended to cover the real matter of what was underpinning the Royal Air Force's successes: Airborne Interception Radar, also known as AI. The secret new system pinpointed some enemy bombers before they reached the English Channel.
British Intelligence didn't want the Germans to find out about the superior new technology helping protect the nation, so they created a rumor to afford a somewhat plausible-sounding explanation for the sudden increase in bombers being shot down. News stories began appearing in the British press about extraordinary personnel manning the defenses, including Flight Lieutenant John Cunningham, an RAF pilot dubbed "Cats Eyes" on the basis of his exceptional night vision that allowed him to spot his prey in the dark. Cunningham's abilities were chalked up to his love of carrots. Further stories claimed RAF pilots were being fed goodly amounts of this root vegetable to foster similar abilities in them.
The disinformation was so persuasive that the English public took to eating carrots to help them find their way during the blackouts.
There is at least a bit of something to the carrots/vision presumption: Beta-carotene, which is found in the vegetable, may help reduce the risk of cataract and macular degeneration. However, it needs be pointed out that studies which have posited this link used doses of Vitamin A or beta-carotene that were higher than what is found in the standard diet. It would be quite difficult to eat the requisite number of carrots to match this level of intake. Also, among those who suffer a Vitamin A deficiency, nyctanopia (also known as nyctalopia or night blindness; the inability to see well in poor light) can be at least somewhat helped by adding carrots to the sufferer's diet.
Megadosing with carrots, however, is a bad idea. Large doses of Vitamin A can be toxic, and though such an overdose rarely kills, it has on at least a few occasions. Also, too much beta-carotene will result in carotenemia, a condition that turns skin yellow or orange. Normal coloration returns once the increased intake of beta-carotene is reduced.
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This is a good one. I NEVER knew this.
Claim: Mister Ed, the talking equine of television fame, was a horse.
Origins: Although the Mister Ed television show enjoyed a five-year run on CBS in the early 1960s, it was actually one of the very first series to start out in syndication and then be picked up by a network. (Mister Ed premiered as a syndicated show in January 1961, and CBS added it to their prime time schedule the following October.) Without network backing in the beginning, however, the show's budget was extremely tight. During the filming of the pilot episode, production costs mounted as the recalcitrant horse cast as Mister Ed refused to perform on cue (if it performed at all), resulting in large expenditures to cover the costs of additional training fees and wasted footage.
The producers of the show were ready to throw in the towel and write off the venture when one of the putative Mister Ed's trainers came up with a solution: the nearby Jungleland animal park in Thousand Oaks, California, had a trained Grevy's zebra that was being used in live shows for the park's daily tour visitors. The zebra (a female, called "Amelia" by its Jungleland handlers) was trained to perform many of the same actions (e.g., opening and closing its mouth, stamping its feet on cue) required in the Mr. Ed role, and Jungleland consented to lend her out for a few days' filming.
Amelia worked out fantastically well, exceeding everyone's expectations, and the pilot was quickly wrapped up and sold to the syndication market. The producers made a generous donation to Jungleland in exchange for continued use of Amelia, and she appeared in all the syndicated episodes as well as all the shows comprising the series' entire five-year run on CBS. Amelia retired to Jungleland when Mr. Ed was cancelled after the 1965-66 season, where she lived for three years before being sold at auction when Jungleland closed in 1969.
The show's premise, of course, called for a talking horse, not a zebra. The producers felt the concept was already absurd enough without stretching credulity by having to explain why someone would have left a zebra (let alone a talking one) at a country house, so they chose not to explain it at all. They stuck with the original premise instead: Mister Ed was always referred to as a "horse," and since the series was filmed in black and white, the viewing audience couldn't tell the difference.
(The difficulty in resolving closely integrated black and white images on non-color television receivers was one of the primary reasons NFL games were not regularly televised until the mid-1960s, when sales of color TV sets started to outstrip those of black-and-white models. When black-and-white television predominated in the nation's living rooms, football games were too often disrupted when players ran into the referees, whose black-and-white striped uniform tops made them nearly invisible to onlookers. Likewise, Johnny Cash's famous televised live concert performance at California's Folsom Prison in January 1968 proved disastrous when several inmates wearing the traditional black and white prisoner's garb slipped unnoticed past guards, who had been provided only black and white monitors with which to view the proceedings.)
Zebras are noticeably smaller than horses, so the set used for Mister Ed's stable was constructed using forced perspective (the same technique employed on Disneyland's Main Street) to make it appear larger than it really was (and thus make Mister Ed appear larger than he really was as well). This gimmick also helped to mask the fact that Alan Young, the series' star, was only a diminutive 5'4" tall. Since a zebra's gait is distinctively different than a horse's, the rare episodes that called for scenes of Mister Ed running were filmed in long shots using real horses, a practice which has lead to the mistaken claim (cited in several fan-related publications and web sites) that a zebra was occasionally used on the show as a "stunt double." (In later years a Palamino horse named Bamboo Harvester would often be erroneously identified as having been the Mister Ed, but this horse was in fact only used for promotional appearances and publicity stills; it never actually appeared in the TV series.)
The substitution was an open secret around the industry, however, and continual sly references to zebras were worked into the show. The two most blatant examples were the episode of 21 March 1963, "Ed the Zebra," and the episode of 17 October 1965, "Anybody Got a Zebra?" The former episode was a joke-within-a-joke wherein a disgruntled Ed ran away to the zoo, leaned up against a newly-painted black fence, and started a new life as a zebra. (Ironically, the photography crew actually had to shoot Ed's "zebra" scenes for that episode in color and then convert them back to black-and-white in order to make Mister Ed appear as a zebra to the audience!
When CBS switched to a primarily color prime time line-up for the 1965-66 season, both they and the series' producers were faced with a dilemma: keeping the show as a black and white entry would have presented a jarring contrast with the network's other shows, but switching to color would have given away the ruse. Eventually, a CBS executive came up with a clever solution: the show was moved out of prime time into the 5:30-6:00 PM slot on Sunday evenings for the series' final year, thus avoiding the necessity of its conversion to color.
51 Days Until The Urban Myth Is Exposed.
Claim: Mister Ed, the talking equine of television fame, was a horse.
Origins: Although the Mister Ed television show enjoyed a five-year run on CBS in the early 1960s, it was actually one of the very first series to start out in syndication and then be picked up by a network. (Mister Ed premiered as a syndicated show in January 1961, and CBS added it to their prime time schedule the following October.) Without network backing in the beginning, however, the show's budget was extremely tight. During the filming of the pilot episode, production costs mounted as the recalcitrant horse cast as Mister Ed refused to perform on cue (if it performed at all), resulting in large expenditures to cover the costs of additional training fees and wasted footage.
The producers of the show were ready to throw in the towel and write off the venture when one of the putative Mister Ed's trainers came up with a solution: the nearby Jungleland animal park in Thousand Oaks, California, had a trained Grevy's zebra that was being used in live shows for the park's daily tour visitors. The zebra (a female, called "Amelia" by its Jungleland handlers) was trained to perform many of the same actions (e.g., opening and closing its mouth, stamping its feet on cue) required in the Mr. Ed role, and Jungleland consented to lend her out for a few days' filming.
Amelia worked out fantastically well, exceeding everyone's expectations, and the pilot was quickly wrapped up and sold to the syndication market. The producers made a generous donation to Jungleland in exchange for continued use of Amelia, and she appeared in all the syndicated episodes as well as all the shows comprising the series' entire five-year run on CBS. Amelia retired to Jungleland when Mr. Ed was cancelled after the 1965-66 season, where she lived for three years before being sold at auction when Jungleland closed in 1969.
The show's premise, of course, called for a talking horse, not a zebra. The producers felt the concept was already absurd enough without stretching credulity by having to explain why someone would have left a zebra (let alone a talking one) at a country house, so they chose not to explain it at all. They stuck with the original premise instead: Mister Ed was always referred to as a "horse," and since the series was filmed in black and white, the viewing audience couldn't tell the difference.
(The difficulty in resolving closely integrated black and white images on non-color television receivers was one of the primary reasons NFL games were not regularly televised until the mid-1960s, when sales of color TV sets started to outstrip those of black-and-white models. When black-and-white television predominated in the nation's living rooms, football games were too often disrupted when players ran into the referees, whose black-and-white striped uniform tops made them nearly invisible to onlookers. Likewise, Johnny Cash's famous televised live concert performance at California's Folsom Prison in January 1968 proved disastrous when several inmates wearing the traditional black and white prisoner's garb slipped unnoticed past guards, who had been provided only black and white monitors with which to view the proceedings.)
Zebras are noticeably smaller than horses, so the set used for Mister Ed's stable was constructed using forced perspective (the same technique employed on Disneyland's Main Street) to make it appear larger than it really was (and thus make Mister Ed appear larger than he really was as well). This gimmick also helped to mask the fact that Alan Young, the series' star, was only a diminutive 5'4" tall. Since a zebra's gait is distinctively different than a horse's, the rare episodes that called for scenes of Mister Ed running were filmed in long shots using real horses, a practice which has lead to the mistaken claim (cited in several fan-related publications and web sites) that a zebra was occasionally used on the show as a "stunt double." (In later years a Palamino horse named Bamboo Harvester would often be erroneously identified as having been the Mister Ed, but this horse was in fact only used for promotional appearances and publicity stills; it never actually appeared in the TV series.)
The substitution was an open secret around the industry, however, and continual sly references to zebras were worked into the show. The two most blatant examples were the episode of 21 March 1963, "Ed the Zebra," and the episode of 17 October 1965, "Anybody Got a Zebra?" The former episode was a joke-within-a-joke wherein a disgruntled Ed ran away to the zoo, leaned up against a newly-painted black fence, and started a new life as a zebra. (Ironically, the photography crew actually had to shoot Ed's "zebra" scenes for that episode in color and then convert them back to black-and-white in order to make Mister Ed appear as a zebra to the audience!
When CBS switched to a primarily color prime time line-up for the 1965-66 season, both they and the series' producers were faced with a dilemma: keeping the show as a black and white entry would have presented a jarring contrast with the network's other shows, but switching to color would have given away the ruse. Eventually, a CBS executive came up with a clever solution: the show was moved out of prime time into the 5:30-6:00 PM slot on Sunday evenings for the series' final year, thus avoiding the necessity of its conversion to color.
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This one is for Friday July 29th. I am having LASIK eye surgery Thursday, and will need to be off the computer until Saturday, and I wouldn't wanna miss a day, so I will go a day ahead.
Claim: Powerade commercial shows footage of basketball star Lebron James sinking a series of extraordinarily long shots.
Origins: One on the benchmarks of a successful advertising campaign is that it generates "buzz" it gets people talking about it, and thereby keeps both the ads and the products they promote in the public eye. Even consumers who don't already use the plugged products are therefore constantly reminded of them.
Judging by the way our inbox fills up every time they come out with a new commercial, we have to say the folks behind the advertising campaign for Powerade (an energy drink produced by the Coca-Cola Company) have been incredibly successful at creating ads with more "buzz" than anyone else.
A Powerade commercial filmed in December 2003 featured 19-year-old basketball wunderkind Lebron James of the NBA's Cleveland Cavaliers sinking a series of four consecutive shots from nearly the full length of a basketball court, about 75 to 90 feet away. It aired during the 2004 NCAA college basketball "March Madness" championships, and now that the spot is running again during this year's NCAA competition, "Is this commercial for real?" queries are popping up in our e-mail again several times a day.
Even knowing nothing about Powerade's style of advertising, one would have to suspect this commercial wasn't quite on the level. Lebron James is a incredibly gifted athlete with amazing skills on the basketball court, but if he could sink 80-foot shots as consistently and effortlessly as depicted in this Powerade spot, he'd be shattering NBA scoring records left and right. If this commercial didn't employ digital manipulation or least some heavy editing, they'd have had to do a prohibitively large number of takes before Lebron managed to hit four straight shots from the distances it depicts.
But persons familiar with earlier Powerade commercials know that their stock in trade is using digital editing techniques to create a series of clever ads featuring "extreme" sporting events in which athletes accomplish seemingly impossible feats of strength and skill, all to the accompaniment of breathless narration by on-the-spot announcers. Previous entries in this series include a spot in which Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick knocks a couple of receivers flat on their backs with the force of his passes, then hurls an impossibly long pass not just the length of the field but completely out of the stadium, and a pseudo-foreign commercial in which the Powerade creative team manipulated some video footage of a killer whale breaching the surface of the ocean to make it appear that the marine giant had landed atop a group of plucky kayakers, who emerge amazingly unscathed by the ordeal.
A Roanoke Times question and answer column identified the special effects outfit used to produce these commercials:
Q: During March Madness they've shown a commercial of LeBron James making incredible three-point shots. We were talking about it at work and wondering if it was real.
A: The beauty of this Powerade commercial is that you think you're watching the work of a single cameraman accidentally catching a miraculous moment.
In truth, the commercial is the work of a talented special effects team from Method Studios, including at least two visual effects artists and a 3-D designer. Method Studios is the same company that made it look like Michael Vick could throw a football a country mile in a previous Powerade commercial.
The Method Studios web site lists the names of the special effects crew members used in producing the Powerade "Lebron Practice" commercial.
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Claim: Powerade commercial shows footage of basketball star Lebron James sinking a series of extraordinarily long shots.
Origins: One on the benchmarks of a successful advertising campaign is that it generates "buzz" it gets people talking about it, and thereby keeps both the ads and the products they promote in the public eye. Even consumers who don't already use the plugged products are therefore constantly reminded of them.
Judging by the way our inbox fills up every time they come out with a new commercial, we have to say the folks behind the advertising campaign for Powerade (an energy drink produced by the Coca-Cola Company) have been incredibly successful at creating ads with more "buzz" than anyone else.
A Powerade commercial filmed in December 2003 featured 19-year-old basketball wunderkind Lebron James of the NBA's Cleveland Cavaliers sinking a series of four consecutive shots from nearly the full length of a basketball court, about 75 to 90 feet away. It aired during the 2004 NCAA college basketball "March Madness" championships, and now that the spot is running again during this year's NCAA competition, "Is this commercial for real?" queries are popping up in our e-mail again several times a day.
Even knowing nothing about Powerade's style of advertising, one would have to suspect this commercial wasn't quite on the level. Lebron James is a incredibly gifted athlete with amazing skills on the basketball court, but if he could sink 80-foot shots as consistently and effortlessly as depicted in this Powerade spot, he'd be shattering NBA scoring records left and right. If this commercial didn't employ digital manipulation or least some heavy editing, they'd have had to do a prohibitively large number of takes before Lebron managed to hit four straight shots from the distances it depicts.
But persons familiar with earlier Powerade commercials know that their stock in trade is using digital editing techniques to create a series of clever ads featuring "extreme" sporting events in which athletes accomplish seemingly impossible feats of strength and skill, all to the accompaniment of breathless narration by on-the-spot announcers. Previous entries in this series include a spot in which Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick knocks a couple of receivers flat on their backs with the force of his passes, then hurls an impossibly long pass not just the length of the field but completely out of the stadium, and a pseudo-foreign commercial in which the Powerade creative team manipulated some video footage of a killer whale breaching the surface of the ocean to make it appear that the marine giant had landed atop a group of plucky kayakers, who emerge amazingly unscathed by the ordeal.
A Roanoke Times question and answer column identified the special effects outfit used to produce these commercials:
Q: During March Madness they've shown a commercial of LeBron James making incredible three-point shots. We were talking about it at work and wondering if it was real.
A: The beauty of this Powerade commercial is that you think you're watching the work of a single cameraman accidentally catching a miraculous moment.
In truth, the commercial is the work of a talented special effects team from Method Studios, including at least two visual effects artists and a 3-D designer. Method Studios is the same company that made it look like Michael Vick could throw a football a country mile in a previous Powerade commercial.
The Method Studios web site lists the names of the special effects crew members used in producing the Powerade "Lebron Practice" commercial.
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I learned this about Urban Meyer from SEC Media Days . . . lol:
Meyer played defensive back at the University of Cincinnati.
Meyer was drafted by the Atlanta Braves, and played two seasons of minor league ball.
Meyer is licensed to practice law in 11 states. He can practice medicine in six.
Meyer briefly dated Scarlett Johansen.
Meyer once won a complete dinette set on Sale of the Century.
Meyer has pi memorized to 650 decimal places.
Starship Troopers was loosely based on Meyers Ohio upbringing.
The only way to make Meyer disappear is to say his name backwards.
Meyer trained 2003 Belmont Stakes winner Empire Maker.
Condoleeza Rice wont leave the house without running her wardrobe by Meyer.
Meyer talked Hulk Hogan into joining the NWO.
That 50-year-old grandmother in the Bowflex commercial? Did her.
Meyer can eat an entire watermelon, including the skin and seeds, in one sitting.
Meyer is part marsupial.
Meyer designed most of Urban Outfitters summer collection.
In 1986, Meyer co-wrote The Rain with R&B singer/songwriter Oran Juice Jones.
Meyer first drove Wade Boggs to the Bosley Institute.
Meyer invented LOL.
Meyers favorite drink: formaldehyde with a splash of grenadine.
Meyer can deadlift over 500 pounds. With his mind.
The Y2K scare was a hoax created by Meyer.
David Brinkleys last words were Urban Meyer.
Meyer is a secret character in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City.
Ken Shamrock thinks Meyer is the worlds most dangerous man.
Meyer speaks nine languages, including Klingon and Aramaic.
Meyer can breathe underwater.
Meyer authored the Roe v. Wade opinion while sitting on the toilet.
Meyer is widely considered the unofficial tenth member of the Wu-Tang Clan.
Meyer comes up with the names of hurricanes. Hes most proud of Georges.
lol: Meyer played defensive back at the University of Cincinnati.
Meyer was drafted by the Atlanta Braves, and played two seasons of minor league ball.
Meyer is licensed to practice law in 11 states. He can practice medicine in six.
Meyer briefly dated Scarlett Johansen.
Meyer once won a complete dinette set on Sale of the Century.
Meyer has pi memorized to 650 decimal places.
Starship Troopers was loosely based on Meyers Ohio upbringing.
The only way to make Meyer disappear is to say his name backwards.
Meyer trained 2003 Belmont Stakes winner Empire Maker.
Condoleeza Rice wont leave the house without running her wardrobe by Meyer.
Meyer talked Hulk Hogan into joining the NWO.
That 50-year-old grandmother in the Bowflex commercial? Did her.
Meyer can eat an entire watermelon, including the skin and seeds, in one sitting.
Meyer is part marsupial.
Meyer designed most of Urban Outfitters summer collection.
In 1986, Meyer co-wrote The Rain with R&B singer/songwriter Oran Juice Jones.
Meyer first drove Wade Boggs to the Bosley Institute.
Meyer invented LOL.
Meyers favorite drink: formaldehyde with a splash of grenadine.
Meyer can deadlift over 500 pounds. With his mind.
The Y2K scare was a hoax created by Meyer.
David Brinkleys last words were Urban Meyer.
Meyer is a secret character in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City.
Ken Shamrock thinks Meyer is the worlds most dangerous man.
Meyer speaks nine languages, including Klingon and Aramaic.
Meyer can breathe underwater.
Meyer authored the Roe v. Wade opinion while sitting on the toilet.
Meyer is widely considered the unofficial tenth member of the Wu-Tang Clan.
Meyer comes up with the names of hurricanes. Hes most proud of Georges.
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I want to put in my $.02 about the whole "Leak Debate"... the reason Beltway used EA's numbers from those close WINS was Ainge is a gamer! He's a winner, he does what it takes in those close nail-biters to get things done and WIN the game. Leak just couldn't do that, not even against a MSU team that LOST to MAINE.
Leak has a good arm, he's smart, and he's even quick on his feet... but he doesn't seem to have the heart/leadership ability to win those tight games.
Leak has a good arm, he's smart, and he's even quick on his feet... but he doesn't seem to have the heart/leadership ability to win those tight games.
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I believe they were. And I have posted Leak's fourth quarter stats in all of the Gators regular season losses. Leak doesn't perform stellar in the fourth, but he performs well. There's no reason one could say Leak lost their games in the fourth quarter. It's all been Zook's defense.
Which brings me to my point. Everything in football is coaching. That's where the game begins and ends. It's the coaches responsibility to make it so the players have the skills to get everything done, teach them the schemes to know, and make sure they stay motivated. Zook did these things but couldn't keep it going in the fourth, thus the Gators suffered and lost.
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I wasn't saying that I think our wins WEREN'T thanks to good coaching, I was just saying a fan from an opposing school would never ADMIT how great a coaching staff we have, they're too busy talking about coach Fulmer's weight.
Anyway, I think you made my point for me Milo, the coaches PREPARE the players, those players have to go out and play the game and execute, and I think Chris has fallen short far too often to be considered a STELLAR QB like so many ppl make him out to be. He's an average player who has the mind and the body... just not the spirit.
A new coach can't change that...
Anyway, I think you made my point for me Milo, the coaches PREPARE the players, those players have to go out and play the game and execute, and I think Chris has fallen short far too often to be considered a STELLAR QB like so many ppl make him out to be. He's an average player who has the mind and the body... just not the spirit.
A new coach can't change that...
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Great post....there are great athletes and there are winners. UT's "not impressive wins" are still wins, and pulling out close games with freshmen impresses the hell out of me. Chris Leak is a great athlete but he has been around long enough and he has yet to show he can take over and do what it takes with the game on the line (i.e. Ainge vs. FLA, Ole Miss last year) While TN had to pull out some nailbiters last year vs. mediocre teams, they still got it done and that's what counts. UF may have won more blowouts, but it means nothing until they show they can suck it up and WIN a game when it's tight down the stretch.
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No, G. You brought up our wins last year being ugly nailbiters. Something you should realize-- and I'll explain it now since you don't seem to understand the finer points of debating-- When one person tries to make a point (i.e. you saying that our wins last year were not impressive), then the opposing side gets to bring up a fresh point in the argument whether you mentioned it or not (called a counterpoint-- like freak bringing up that nailbiting wins are much better than your ugly losses). So, you didn't have to bring up UF's losses. You invited us to. So, please stop copping out so that we can take you seriously again.
Thanks.
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What OrangeFrenzy said. So when I am defending my team I can't compare them to your team or other teams???
Ok then.... several of our wins were not that impressive. Our losses were not that impressive. Several of our wins were impressive. So..... what? I'll bet you could make that statement of just about any team in the country.
Now that you have your answer, I would like to go a step further and see if this is something that as a UT fan I should be concerned about. Let's take another SEC East rival to compare to. Who should we look at.....hmmm. Ok Florida it is. Let's look at their unimpressive wins. Well now that I look at it you have got me. Florida has less unimpressive wins than Tennessee. I need to get on the phone with Mike Hamilton and demand that Fulmer be fired. Wait a minute now, I just realized that Florida didn't have many unimpressive wins because, (are you ready for this?) they lost those games.
Allright, Gatorville I am done playing.
I don't think anyone will argue that we had some games that were closer than they should have been last year. If you look at most teams they have a couple of games that are much closer than they should be, some teams actually end up losing these games. Hopefully we can continue to win these close ones but it sure would be a lot easier if we won every game big. eace:
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You mean like the ND game Freaky? :dunno:
We lost ONE of those, but won the others. Most impressively against UF. You can whine about the refs all you want, but the refs didn't make UF go 3 and out at the end, and they sure as hell didn't move the ball the yardage needed to get into FG range.
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I'm on the Vols side, I was just pointing out that of the 4-5 of those we played, we DID lose one... one w/o Ainge to pull us through the 4th quarter I might add, which may or may not support my argument about him being a winner as a major factor in our close wins.Hell, I'll take the ND loss as long as I get to keep the pasting we put on A&M. Their fans were nice and all, but they were also a tad over confident.
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That loss was so frustrating, because if Rick doesn't make that horrible mistake right when he first comes in, we probably don't lose. That had to be a tough situation to come in on, but after that interception he settled down and played pretty well.
Just wish he hadn't given up that easy touchdown before he got settled down; I don't think Mahelona and co. were going to let ND's offense back into the endzone.
Just wish he hadn't given up that easy touchdown before he got settled down; I don't think Mahelona and co. were going to let ND's offense back into the endzone.
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