US may have killed Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani

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I'm confused by Trumpsters claiming "we won." Didn't Trump promise to retaliate for this with missile strikes? Shouldn't we wait to declare victory until after it's over?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Speaking in terms of political "wins" and "losses" at such a time would be incredibly petty of anyone... but you do seem preoccupied with them yourself.
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I don't care if he wins or loses personally as long as it doesn't effect me/us, I don't care about him one way or the other. I care about the country. Some are totally consumed with him going down they cheer, create false narratives, even advocate for failure because they hate him and his celebrity. Its hysteria, though Dems aren't the only ones, same was true for Obama to some extent.

This was a reset of American foreign policy by all appearances. A terrorist was eliminated, and the consequence appears to be negligible. It appears to be a win at this time. Just be happy it was even if it's not what you wanted is all I'm saying. Pretty simple.


Edit: and on queue see post below mine
 
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Persian Vol said:
From Iran’s actions it seems clear that Iran has no intention of going to war with us and did the bare minimum in retaliation. Based off Trump’s tweet it seems like he knows this too.

Well gentleman, that was definitely a ride.
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Sure hope so Persian. Prayers for citizens of Iran tonight. Wish them peace and hopefully soon a chance to elect leaders that want the same things they do...instead of a theocracy
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't care if he wins or loses personally as long as it doesn't effect me/us, I don't care about him one way or the other. I care about the country. Some are totally consumed with him going down they cheer, create false narratives, even advocate for failure because they hate him and his celebrity. Its hysteria, though Dems aren't the only ones, same was true for Obama to some extent.

This was a reset of American foreign policy by all appearances. A terrorist was eliminated, and the consequence appears to be negligible. It appears to be a win at this time. Just be happy it was even if it's not what you wanted is all I'm saying. Pretty simple.
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Trump is backing down?
 
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volfanhill said:
Looks like Trump handled it correctly. Iran made sure they didn’t hurt our people. They had to respond to save face, and not get rocked, this was the way. Trump gets to not respond without breaking his promise. So if this holds give the admin credit. But I know many of you can’t.
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I could give Trump credit... if he hadn't already escalated the hostility with his threats to respond "disproportionately" and attack Iranian cultural sites. That did not help the situation. Also, this isn't over. What happens if Hezbollah attacks the U.S. embassy in Baghdad? Does the United States hold Iran accountable or not? It's a complicated situation. I can't say that Trump has handled this in a deft manner, even though at least so far, it doesn't appear as though there have been any American casualties.
 
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Persian Vol said:
From Iran’s actions it seems clear that Iran has no intention of going to war with us and did the bare minimum in retaliation. Based off Trump’s tweet it seems like he knows this too.

Well gentleman, that was definitely a ride.
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Solinani's funeral was tonight so it fits..still have hope in the Iranian youth engaging in a slow peaceful revolution toward freedom
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I could give Trump credit... if he hadn't already escalated the hostility with his threats to respond "disproportionately" and attack Iranian cultural sites. That did not help the situation. Also, this isn't over. What happens if Hezbollah attacks the U.S. embassy in Baghdad? Does the United States hold Iran accountable or not? It's a complicated situation. I can't say that Trump has handled this in a deft manner, even though at least so far, it doesn't appear as though there have been any American casualties.
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How do you know? Are you expert on Iranian leadership motivations?

Decades of appeasement talk didn't make things better/worse. Who knows if these tweets did or not. Pure speculation parading as fact.
 
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volinbham said:
How do you know? Are you expert on Iranian leadership motivations?

Decades of appeasement talk didn't make things better/worse. Who knows if these tweets did or not. Pure speculation parading as fact.
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No, but I can exercise common sense. Trump's rhetoric was anything but diplomatic... and from what I've read, experts in the region are in accord with that belief.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I could give Trump credit... if he hadn't already escalated the hostility with his threats to respond "disproportionately" and attack Iranian cultural sites. That did not help the situation. Also, this isn't over. What happens if Hezbollah attacks the U.S. embassy in Baghdad? Does the United States hold Iran accountable or not? It's a complicated situation. I can't say that Trump has handled this in a deft manner, even though at least so far, it doesn't appear as though there have been any American casualties.
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How do you know his threats didn't make the regime think twice and measure its response?

Fact is we don't.
 
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KB5252 said:
How do you know his threats didn't make the regime think twice and measure is response?

Fact is we don't.
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yep. Iran's rhetoric has always been extreme. It's not crazy to think that's what they respond to. 4 decades of not responding that way didn't do squat.

I don't know if it helped or not but I do know the previous approach made no appreciable impact
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, but I can exercise common sense. Trump's rhetoric was anything but diplomatic... and from what I've read, experts in the region are in accord with that belief.
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Regimes like these do not respond to diplomacy as we understand the term. They respond to power and force. They exploit diplomacy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm confused by Trumpsters claiming "we won." Didn't Trump promise to retaliate for this with missile strikes? Shouldn't we wait to declare victory until after it's over?
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He hasn't retaliated against anyone unless an American was killed. That's always been his line in the sand.
 
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Heard a blurb about some cyber attacks apparently from Iran. Several on Texas?? Anybody else find anything on that?
 
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Trump-All is well
Trump-All is well, and good night.
Trump-All is well-good night-make statement in the morning.
 
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KB5252 said:
Regimes like these do not respond to diplomacy as we understand the term. They respond to power and force. They exploit diplomacy.
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case in point - the economic sanctions brought them to the table for the nuke deal which loosened the sanctions and they went back to the same old crap. Diplomacy didn't bring them to the table.
 
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