US may have killed Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani

[BowlBrother85]

What did they say?

Maloney has been very critical of Trump's threat to attack Iranian cultural sites... not because it could lead to a war with Iran, but because such a threat can be used by Hezbollah to radicalize and recruit new members. Brookings does say that the real threats to American troops currently in Iraq are not from the Iranian government, they are from Hezbollah, who will also launch their own retaliatory attacks. Now, when that happens, does the United States hold Iran responsible, or not? I don't know the right thing to do either, it's very complicated.

 

[Orangeburst]

I'm just holding him to his threat. Personally I'm glad it appears likely to calm down.

But that is happening because Trump's threats were once again empty rhetoric.

Either way you will get to label him a lying pussy or a warmonger.

You have mental issues.

 

[1972 Grad]

How many US troops died?

Not nearly as many as the left wanted to see die because dead troops would make Trump look bad, and give them a reason to mobilize the crazies and take to the streets for protests. #MeToo and DACA couldn't get enough of them in the streets.

 

[AM64]

Pray for the people who dont deserve the collateral damage too. Good point.

Sometimes you have to stop and ask if there really innocents in totalitarian regimes whether they are religious or secular - whether Islamic, Catholic, Nazi, or communist. Did the average Joes just roll over? If the

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
.
.
.
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

concept is true in so many places, then this country is truly exceptional, and we should learn from the fate of others and embrace our strength and resolve.

 

[volinbham]

I'm just holding him to his threat. Personally I'm glad it appears likely to calm down.

But that is happening because Trump's threats were once again empty rhetoric.

makes you more Trump than Trump but whatever.

 

[1972 Grad]

I sober up for three days and a war breaks out

Ape, my man!

 

[apevol]

Ape, my man!

Yo!

 

[hjeagle1vol]

I sober up for three days and a war breaks out

Need anything brother?

 

[Matt2496]

 

[vols40]

Speaking in terms of political "wins" and "losses" at such a time would be incredibly petty of anyone... but you do seem preoccupied with them yourself.

So we kill their terrorist general and as it looks now no us casualties and appears now this may just be over and Democrats see that as not a win for the good guys?

 

[AirVol]

Wonder who of importance was on the plane ?

 

[hjeagle1vol]

So we kill their terrorist general and as it looks now no us casualties and appears now this may just be over and Democrats see that as not a win for the good guys?

Just wait for it...there's a moral lesson in there somewhere bowlsmoker bout to break down and preach on lol

 

[volinbham]

Maloney has been very critical of Trump's threat to attack Iranian cultural sites... not because it could lead to a war with Iran, but because such a threat can be used by Hezbollah to radicalize and recruit new members. Brookings does say that the real threats to American troops currently in Iraq are not from the Iranian government, they are from Hezbollah, who will also launch their own retaliatory attacks. Now, when that happens, does the United States hold Iran responsible, or not? I don't know the right thing to do either, it's very complicated.

They are entitled to their opinions but given the predictions of what Iran might do in response to what they have done perhaps the "we have to talk nice to them" strategy is over rated. I'm not a fan of saber rattling per se but at this point we simply do not know if the words made matters worse, better or had no impact. All are assessing from their view of how to conduct international affairs. I'll go back to what we know. For 40 years we've used the "right" words. Iran acted when Reagan hit the Iranian Navy and when their economy was being tanked by international sanctions. In between the world used civilized words to convince them to be good international actors and they thumbed their noses and proceeded with business as usual.

you know the old saying about doing things the same way over and over and expecting different results.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So we kill their terrorist general and as it looks now no us casualties and appears now this may just be over and Democrats see that as not a win for the good guys?

Is it good for the United States? Sure. I'm saying this should have nothing to do with playing politics.

...and with the "proxy" groups that Iran has in Iraq? This isn't over. In particular, I would expect the Hezbollah terrorists to also launch a retaliatory strike against American targets. The question is, when that happens, do we hold Iran responsible or not?

 

[1972 Grad]

Yo!

A little music for you.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM_3KrNOZxM

 

[vols40]

Just wait for it...there's a moral lesson in there somewhere bowlsmoker bout to break down and preach on lol

My favorite thing on Volnation is reading the wit and wisdom of him septic tank and lex luther

 

[KB5252]

He said he would retaliate if US forces or assets hit. That appears to be the case. Trump is a p*ssy. Surprised conservatives would support his cowering to this attack.

Give it up.

 

[tim]

Is it good for the United States? Sure. I'm saying this should have nothing to do with playing politics.

...and with the "proxy" groups that Iran has in Iraq? This isn't over. In particular, I would expect Hezbollah to also launch a retaliatory strike against American targets. The question is, when that happens, do we hold Iran responsible or not?

Indirectly we would. If Hez gets heavily involved expect an Isis type of dismantling with leadership taking heavy casualties. Leadership not necessarily on the frontline or the battlefield. Jmo

 

[volinbham]

Is it good for the United States? Sure. I'm saying this should have nothing to do with playing politics.

...and with the "proxy" groups that Iran has in Iraq? This isn't over. In particular, I would expect Hezbollah to also launch a retaliatory strike against American targets. The question is, when that happens, do we hold Iran responsible or not?

I agree - we are back to pre-Soleimani. Though we don't know if the replacement will be as zealous as he was. He may have been a bit rogue (again, the Intercept article is interesting).

I imagine that if we link Iran to proxy actions we'll be responding.

 

[vols40]

Is it good for the United States? Sure. I'm saying this should have nothing to do with playing politics.

...and with the "proxy" groups that Iran has in Iraq? This isn't over. In particular, I would expect the Hezbollah terrorists to also launch a retaliatory strike against American targets. The question is, when that happens, do we hold Iran responsible or not?

Yes we do. But let me ask you this in all your brilliance do you think those "proxy groups" are going to continue to do the heavy lifting for a broke ass country? Those proxy groups are paid goons not doing it just for funsies

 

[AM64]

China was the supply routes.

Russia was the guns, supplies, and petrol.

This isn’t my opinion. It’s history.

Our fearless analysts didn't analyze things well either. Russia needed our grain desperately enough to sell out Vietnam in the early 70s and China and Vietnam had traditionally been enemies. We probably had far better cards to play in Vietnam if people hadn't been timid. Nixon did what LBJ wouldn't, and it worked until congress sold everybody out and turned off the money.

 

[Orangeburst]

Gosh....of all places Ukraine? We are in bizarro world.

 

[hjeagle1vol]

A little music for you.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM_3KrNOZxM

I'm close enough to your "spring" plantin season, and "Fall" harvest season ,,,2nd or 3rd home rich ole famer ass home in NC if ya need a good trimmer...I work on %.

 

[tim]

Yes we do. But let me ask you this in all your brilliance do you think those "proxy groups" are going to continue to do the heavy lifting for a broke ass country? Those proxy groups are paid goons not doing it just for funsies

This. And does a broke ass country continue to have the energy to fight like that? Hungry people wont fight very long

 

[KB5252]

Maloney has been very critical of Trump's threat to attack Iranian cultural sites... not because it could lead to a war with Iran, but because such a threat can be used by Hezbollah to radicalize and recruit new members. Brookings does say that the real threats to American troops currently in Iraq are not from the Iranian government, they are from Hezbollah, who will also launch their own retaliatory attacks. Now, when that happens, does the United States hold Iran responsible, or not? I don't know the right thing to do either, it's very complicated.

Who do you think jerks Hezbollah's chain?.