US may have killed Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani

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hog88 said:
Then take it up with the courts Don Quixote.
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I'll get nowhere. I'd rather call you out for acting like rule of law, and to a lesser extent, restrained government, means so much to you when it's convenient and then you take this position.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'll get nowhere. I'd rather call you out for acting like rule of law, and to a lesser extent, restrained government, means so much to you when it's convenient and then you take this position.
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Wouldn't it be easier for you to just say "I felt like being an ass"?

It's shorter.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
What I read said the guy started filming after the first hit. So the video is showing the second hit. This is consistent with US intelligence saying two missiles were fired.
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Guilty. I just looked at the pictures, and I almost never have audio turned up on my computer.
 
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n_huffhines said:
We're not at war with Afghanistan, either.

My concern is that we will get more entangled in the ME, whether it's called war or not.
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True, my opinion is we shouldn't be there period. Let them do them and when i say do, i understand they will go completely tribal because democratic republic is not and will never be in their wheelhouse. If 18 years in Iraq hasn't made them capable of standing on their own 2 feet, they aren't ever going to make it. Nation shaping fails again and again.
We need to leave, take our assets to near bases and engage the state dept and nato.
Cut the funding and "bribes" and let the ME be the ME. Continue with sanctions until they figure it out.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
True, my opinion is we shouldn't be there period. Let them do them and when i say do, i understand they will go completely tribal because democratic republic is not and will never be in their wheelhouse. If 18 years in Iraq hasn't made them capable of standing on their own 2 feet, they aren't ever going to make it. Nation shaping fails again and again.
We need to leave, take our assets to near bases and engage the state dept and nato.
Cut the funding and "bribes" and let the ME be the ME. Continue with sanctions until they figure it out.
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Yes to everything but the sanctions. Sanctions have a long, proven history of mostly failure and they often backfire or hurt innocents.
 
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luthervol said:
I think the discussion is now centered more on his stated justifications. What the president does not have is the freedom to decide who is a threat, and how and when that threat will be eliminated without the willingness and ability to explain and justify his actions.

Was Obama's defense of his actions so poor that members of his own party claimed.........
"They had to leave after 75 minutes while they're in the process of telling us that we need to be good little boys and girls and run along and not debate this in public. I find this absolutely insane."
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Yes, he does have unilateral, constitutional power to decide a guy soaked in the blood of thousands of U.S. and coalition troops is a damned threat - how is that even a real question! - and the time, place, and means to eliminate him. They did explain their actions in the brief and publicly, and presidents have no constitutional obligation to preface such action TO ANYONE beforehand.

"The only people complaining are 'Peach Fowty-Figh' Democrats and two effete Libertarians" which is why neither ideological adherent can be trusted with national security.
 
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n_huffhines said:
We're not at war with Afghanistan, either.

My concern is that we will get more entangled in the ME, whether it's called war or not.
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I hope we gtfo of the ME all together, we can reach out and touch almost anyone, anywhere at anytime. Leave intelligence on the ground and get the boots off of it.

It was always a fools errand to believe we could change hearts and minds in any meaningful way, the Russians have been laughing at us for a decade as we muck about Afghanistan like they did.
 
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hog88 said:
It's not hypocritical to point out that something is legal because of the law and still disagree with the law.
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I don't care if you disagree or agree with the law. That's completely beside the point. You're calling it legal, but no originalist would call it "legal". The WPA is unconstitutional. What you're saying is "everybody breaks the law on this, so it's OK." Either that, or you're not an originalist/strict rule of law guy.
 
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hog88 said:
Tell your buddies to get on with it then.
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I haven't said that any of Trump's actions in this particular situation have been wrong. I don't know.
But it seems like some members of his own party aren't sold on the legitimacy. (raises questions)
 
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damn, there are more conspiracy wack jobs in here than the number of kids rubbing creepy Joe's legs. And according to Joe that's quite a few.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A convincing argument can certainly be made that this is at least partly Trump's fault. His unjustified and illegal attack caused a response by Iran, which led them to fire on the plane by accident. You can also also blame the civilian authorities for allowing a plane to take off as that situation remained uncertain. And of course the Iranians for firing it mistakenly. But morally and perhaps legally Trump bears some responsibility.
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You Left out the events before the
"unjustified attack"
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't care if you disagree or agree with the law. That's completely beside the point. You're calling it legal, but no originalist would call it "legal". The WPA is unconstitutional. What you're saying is "everybody breaks the law on this, so it's OK." Either that, or you're not an originalist/strict rule of law guy.
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Ever now and then I forget why I ignore you then you're quick to remind me.
 
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