US may have killed Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani

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luthervol said:
I haven't said that any of Trump's actions in this particular situation have been wrong. I don't know.
But it seems like some members of his own party aren't sold on the legitimacy. (raises questions)
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It's a good thing when a political party isn't in lockstep.
 
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volfanhill said:
So killing a recognized terrorist, by multiple administrations, could rise to any of those three in your opinion?
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No, I don't think that in this instance anything rises anywhere near to the level of justifying any of the three.
 
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luthervol said:
I haven't said that any of Trump's actions in this particular situation have been wrong. I don't know.
But it seems like some members of his own party aren't sold on the legitimacy. (raises questions)
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The pos was a recognized terrorist by multiple administrations. That’s the justification. It’s all that’s required. I often think that Trump sycophants live in la-la land but you and LG are being beyond ridiculous and stupid.
 
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volfanhill said:
The pos was a recognized terrorist by multiple administrations. That’s the justification. It’s all that’s required. I often think that Trump sycophants live in la-la land but you and LG are being beyond ridiculous and stupid.
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What's stupid about asking him to inform congress of the imminent threats that he claims led to his decision?
 
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37L1 said:
Guess who?
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Lol... yeah I found it already 😂
lawgator1 said:
A convincing argument can certainly be made that this is at least partly Trump's fault. His unjustified and illegal attack caused a response by Iran, which led them to fire on the plane by accident. You can also also blame the civilian authorities for allowing a plane to take off as that situation remained uncertain. And of course the Iranians for firing it mistakenly. But morally and perhaps legally Trump bears some responsibility.
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hog88 said:
Ever now and then I forget why I ignore you then you're quick to remind me.
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You ignore me because I hold you accountable. Honestly, I think you have way more sense than 99% of the people on here, but then you play this game where you pretend to be against all this waste and corruption, but you defend the worst of Republicans and never actually champion the guys who seem to be fighting it the hardest. In fact, you oppose them. I don't understand how you can keep fooling yourself.
 
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luthervol said:
What's stupid about asking him to inform congress of the imminent threats that he claims led to his decision?
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Because the guy was a designated terrorist by multiple administrations. Responsible for the death of many many US soldiers. If they have to ask what the justification is then they shouldn’t be in office. If you want to debate if it was a smart escalation or proportionate response to the death of a US contractor then that’s a legitimate debate. Justification for this guys death happened long ago.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A convincing argument can certainly be made that this is at least partly Trump's fault. His unjustified and illegal attack caused a response by Iran, which led them to fire on the plane by accident. You can also also blame the civilian authorities for allowing a plane to take off as that situation remained uncertain. And of course the Iranians for firing it mistakenly. But morally and perhaps legally Trump bears some responsibility.
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Partly his fault like if the little cutie in your avatar is gang-raped dressed like that, she's partly responsible.
Just 'no'.
 
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volfanhill said:
Because the guy was a designated terrorist by multiple administrations. Responsible for the death of many many US soldiers. If they have to ask what the justification is then they shouldn’t be in office. If you want to debate if it was a smart escalation or proportionate response to the death of a US contractor then that’s a legitimate debate. Justification for this guys death happened long ago.
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You skipped over the whole "imminent threat" part.
It was Trump who said multiple times that he took the action because of "imminent threat".
If that's true, congress should be informed.
If it's not true, which is increasingly appearing to be the case, Trump should stop lying.
 
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37L1 said:
So here's some more natural sequence of events:
Soleimani directing and aiding in acts that killed Americans (amongst many others, civilians included) was the proximate cause for him being labeled a terrorist by Obama. So he was fair game since 2011. He directed the recent occupation of the US Embassy in Baghdad. Soleimani's terrorism was the proximate cause of his death and the Iranians are responsible for us having to kill him. Therefore the Iranians are responsible for all proximate acts including the downing of the airliner. And they owe us for the cost of the missile used to terminate him.

Is that how this works?
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Sure, but you look more closely in time to the event that more immediately caused the next.
 
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luthervol said:
You skipped over the whole "imminent threat" part.
It was Trump who said multiple times that he took the action because of "imminent threat".
If that's true, congress should be informed.
If it's not true, which is increasingly appearing to be the case, Trump should stop lying.
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Sure he should stop lying. Do you think that guy wasn’t waking up every morning trying to come up with ways to kill more of our troops? The guy was a constant threat. He had every legal justification for taking him out.
 
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luthervol said:
You skipped over the whole "imminent threat" part.
It was Trump who said multiple times that he took the action because of "imminent threat".
If that's true, congress should be informed.
If it's not true, which is increasingly appearing to be the case, Trump should stop lying.
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Obviously I agree with you 100 percent. But fact is he won't stop lying. He has no conscience,in his personal life or public. People are to be used. Fungible goods. Just all for his grandiose sense of self.

His parents did a lousy job in terms of raising a decent human being.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Oh no, they're totally insane. Responsible, small government is fkn nuts.

$22T of debt and endless wars = sanity
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Nope. However, it doesn't matter if the father and son whacko set are fiscal conservatives or not. The electorate wants free stuff and not being a pure democracy, they can't empty the treasury themselves; therefore, they have to elect the people who will do that for them. You won't see fiscal conservatives again ever most likely, but certainly not until the electorate itself changes. The rise of the liberals and instant demise of the Tea Party should be proof enough of that for you.
 
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