US may have killed Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani

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lawgator1 said:
Wait another second. The administration is saying that the reason this was done was to prevent an imminent attack planned by Soleimani. You are saying it was retribution for prior attacks.

I agree that we have plans to meet Iranian aggression. Doesn't mean we have to invite the need to do so. Unintended consequences....

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Both, it was retribution and preventing an imminent attack based on intelligence from what we've been told so far. You are acting as if these two things are mutually exclusive when they don't have to be. I understand skepticism but you're pretending this can't possibly be factual when it clearly can.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I’m loving watching Mick switch back and forth defending the IC community when they go against Trump then tear it down by calling them GOPers when the same ones collect info for Trump . I bet it really messes with his mind . Lol
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Let me know when I start doing that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Wait another second. The administration is saying that the reason this was done was to prevent an imminent attack planned by Soleimani. You are saying it was retribution for prior attacks.

I agree that we have plans to meet Iranian aggression. Doesn't mean we have to invite the need to do so. Unintended consequences....

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Depends on what exactly is meant by "imminent attack." Did they have intel that Iranian proxies were going to attack XYZ on Tuesday, January 7 at 3:00 PM? I doubt it. Did they suspect he was up to something, perhaps something bigger and more coordinated than previous attacks, given he'd been hopping between Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon lately? Probably. The frequency of his travel had increased lately.

Having said that, I don't think this was spur-of-the-moment at all. Obviously they had been tracking him and knew his whereabouts. Both Dubya and Obama passed on the opportunity to take him out; a targeted killing of him is something that was on "a list" for years. An assassination of Soleimani was on a list of potential responses that was presented to Trump, along with a bunch of other things.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The skepticism of Trump is amplified, given his penchant for using the office to promote his own ends. So yes, I would expect people to be a bit circumspect about this. Would be irresponsible to take his word for it.
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Would you have taken any Presidents word for it? We should always be suspect of our leaders motives.
 
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volinbham said:
oooh - whataboutism; the charge whenever someone exposes your partisanship.
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How is that partisanship? They're similar but why the whataboutism? There's a thread about it so why rehash it here? They're not trying to kick us out of there too are they?
 
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KB5252 said:
Both, it was retribution and preventing an imminent attack based on intelligence from what we've been told so far. You are acting as if these two things are mutually exclusive when they don't have to be. I understand skepticism but you're pretending this can't possibly be factual when it clearly can.
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The reason given to do it NOW was because of the imminent attack.

True? Not true?

What do you think?

And is it not fair for Congress to want to see some evidence of that? I think it certainly is, ESPECIALLY because it is Trump and ESPECIALLY given the timing.
 
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05_never_again said:
Depends on what exactly is meant by "imminent attack." Did they have intel that Iranian proxies were going to attack XYZ on Tuesday, January 7 at 3:00 PM? I doubt it. Did they suspect he was up to something, perhaps something bigger and more coordinated than previous attacks, given he'd been hopping between Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon lately? Probably. The frequency of his travel had increased lately.

Having said that, I don't think this was spur-of-the-moment at all. Obviously they had been tracking him and knew his whereabouts. Both Dubya and Obama passed on the opportunity to take him out; a targeted killing of him is something that was on "a list" for years. An assassination of Soleimani was on a list of potential responses that was presented to Trump, along with a bunch of other things.
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Fair enough, but something tipped the scales for him to do it now. It has been passed up before, including by Trump. So what changed?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fair enough, but something tipped the scales for him to do it now. It has been passed up before, including by Trump. So what changed?
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Absolutely can't discount that impeachment/re-election campaign has something to do with it. I think that played a role, as did the fact that the embassy protest a couple days prior had parallels to Benghazi, which conservatives attacked Obama & Co. endlessly for. Wanted to draw a contrast, both to Iran and a domestic political audience, that he's taking a different course.
 
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05_never_again said:
Absolutely can't discount that impeachment/re-election campaign has something to do with it. I think that played a role, as did the fact that the embassy protest a couple days prior had parallels to Benghazi, which conservatives attacked Obama & Co. endlessly for. Wanted to draw a contrast, both to Iran and a domestic political audience, that he's taking a different course.
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That is what worries me -- that he did this in significant part to distract from impeachment, despite the possible consequences.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Most of who wasn't alive? You do not think LBJ or others were progressive?
And yet liberals today bitch about the current state of NATO affairs because of Trump.
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Most of the people on the planet and most liberals in particular which you were alluding to. I'm one of the oldest people on the board and I was barely in HS then. I do remember it and I remember most Americans were concerned with France's stance at the time.
Anyone with any sense can see that Trump is weakening the NATO alliance to the benefit of Russia. If you think that's good well you are entitled to your opinion. I think it is not.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That is what worries me -- that he did this in significant part to distract from impeachment, despite the possible consequences.
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Even if he did it to distract from impeachment, this is an option that has been considered for years, even before Iran had obtained this level of influence in Iraq (which they were able to obtain because we invaded). They've been puppetmasters in Lebanon and Syria for decades. It isn't like he pulled it out of completely nowhere. It totally could be a "right decision, wrong reason" type thing. I'm not convinced it was the right decision, although a lot (not all) of the criticism from the left is inconsistent and ties itself up in knots.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The reason given to do it NOW was because of the imminent attack.

True? Not true?

What do you think?

And is it not fair for Congress to want to see some evidence of that? I think it certainly is, ESPECIALLY because it is Trump and ESPECIALLY given the timing.
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True, that was the reason given.

Imminent attack can mean a number of things. I think it likely he was in Iraq to stir up/organize and recruit for attacks. The attack on the embassy being the starting point.

As pointed out by others embassy attacks are touchy for any country but especially so considering our shared past with Iran. I believe Iran thought that because they were using proxies we would not take a hard line and hold them accountable as they continued to ramp up their efforts in the region. They were wrong, e knew what he was up to and where he would be a unique opportunity presented itself and we took it avenging countless deaths of westerners and cutting the head of the snake that was waiting to strike so to speak. They could not deny it because of the target we hit and where we hit it, they were caught red handed.

I believe that the info should be shared with Congress in due time. If it is not shared right away I would like to think it is to protect assets, keep secure intelligence channels flowing and to not tip any hands. That is somewhat understandable considering the hostility many members in very key positions have. Both sides would use any opportunity to score some partisan points.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That is what worries me -- that he did this in significant part to distract from impeachment, despite the possible consequences.
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Most righties will tell you that Trump is this brilliant strategist playing his 3D chess and all. BS, he wakes up every morning and asks what can I do for Trump today? I'm sure he thought everyone would rally around him after this strike. Instead his loyalists in Congress are left trying to justify his lunacy.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Most righties will tell you that Trump is this brilliant strategist playing his 3D chess and all. BS, he wakes up every morning and asks what can I do for Trump today? I'm sure he thought everyone would rally around him after this strike. Instead his loyalists in Congress are left trying to justify his lunacy.
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He isnt brilliant which makes his constant flexes and denigration of all libs that much more hilarious.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Most righties will tell you that Trump is this brilliant strategist playing his 3D chess and all. BS, he wakes up every morning and asks what can I do for Trump today? I'm sure he thought everyone would rally around him after this strike. Instead his loyalists in Congress are left trying to justify his lunacy.
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You do see the irony in you bashing the rights perception of Trump as being wrong and then turning right around a giving the lefts perception of him as being the correct one , don’t you ? Lol
 
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