US may have killed Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani

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marcusluvsvols said:
That's not our job though WTOB...they need to revolt. If they attack us or Israel now.. we should level every military target in the country...then let THEM oust the Mullahs which by all accounts they want to do already...

We may get to see how well those Russian S400 SAM sites fare against tomahawks and stealth bombers.

The little confidence Carlos has in our army gives me pause...since hes a soldier.

I come from a USAF family. Our air dominance is never in question. We can put their military out of commission from the skies whenever we want. Israel and the UK will join us...after the air defenses are gone.

Your move Iran. Choose wisely
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1)The UK isn't following us into a war in Iraq after what happened in Iraq.


Jahara Matisek who is professor in the Military and Strategic Studies department at the Air Force Academy and Maj. Jon McPhilamy who is an instructor in the Military and Strategic Studies department at the Air Force Academy gave a lecture on why you can't win with just airpower and why landpower will always be the main ingredient for military success.
 
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So people are seriously trying to sound this as Trump trumping up a war? I shouldn't be surprised. There's plenty you could criticize but this just doesn't seem plausible. A lot more negative can be spun during a campaign than positive.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So doing a quick google search these latest agreements appear to be a revival of the 1975 Algiers Accord. That was primarily economic and I see nothing pertaining to military/defense cooperation. NAFTA or it’s current replacement doesn’t allow military personnel to move across sovereign nation boundaries. So I don’t see anything that says Iraq wanted this guy in their country. 🤷‍♂️
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Iran and Iraq sign accord to boost military cooperation
 
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carlos86 said:
1)The UK isn't following us into a war in Iraq after what happened in Iraq.


Jahara Matisek who is professor in the Military and Strategic Studies department at the Air Force Academy and Maj. Jon McPhilamy gave a lecture an instructor in the Military and Strategic Studies department at the Air Force Academy gave a lecture on why you can't win with just airpower and why landpower will always be the main ingredient for military success.
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Wouldn’t surprise if the Brits weren’t involved at some point with this though and perhaps the French.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Well, I'm torn on if this was a good thing or not after some more reading. Dude that was killed was a terrorist and deserved what he got. He was also a high up official in Iran; I'm not sure he was worth the risk of things going to hell. He also actively fought against ISIS in Iraq.
This seems like a favor to Israel to me, and a response to the protests at the Embassy the other night.
None of this seems like "4d chess" by Trump. He isn't capable of anything like that. It seems like a straight favor to Israel, and probably an overreaction to the Embassy protests as a show of force.
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I’m shocked you came to that conclusion . Too bad pete wasn’t the president to make the call . I’m sure his chess game is far superior to all the advisors , generals , IC and Trump . You guys do realize Trump was just the one to ok the mission right , I’m positive he had people on both sides of the argument discussing the pros and cons of it . It does make me laugh at how when it’s someone else it’s just a well thought out plan that needed to be done . When Trump is in office , well ... he probably just woke up from a nap and said go kill somebody . Smh . You people are funny .
 
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KB5252 said:
So people are seriously trying to sound this as Trump trumping up a war? I shouldn't be surprised. There's plenty you could criticize but this just doesn't seem plausible. A lot more negative can be spun during a campaign than positive.
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This all that I'm arguing. I'm not arguing that Trump was wrong for killing him. I'm arguing that the long term affects and implications were not considered. In other words what our long game???
 
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zeppelin128 said:
And so are you? We are dudes on a message board. What the hell do you expect?
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Because you are throwing out unsubstantiated claims that it is a "favor" to Israel, without any historical context and trying to make your determination in past couple hours. That is the hell why.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I’m shocked you came to that conclusion . Too bad pete wasn’t the president to make the call . I’m sure his chess game is far superior to all the advisors , generals , IC and Trump . You guys do realize Trump was just the one to ok the mission right , I’m positive he had people on both sides of the argument discussing the pros and cons of it . It does make me laugh at how when it’s someone else it’s just a well thought out plan that needed to be done . When Trump is in office , well ... he probably just woke up from a nap and said go kill somebody . Smh . You people are funny .
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I'm aware Trump just gave the okay. Change every instance of Trump in your post with Obama, and agree with it just the same. Go on, do it. Let's be fair.
 
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Even though you can’t see us..we are always watching...just imagine you going out like this👀😂😂😂 trump is a bad ass

An official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said al-Muhandis had arrived to the airport in a convoy to receive Soleimani whose plane had arrived from either Lebanon or Syria. The airstrike occurred as soon as Soleimani descended from the plane to be greeted by al-Muhandis and his companions, killing them all.

"The remarkable thing of it is the intelligence that's been collected to find out where he is, where he's going, and when he's going there,"

-Oliver North
 
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Orangeburst said:
Because you are throwing out unsubstantiated claims that it is a "favor" to Israel, without any historical context and trying to make your determination in past couple hours. That is the hell why.
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It isn't unsubstantiated. Pompeo already said dude was responsible for Hezbollah and Palestinian attacks against Israel. It is in the news, and in the DOD statement if I recall correctly (might be wrong on the last bit, can't remember for sure).
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I'm aware Trump just gave the okay. Change every instance of Trump in your post with Obama, and agree with it just the same. Go on, do it. Let's be fair.
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Me ? Ok poof it’s Obama ... still gets the same reports , still has to make the call . I’ll do you one better ...( magic wand time ) POOF, it’s Pete ... still gets the same reports , still has to make the call . The only difference is YOU wouldn’t be saying Pete did it as a favor to Israel you be talking about how well thought out, carefully considered and planned it probably was . You let your anti Trump slip show is the only difference here .
 
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carlos86 said:
This all that I'm arguing. I'm not arguing that Trump was wrong for killing him. I'm arguing that the long term affects and implications were not considered. In other words what our long game???
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Maybe maybe not, I understand the hesitation but if you have the capability to do something and you don't, and the threat is still there coiled and striking you and others then YOU totally respond unless the bark is worse than the bite. In this case the bite was substantial and there was threat of more. No action gave us Syria. What would no action look like in Iraq? Maybe that was the reason for the response

I'm no expert but sitting the last one out seems a much easier decision than this one was.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Me ? Ok poof it’s Obama ... still gets the same reports , still has to make the call . I’ll do you one better ...( magic wand time ) POOF, it’s Pete ... still gets the same reports , still has to make the call . The only difference is YOU wouldn’t be saying Pete did it as a favor to Israel you be talking about how well thought out, carefully considered and planned it probably was . You let your anti Trump slip show is the only difference here .
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Well, I mean of course Pete would have the solution and the best answer ever. That is a bad comparison. :)
 
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Just keep our allies in mind too. It’s not just our guys who are going to be caught up in it if things go south.
 
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All partisan bs aside , no matter who is sitting in the oval , that would be a very tough decision and a lot of things to weigh out before giving the nod or letting the opportunity go . I’m guessing these are the types of decisions that make presidents grey headed .
 
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I'm going to think on this one tonight. There have been some random attacks here in the US recently, possibly related? There's always more to the story, multiple facets to consider.
 
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carlos86 said:
1)The UK isn't following us into a war in Iraq after what happened in Iraq.


Jahara Matisek who is professor in the Military and Strategic Studies department at the Air Force Academy and Maj. Jon McPhilamy who is an instructor in the Military and Strategic Studies department at the Air Force Academy gave a lecture on why you can't win with just airpower and why landpower will always be the main ingredient for military success.
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What were their main points? What can only be achieved via landpower?
 
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carlos86 said:
Iran and Iraq sign accord to boost military cooperation
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Interesting. The details of the document would be interesting but none were available in the link. That was signed in 2017. But much of the brouhaha lately came in March 2019 with the economic agreements I was referring to which appear to be a revival of the 1975 agreements. Those went by the wayside when Saddam rose to power and went to war with Iran.
 
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