US State Department Stirring It Up With Iran...

#326
#326
Who Really Gains From The Gulf Ship "Sabotage"?

Typically, Western news media are “reporting” (or rather, “echoing”) the purported sabotage incident as if it were fact, basing their source of information on Saudi and Emirati officials, sources which have a vested interest in creating a war pretext against Iran.

Given the grotesque, barefaced lies that have emanated from the Saudi regime over the past year with regard to the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and also its barbaric, mass executions of political dissidents, it is nauseating how Western media can affect to be so credulous in citing Saudi claims as reliable over the latest alleged shipping incident.
Click to expand...
 
#328
#328
MercyPercy said:
Marcus, you are more likely to be struck by lightning than attacked by terrorists in the US. that is why people are saying this border threat is overhyped. There is always an element of danger involved in living in a free country. One of your church members who had a bad day at work is far more likely to snap and shoot up the place than a muslim terrorist that crossed the southern border. If you spend all your time obsessing and raging about something so unlikely to happen.. the people who push these narratives and want you to be emotionally driven and angry win. And so do the terrorists that want to scare Americans into making poor decisions out of fear. They want a holy war and you seem obliged to give it to them.
Click to expand...


Velo Vol said:
People are bad at statistically assessing risk.
Click to expand...

Percy, i agree with you. Velo..i am strong in math and understand calculated risk. My family and I dont live in fear, we dont have to. There is a reason for that. Mostly geography to be honest, 2 big oceans.

Just because MY family isnt likely to be targeted by terrorists, those odds may be 100 million to 1...that would be 3 americans a year, right? Could be more, or less.

The odds of 10,000 unchecked muslims perpetrating 1 terrorist attack are very high. I would say maybe even 1 to 1 if left unchecked...and that 1 is 1 too many. Period. Any islamic terror attack in the US or on US citizens abroad is garbage, and every possible effort to prevent that should be used. I personally have read about a terrorist training ground, where kids corpse was found, in Arizona, right next to the border..then read they believe the 1 in alabama to be connected somehow. That is not OK with me. I have told yall before, and it is something that i 100% absolutely do not want to happen, but if they start blowing up churches in the US like they did abroad, things will get sideways, and quick. The Bible belt is armed to the teeth, and Christians will not lay down here like elsewhere. I dont know a single Christian that wants conflict. Not one. But the ones that i know are very serious about protecting their families and places of worship. Very serious. Kind, God fearing people. Older people, your neighbors and elders.

Nevermind the fact that securing borders has been common sense since the birth of civilization, and that nearly every 1st world country on Earth has contolled entry and checkpoints anywhere people can pass from 1 country to another.

The question isn't should we build a wall? Its why did we allow 30 million people, at least, to cross into our country illegally and operate here without paying all the same taxes and social safety net costs that everyone else pays? Its insanity. How many countries, that socialists just LOVE to compare the US to when it comes to medical and other social constructs...how many of them have a TOTAL population that is less than 30 million??? Yep, we have more illegals here, in our schools, on welfare, getting free groceries...more illegals here than their ENTIRE populations. There are hundreds of thousands in jail and prison alone....that cost 30k plus a year, EACH, to feed and house.

Its insanity. Absolute insanity. Just like this liberal crap with making up more than 2 sexes...and calling normal people "cis male" and "cis female"...get out of here with this made up bullcrap. Thankfully there are still enough people in this country, for now, that know the difference between a boy and a girl, and a citizen and an illegal alien. Some of us arent buying this fictional crap. We know better.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tennvols77 and oz615
#329
#329
marcusluvsvols said:
Percy, i agree with you. Velo..i am strong in math and understand calculated risk. My family and I dont live in fear, we dont have to. There is a reason for that. Mostly geography to be honest, 2 big oceans.

Just because MY family isnt likely to be targeted by terrorists, those odds may be 100 million to 1...that would be 3 americans a year, right? Could be more, or less.

The odds of 10,000 unchecked muslims perpetrating 1 terrorist attack are very high. I would say maybe even 1 to 1 if left unchecked...and that 1 is 1 too many. Period. Any islamic terror attack in the US or on US citizens abroad is garbage, and every possible effort to prevent that should be used. I personally have read about a terrorist training ground, where kids corpse was found, in Arizona, right next to the border..then read they believe the 1 in alabama to be connected somehow. That is not OK with me. I have told yall before, and it is something that i 100% absolutely do not want to happen, but if they start blowing up churches in the US like they did abroad, things will get sideways, and quick. The Bible belt is armed to the teeth, and Christians will not lay down here like elsewhere. I dont know a single Christian that wants conflict. Not one. But the ones that i know are very serious about protecting their families and places of worship. Very serious. Kind, God fearing people. Older people, your neighbors and elders.

Nevermind the fact that securing borders has been common sense since the birth of civilization, and that nearly every 1st world country on Earth has contolled entry and checkpoints anywhere people can pass from 1 country to another.

The question isn't should we build a wall? Its why did we allow 30 million people, at least, to cross into our country illegally and operate here without paying all the same taxes and social safety net costs that everyone else pays? Its insanity. How many countries, that socialists just LOVE to compare the US to when it comes to medical and other social constructs...how many of them have a TOTAL population that is less than 30 million??? Yep, we have more illegals here, in our schools, on welfare, getting free groceries...more illegals here than their ENTIRE populations. There are hundreds of thousands in jail and prison alone....that cost 30k plus a year, EACH, to feed and house.

Its insanity. Absolute insanity. Just like this liberal crap with making up more than 2 sexes...and calling normal people "cis male" and "cis female"...get out of here with this made up bullcrap. Thankfully there are still enough people in this country, for now, that know the difference between a boy and a girl, and a citizen and an illegal alien. Some of us arent buying this fictional crap. We know better.
Click to expand...

Your odds of being killed by a domestic terrorist cop are higher than you being killed by a foreign Islamic terrorist.

What kind of punitive actions should we be using on these homegrown terrorists?
 
#330
#330
Ras i am all ears. I think cops should face stiffer penalties than citizens, and be investigated my feds or members of other agencies anytime they break the law, so they cant cover for their own. Not a cop hater, but i agree with you in many instances about them, and there is definitely some abuse. Not nearly at the % that the MSM makes it out to be, though.
 
#332
#332
Rasputin_Vol said:
Your odds of being killed by a domestic terrorist cop are higher than you being killed by a foreign Islamic terrorist.

What kind of punitive actions should we be using on these homegrown terrorists?
Click to expand...

You have higher odds of being killed by members of a backwoods militia or white nationalist then you would an Islamic terrorist.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hunerwadel, zeppelin128 and newarkvol
#333
#333
MercyPercy said:
I actually do health and life, group level. We don't cover folks overseas. Terrorism is a non-factor in the US.
Click to expand...
My woman is an actuary---property casualty....and a decent poker player....somehow fear became part of the national conversation after 9/11-----i guess to justify spending a trillion
 
#334
#334
carlos86 said:
One day one of my sister patrols was sitting at the ECP waiting go out. While they were waiting smoking and joking a Taliban member threw a 107mm rocket with the wire running out of it over the concrete barrier. Lucky they were to dumb to use a remote detector. Also in 2017 the Taliban crawled under wall and conducted a suicide bombing during the Air Force 5k. My overall point is that non political types whose job it is to evaluate national security threats to the U.S. have repeatedly stated that the situation at the border is not a major threat to us. The border has gone from an actual problem that could be solve to a political issue that is used to attempt to mobilize voters for elections. When the chairman of the Jonit Chiefs of Staff testified before Congress the border was not one of his top 5 pressing issues his top 5 were Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and transnational violent extremism. And no where in the top 15 is the situation at the border. Link the article because that’s literally something that I’ve read in a Tom Clancy book.
Click to expand...

Thank you..........
 
#335
#335
carlos86 said:
You have higher odds of being killed by members of a backwoods militia or white nationalist then you would an Islamic terrorist.
Click to expand...
Hey, the threat of death from militias, white supremacists/nationalists, or the police doesn't fit the narrative. Don't be messing with the forum like that.
 
#337
#337
Rasputin_Vol said:
Your odds of being killed by a domestic terrorist cop are higher than you being killed by a foreign Islamic terrorist.

What kind of punitive actions should we be using on these homegrown terrorists?
Click to expand...

Lol. Your fear of law enforcement and a few others on here is funny. You have a much less chance of being killed by law enforcement if you obey the law and if you’re not obeying the law then do what you’re told.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RDU VOL#14 and tennvols77
#339
#339
marcusluvsvols said:
I read an artice the other day that said the US gov and border patrol believes 10,000 islamic illegal immigrants, most thought to be radical, have entered our country through mexico in the last few years. It took 13 of them to kill 3,000 innocents in NY...

YOU might not think thats a big threat Carlos, but I sure as hell do. We all should. Those guys werent vetted. They werent searched for explosives or other weapons. They werent put anywhere that we can track them...thats huw you end up with terrorist training grounds like the one just discovered in alabama recently...thats how we end up with our worst nightmare, suicide vests in pur churches and grocery stores, that we have tried so hard to prevent.

I appreciate your service. Have told you that before. But as a soldier, who sees first hand how effective a fence is at stopping unwanted people getting on base in Afghan territory etc, i think it is being willfully ignorant for you to actlike we dont need one pn our southern border to stop the same thing. America doesnt have an open door policy. Period. Want to come here, there is a vetting process, and an immigration process. Without a secure border, that is all BS....and we are ALL AT RISk.

Liberals dont get to choose to make my wife and kids, our churches, schools, and stores vulnerable to suicide bombers like europe and the middle east. We are different here. Better. Safer. Thank the Lord, Trump is trying to keep it that way. Ask Israel how important that fence is.
Click to expand...



This is an extraordinary claim. Is there any official government documents or statistics to back this up or is it fear mongering? The article itself evidently confirms someone "believes" they are 10,000 of them and they are just "thought" to be radical.
 
#340
#340
carlos86 said:
You have higher odds of being killed by members of a backwoods militia or white nationalist then you would an Islamic terrorist.
Click to expand...

This is interesting logic. The odds are low so ignore the threat posed by thousands of illegals pouring into the country? Tell me, how likely are you to be shot by an ar15? How likely is a student to be killed or shot by one in a school shooting? How likely is a black man to be killed by a police officer? Give me some struck by lightning statistics on those too, and then answer me why the left is screaming at the top of their lungs about these issues, but when it comes to illegals or islamic terrorism we get the ol struck by lightning routine.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Obsessed, marcusluvsvols, GreyWolf1129 and 1 other person
#341
#341
615vols said:
This is interesting logic. The odds are low so ignore the threat posed by thousands of illegals pouring into the country? Tell me, how likely are you to be shot by an ar15? How likely is a student to be killed or shot by one in a school shooting? How likely is a black man to be killed by a police officer? Give me some struck by lightning statistics on those too, and then answer me why the left is screaming at the top of their lungs about these issues, but when it comes to illegals or islamic terrorism we get the ol struck by lightning routine.
Click to expand...

The odds of a school shooting happening are 1 in 63.
The odds of getting killed in a terror attack by a foreign-born Islamic terrorist is 1 in 45,785
The odds of getting killed by an illegal immigrant are 1 in 138,324,873
 
#342
#342
Hunerwadel said:
This is an extraordinary claim. Is there any official government documents or statistics to back this up or is it fear mongering? The article itself evidently confirms someone "believes" they are 10,000 of them and they are just "thought" to be radical.
Click to expand...

There are 15 cases even close to his claim.
15 suspected terrorists have been apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border, or en route, since 2001.

Of the 15 were prosecuted for crimes in North American courts. One is currently under Canadian prosecution for multiple attempted murder counts. Of the four in the United States, one was prosecuted for lying to the FBI about terrorism involvement, one for asylum fraud, one for providing material support to a terrorist organization, and one for illegal entry, false statements, and passport mutilation.
 
#343
#343
carlos86 said:
The odds of a school shooting happening are 1 in 63.
The odds of getting killed in a terror attack by a foreign-born Islamic terrorist is 1 in 45,785
The odds of getting killed by an illegal immigrant are 1 in 138,324,873
Click to expand...
Gotta call for a link so we know you aren't making up random numbers. It's not that I don't believe you, but yeah, I kind of don't believe you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rasputin_Vol, Obsessed and marcusluvsvols
#345
#345
carlos86 said:
The odds of a school shooting happening are 1 in 63.
The odds of getting killed in a terror attack by a foreign-born Islamic terrorist is 1 in 45,785
The odds of getting killed by an illegal immigrant are 1 in 138,324,873
Click to expand...

Yeah im gonna need a link on that. Im not buying 1 in 63. Also, on your terrorism stats you are using "being killed" as the criteria whereas in the school shooting you are using "of a shooting happening". You are trying to skew the stats by using unequal scenarios. It should be odds of being killed in vs odds of being killed in.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rasputin_Vol
#346
#346
Yeah , BS on the 1 in 63 kids school shooting, it isnt even 1 in 63,000 for a REAL school shooting, during school hours, you know , at school
I am pretty strong in math for a dummy.

It isnt even 1 in 63 americans get killed or shot by guns. Thats BS. Period. Will never believe that. There are 200 people in my church. 3 of them will not be shot or killed by guns. Chances are, none of them will actually. Liberal media is off the rails
 
  • Like
Reactions: RDU VOL#14, Rasputin_Vol and davethevol
#347
#347
marcusluvsvols said:
Yeah , BS on the 1 in 63 kids school shooting, it isnt even 1 in 63,000 for a REAL school shooting, during school hours, you know , at school
I am pretty strong in math for a dummy.

It isnt even 1 in 63 americans get killed or shot by guns. Thats BS. Period. Will never believe that. There are 200 people in my church. 3 of them will not be shot or killed by guns. Chances are, none of them will actually. Liberal media is off the rails
Click to expand...

In 2018 a mathematician calculated that there would be 50 school shootings that year. There were 200.
 
#348
#348
carlos86 said:
How likely are foreign terrorists to kill Americans? The odds may surprise you
The odds that a gun will kill the average American may surprise you
Click to expand...
Didn't see the 1 in 63 school shooting odds in there. Odd fact about stats is they can be easily manipulated to say all kinds of things. How many foreign born terrorists are Muslim for example? I'd say a high percentage. Should that be used to condemn all Muslims? I say no(though I'm sure some on here disagree). Sometimes stats are misleading.

tumblr_lxtpjrJYz81qeo73ro1_500.gif
 
#350
#350
carlos86 said:
The odds of getting killed in a terror attack by a foreign-born Islamic terrorist is 1 in 45,785
The odds of getting killed by an illegal immigrant are 1 in 138,324,873
Click to expand...
Odds of getting killed by a Jihadist is greater than that of an illegal alien????
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top