USC hires Kevin O'neil as new HC

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armchairvol said:
I think something is off about O'Neil. On the one hand he does seem very well respected by some. But he's a a LOT of jobs, and many have not worked out. He was at Arizona, thought he would take over there after Lute Olsen's retirement--following an almost year-long leave of absence--but it seemed like Olsen pointed did not want O'Neil to get that job. Maybe it was a personal thing. Pearl has been MUCH better for UT than O'Neil ever was or would have been.
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Yeah, all those Elite Eights and Final Fours Tanning Bed has been to prove that. It's official: Pearl has replaced Fulmer as the deity of the Orange Overall Crew.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Outside of a couple of seasons 15 years ago at Marquette, Kev's resume is littered with disaster.

Using history as a predictor of future performance, ol Kev will head out to LA, play about .500 ball, then alienate himself from the fanbase and administration. They'll fire him and he'll end up on the end of a bench somewhere.
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based on what has been written about USC bball, .500 would be a big accomplishment
 
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utvolpj said:
based on what has been written about USC bball, .500 would be a big accomplishment
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But that just gets to the crux of the issue: some people refuse to look past the surface of records. They see .500 or less and think "what a terrible coach," when the record was achieved with a team of Wilds and little Pearls.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, because he's been fired from so many college jobs. I guess Tex Winter should have left basketball after his tenure at Northwestern, since it was worse than KO's. I bet Phil Jackson is glad he's not stupid enough to use performance in Evanston as a predictor.
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I'm not deriding KO based on one head coaching stop. I'm pointing out he has had 15 years of head coaching failures. Maybe he'll succeed at USC, I doubt it, but maybe.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I'm not deriding KO based on one head coaching stop. I'm pointing out he has had 15 years of head coaching failures. Maybe he'll succeed at USC, I doubt it, but maybe.
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Yeah, the end of his Marquette tenure was awful. Funny, if that's awful, then Tanning Bed has never really accomplished anything. Then again, those of us that aren't members of the Star of David Bodypainting Brigade already knew that.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I'm not deriding KO based on one head coaching stop. I'm pointing out he has had 15 years of head coaching failures. Maybe he'll succeed at USC, I doubt it, but maybe.
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I agree with your post IE. I am not a big fan of O'Neill, but ya gotta give the guy what little credit he does deserve. He took a very talented Marquette team to the Sweet 16. Once.

Its ironic how some will bash Pearl for not making it past the Sweet 16, but they glorify O'Neill for making it TO the Sweet 16. (Once!) O'Neill can bring in some talent, but he never sticks around to coach them. The basis for bashing and glorifying are the same thing on this board. Hypocrisy at its finest.

It all boils down to being biased towards one coach or the other.

For the record - Given his track record and given the situation at USC currently, O'Neill has nearly zero shot at any meaningful success.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
I agree with your post IE. I am not a big fan of O'Neill, but ya gotta give the guy what little credit he does deserve. He took a very talented Marquette team to the Sweet 16. Once.

Its ironic how some will bash Pearl for not making it past the Sweet 16, but they glorify O'Neill for making it TO the Sweet 16. (Once!) O'Neill can bring in some talent, but he never sticks around to coach them. The basis for bashing and glorifying are the same thing on this board. Hypocrisy at its finest.

It all boils down to being biased towards one coach or the other.

For the record - Given his track record and given the situation at USC currently, O'Neill has nearly zero shot at any meaningful success.
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Based on his past choices maybe that is the way he wants it. There are people that don't want the pressure of sustaining success - it can be very hard.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, all those Elite Eights and Final Fours Tanning Bed has been to prove that. It's official: Pearl has replaced Fulmer as the deity of the Orange Overall Crew.
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I thought that was Pat Summitt.

But anyways, I don't think I'd want to get rid of Pearl, at least not yet. No, I'm not one of those morons who are the, "Well, let's see, it's either Buzz or Bruce. I choose Bruce" crowd. But it's undeniable to say that Pearl has changed the current outlook of UT basketball.

While his coaching decisions, at times, do put us in unnecessary terms and conditions we don't need to be in, it's unfair to say that he is a bad basketball coach.

I mean, he has won a NC, albeit at the D-II level, does have over 400 wins to his credit, and has coached us to the first #1 ranking ever in UT Bball history. No, he's not my hero, nor do I think of him as a deity, but he's shown that he can coach.
 
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Yeah, that Marquette team was loaded. Look at all the future pros. If I could make one request, could people quit quoting that trash in threads I'm participating in around here. I've been dealing with Knox County government all day and have long since passed my threshold of idiot tolerance. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, the end of his Marquette tenure was awful. Funny, if that's awful, then Tanning Bed has never really accomplished anything. Then again, those of us that aren't members of the Star of David Bodypainting Brigade already knew that.
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As I clearly pointed out, that was 15 years ago. Try again.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
As I clearly pointed out, that was 15 years ago. Try again.
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I just want to see you tell someone what an awful Coach Tex Winter and Bill Foster were because they didn't have success at Northwestern. As for those 15 years you talk about, KO spent most of those coaching in the big time. That's the difference between he and Tanning Bed. KO gets paid to coach and evaluate talent in the NBA. The Bronzed Buffoon gets to come on and talk about players he coached against, since none of his guys get to the league.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
As I clearly pointed out, that was 15 years ago. Try again.
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I bet KO hopes he fails at USC as badly as Nick Saban has at Alabama. You nailed that one. Kind of like Fulmer returning to glory and Bob Stoops suffering a dropoff.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I just want to see you tell someone what an awful Coach Tex Winter and Bill Foster were because they didn't have success at Northwestern. As for those 15 years you talk about, KO spent most of those coaching in the big time. That's the difference between he and Tanning Bed. KO gets paid to coach and evaluate talent in the NBA. The Bronzed Buffoon gets to come on and talk about players he coached against, since none of his guys get to the league.
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Good luck to Kev. I'm sure you two will hang out in LA at some point soon and discuss his strategy for keeping the basketball program under the football radar.

Not sure why you attack Pearl in a KO thread. This is a thread about the USC hire of KO. Based on KO's record and his baggage, this has a good possibility of being a bad hire that does not benefit either party.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I bet KO hopes he fails at USC as badly as Nick Saban has at Alabama. You nailed that one. Kind of like Fulmer returning to glory and Bob Stoops suffering a dropoff.
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Do you want to pull up incorrect predictions in this thread too? I can find that in Tas Mitchel and Greg Oden threads too.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Do you want to pull up incorrect predictions in this thread too? I can find that in Tas Mitchel and Greg Oden threads too.
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Which would result in me going to pull up your silliness about Tanning Bed being a comparable coach to Bill Self and you brilliant proclamation about how playing in C-USA would hinder Memphis in the NCAA Tournament. Also, I didn't realize Greg Oden's career was over. Further, I can go pull up threads where I called Rajon Rondo and Ronnie Brewer's pro careers correctly, against the vast sentiment of Orange Overallers talking about Chris Lofton playing in the NBA.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I think I also once predicted you would make a single worthwhile post here. I'm still looking dumb on that one.
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You must have been seriously imbibing when that prediction was made. Didn't you see his avvy?
 
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I remember going to see Tennessee play Houston here back in 1994 during Kevin O'neill's first year. Holfheinz Pavilion was mostly empty with exception of one section-it was full of Tennessee fans. We were pretty loud also. Tennessee won that night by some 15-16 points. After the game, Kevin O'Neill came over and thanked all of us, which we all thought was pretty neat. I was sorry to see him leave Tennessee.
 
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mmmjtx said:
I remember going to see Tennessee play Houston here back in 1994 during Kevin O'neill's first year. Holfheinz Pavilion was mostly empty with exception of one section-it was full of Tennessee fans. We were pretty loud also. Tennessee won that night by some 15-16 points. After the game, Kevin O'Neill came over and thanked all of us, which we all thought was pretty neat. I was sorry to see him leave Tennessee.
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Thats just about half the total points a normal KO coached team scores in a game.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Which would result in me going to pull up your silliness about Tanning Bed being a comparable coach to Bill Self and you brilliant proclamation about how playing in C-USA would hinder Memphis in the NCAA Tournament. Also, I didn't realize Greg Oden's career was over. Further, I can go pull up threads where I called Rajon Rondo and Ronnie Brewer's pro careers correctly, against the vast sentiment of Orange Overallers talking about Chris Lofton playing in the NBA.
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Which makes my point, thanks. Predictions are a guess. Some are right and some are wrong. You have them both ways as well. Good job in being no different.

And I stand by my prediction that KO will have a short ho-hum tenure at USC.

If he wins multiple NC's, feel free to gloat.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Do you want to pull up incorrect predictions in this thread too? I can find that in Tas Mitchel and Greg Oden threads too.
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Wait, i want to hear wat he see a/b Oden. What did he predict a/b Oden.
 
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