USC sanctions

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hatvol96 said:
Oh, so now you're going to start telling parents to hand over income statements and bank records. I'd love to recruit against a school operating that way.
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Uh, yeah. In the same way the the federal government requires a kid to fill out a fafsa. Why wouldn't an athletic department do the same thing?

When you are talking about $30,000 for 4 years (closer to $110,000 at USC) you better believe that the compliance people are checking parents tax returns.
 
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bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
I would like to see every player in every sport be able to transfer without losing any eligibility or having to sit out. Unless they were directly involved in the transgressions of a cheating athletic department I don't know why they shouldn't be released from any obligation to the school.
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Because the NCAA is full of dumbasses. The NCAA should tell every kid there, "Look, you weren't apart of this, you have the right to transfer anywhere and not have to sit out a year." That goes for everywhere...what's so hard about that?
 
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Volfan8282 said:
What is so freaking difficult for you to understand about this? I feel like I am arguing with a toddler. He made a statement and said that there are facts to support it ... i.e. facts that he and everyone else could find as of this moment. That's not true. Now, COULD the report that comes out tomorrow or whenever back up his claim? Sure. But, that's not the issue.

He cannot know with any certainty that his claim was factual... b/c it's impossible to know right now without having seen the report. I'm arguing that it's not true right now... not that it couldn't be true in the future.
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I understand what you're saying. I just don't see why you care. This is such a peripheral argument to the point of this thread that it makes you look borderline pathetic to continue bringing it up for 7 pages now.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Like I said, if he doesn't have control over what is happening with his players on and off the field, he should be fired on the spot with things like this happening.
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So, Dooley needs to go check out the housing of all of his players and their families? Pretty sure that's not in any coach's job description.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
What is so freaking difficult for you to understand about this? I feel like I am arguing with a toddler. He made a statement and said that there are facts to support it ... i.e. facts that he and everyone else could find as of this moment. That's not true. Now, COULD the report that comes out tomorrow or whenever back up his claim? Sure. But, that's not the issue.

He cannot know with any certainty that his claim was factual... b/c it's impossible to know right now without having seen the report. I'm arguing that it's not true right now... not that it couldn't be true in the future.
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LET IT GO! You are being Pedantic!
 
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hatvol96 said:
So, Dooley needs to go check out the housing of all of his players and their families? Pretty sure that's not in any coach's job description.
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Hat, your missing the point to all of this. If a coach doesn't know what is going on with his players on a semi-regularly basis, then he's pretty incompetent. Kiffin comes from that bunch, and I have heard that he was the same way up here during his tenure.
 
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UTHorsey said:
Uh, yeah. In the same way the the federal government requires a kid to fill out a fafsa. Why wouldn't an athletic department do the same thing?

When you are talking about $30,000 for 4 years (closer to $110,000 at USC) you better believe that the compliance people are checking parents tax returns.
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As I said, let me recruit against schools asking for tax returns and bank records from player's parents. They won't have to worry about the 'AA because they won't be getting any players worth receiving extra benefits.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Hat, your missing the point to all of this. If a coach doesn't know what is going on with his players on a semi-regularly basis, then he's pretty incompetent. Kiffin comes from that bunch, and I have heard that he was the same way up here during his tenure.
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Why should Pete Carroll know or care where Reggie Bush's parents live?
 
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VolinMichigan said:
I understand what you're saying. I just don't see why you care. This is such a peripheral argument to the point of this thread that it makes you look borderline pathetic to continue bringing it up for 7 pages now.
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My thoughts. He's being a douche.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Why should Pete Carroll know or care where Reggie Bush's parents live?
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If you don't think players talked around the locker room, and Carroll probably took the blind eye approach to all this, then I don't know what to tell you. It's not coincidence that he left just before the hammer fell, IMO. I'm sure Carroll campaigned really hard for that Seattle job, WELL before it became available.
 
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AbeFroman said:
Question: If the penalty is as severe as is being reported, would the 2010 class be allowed out of their LOI's? Just curious.
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Those kids should have seen this coming. It's not like they were blind-sided. They chose to join USC anyway.
 
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Skjellyfetti said:
5 year probation period........

Think Kiffin can go 5 years? I think he gets them the death penalty...
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You'll never see the death penalty again. After what we saw happen to SMU, and how much they struggled, it won't happen, especially with a big market program like USC.
 
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ukvols said:
Those kids should have seen this coming. It's not like they were blind-sided. They chose to join USC anyway.
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I'd be willing to bet serious money that Kiffin wasn't telling these kids that a multi-year postseason ban was on the horizon.
 
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zjcvols said:
My thoughts. He's being a douche.
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I'm really not. Again, I just am sick of people making claims that they cannot support to save their life ... eric is the worst about it. His hatred for Kiffin has completely seeped into just about every one of his posts.
 
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Until somebody stupidly gives the NCAA subpoena power, this sort of thing will continue to happen, and there's nothing anybody can do about it unless somebody screws up later on (like the genius that is Lloyd Lake).

This is just an example of what happens when a college program becomes successful. The vultures start circling, and things get compromised. For one, I think it's dumb to have programs be able to get punished over things they have no control over.

Not saying Carroll's staff didn't know about it the whole time, but there probably was some point in time in which Bush's family was receiving extra benefits, and there wouldn't have been any way that anybody at USC could have a clue. NCAA gets a whif of it and the hammer drops over something that the school had no ability to detect, much less prevent.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If you don't think players talked around the locker room, and Carroll probably took the blind eye approach to all this, then I don't know what to tell you. It's not coincidence that he left just before the hammer fell, IMO. I'm sure Carroll campaigned really hard for that Seattle job, WELL before it became available.
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You're sure of that how? Also, I'm sure I've been in a whole lot more locker rooms of elite teams than most. Don't ever remember hearing any conversation about what kind of house a guy's parents were living in at the time.
 
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