USC sanctions

#726
#726
There is no basis for a lawsuit and no court will intervene on a NCAA infraction finding or penalty. They will not review a membership body/institution organization enforcement action although they may initially hear arguments on whether the court has jurisdiction. This would just be a delaying tactic with no obvious value to USC and will easily be overcome by the NCAA. Also, the AA Bylaws state that decisions by the Infractions Appeals Committe "shall not be subject to further review by the Leadership Council or any other authority."

The relevant sections are included below.

It's kind of like the lawsuit that Jeremy Mayfield filed against NASCAR for his suspension for drug use. You can file the lawsuit but it's not going anywhere. The only way a court would intervene would be if there was a violation of civil rights or constitutional issue. USC can decide whether or not it wants to be a member of the NCAA and that's about their sole remedy other than an appeal before the Infractions Appeal Committee. There may be a small legal loophole under 32.10.4.1 regarding the penalty phase but it is very difficult to overcome a discretionary ruling by the COI.

I am not a lawyer by the way but assure you that this is correct.

32.10.4.1 Penalties. A penalty determined by the Committee on Infractions shall not be set aside on appeal except on a showing by the appealing party that the penalty is excessive such that it constitutes an abuse of discretion. (Adopted: 1/13/08) Note: this is the potential loophole because it is not directly tied to 32.11.5 cited below

32.11.4 Decision Final. Any decision in an infractions case by the Infractions Appeals Committee shall be considered final. (Revised: 1/16/93, 1/10/95, 4/24/03)

32.11.5 Further Review. Determinations of fact and violations arrived at in the foregoing manner by the Committee on Infractions or by the Infractions Appeals Committee, on appeal, shall be final, binding and conclusive and shall not be subject to further review by the Leadership Council or any other authority. (Revised: 1/16/93,1/10/95, 4/24/03, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08)
 
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#727
Sabanocchio said:
I don't care what anyone says. I feel a guilty pleasure every time I see the headlines. I mean, Monte is only going to coach 3 more years tops. Not that he doesn't want to, his health isn't going to allow it. O is loyal and will stick with Kiffin. (until a legit DI offer comes calling then he's gone) And if anyone here thinks Kiffin can carry his own weight, you're forgetting who you're talking about. If he surrounds himself with people that are smarter than he is (like MANY a successful coach) then he may continue to be sucessful. Time will exposeKiffin's weaknesses and he is on the brightest stage of them all. You cannot hide in LA. They're already out to get him.

So yes, I am enjoying the news and it is giving me joy. Thanks, NCAA!
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To top it off, Ogre is on the phone trying to see what opportunities are out there for him. What a guy
 
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VolAlumNGatrland said:
By the way...I failed to mention earlier - did anyone else notice that that awesome recruiter and coach Todd McNair is also banned from any recruiting activities as well for one year - calls to recruits, no visits, no letters, no nothing...among other sanctions against him directly. Apparently the NCAA feels there was enough evidence to show that McNair had some knowledge of what was going on.!
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Yeah that was cool...and was based on McNaiar's lying to the committee, filing false statements. and other unethical behaviour under AA bylaws documented in the report. Also probably some payback for PC having an additional ST coach on staff that was a clear violation of the limits on the number of football coaches that USC could employ.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
Kiffin will not have any trouble recruiting through and after this probation IMO. He won't be pulling in top classes in the next year or two more than likely, but I don't look for them to struggle in the recruiting department post 2011.
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I guess only time will tell.
 
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#730
volwarrior33 said:
I really have no idea what you’re talking about. I was simply posting info about the scholarships, only someone with very limited intellectual capacity could interpret that post into a positive for CLK.
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My Intellect is high enough to see the pattern of your budding love affair with everything Kiffin.

I dont have to be a genuis to see you have a mancrush on Lane and ED. You may be their love child for all i know?

So , i am just calling a spade a spade......, :question: or is that a fruit a fruit? See, with my diminished "intellectual capacity" im struggling for the right words. Well i have to go but tell your Daddy Lane that Karmas a B****.
Looks like his "Dream Job" might turn out to be a nightmare.
 
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VolAlumNGatrland said:
By the way...I failed to mention earlier - did anyone else notice that that awesome recruiter and coach Todd McNair is also banned from any recruiting activities as well for one year - calls to recruits, no visits, no letters, no nothing...among other sanctions against him directly. Apparently the NCAA feels there was enough evidence to show that McNair had some knowledge of what was going on.

Pete Caroll apparently was cited for helping football players get intern jobs with a sports agent - these positions were not open to other students on campus. He also hired a former NFL coach as a consultant which put USC over the limit for number of coaches allowed and allowed open access to facilities to non-football persons.

When you read through the report, well again, the bits that I have read, the idea that this is all about reggie bush, like USC fans are raging on about, is not the whole story. The Bush incident, while most egregious, is but the best example of how USC coaches and admin lacked control and chose to turn a blind eye to improprieties, and in many cases either directly help facilitate the wrongs, or at the very least fostered an environment where these actions were tolerated. Hence the wording in the "institutional control" clause - either know or SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.....in the end between coaches, assistant coaches, compliance officers, and other admin staff....USC Should Have Known!
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Lack of institutional control is what it is.

USC fans need to realize the women's tennis team took a hit for God's sake. It's not all about Bush.

The NCAA did have to make this a stiff penalty since they spent 4 years investigating or else they would lose face.
 
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#732
Caroll's comments about this situation yesterday were comical, he knew what was coming and what he allowed to go on in his program.
 
#733
#733
One issue is lost in all of the hype. USC was resurrected, but the NCAA says they cheated to do it. Yes, I do agree that the NCAA is draconian and inherently unfair.

We shouldn't pretend like USC is some magical recruiting magnet either. UCLA has most of the same geographic recruiting advantages and it isn't like they have set the college footbal world on fire.
 
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#735
Did anybody hear Mike Garrett's statement about the ruling? Delusional much?

Here is a snippet from an ESPN article.

USC athletic director Mike Garrett, speaking at a previously scheduled USC Coaches' Tour at the Airport Marriott in Burlingame, Calif., had this to say to boosters: "As I read the decision by the NCAA, all I could get out of all of this was ... I read between the lines, and there was nothing but a lot of envy, and they wish they all were Trojans."
 
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Lexvol said:
One issue is lost in all of the hype. USC was resurrected, but the NCAA says they cheated to do it. Yes, I do agree that the NCAA is draconian and inherently unfair.

We shouldn't pretend like USC is some magical recruiting magnet either. UCLA has most of the same geographic recruiting advantages and it isn't like they have set the college footbal world on fire.
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if UCLA isn't a top-10 team by 2013 their entire athletic department should be fired.
 
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Lexvol said:
One issue is lost in all of the hype. USC was resurrected, but the NCAA says they cheated to do it. Yes, I do agree that the NCAA is draconian and inherently unfair.

We shouldn't pretend like USC is some magical recruiting magnet either. UCLA has most of the same geographic recruiting advantages and it isn't like they have set the college footbal world on fire.
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The campuses don't even compare. UCLA in the Beverly Hills area. USC in the ghetto.
 
#738
#738
Just posted on ESPM

"Juniors and seniors to-be on the USC Trojans' football team, hit with a two-year postseason ban among other punishments, will be allowed to transfer to other FBS programs without having to sit out a season, the NCAA clarified to ESPN on Friday.
"The second school would have to submit a waiver asking to waive the year in residence, but NCAA rules allow for this waiver to be granted if a student-athlete's first school has a postseason ban in their sport," NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn said in an e-mail to ESPN's Joe Schad.
The rule does not apply to freshman who have signed national letters of intent, however. But schools with an interest in a USC junior or senior are allowed to initiate contact with the player, Osburn said."
 
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#739
Read some of the quotes by Kiffin and Mike Garret here:

Mike Garrett: 'Nothing but a lot of envy' - Pac-10 Blog - ESPN


“Regardless of what happens in that appeal, we know this: SC is more powerful than anything else,” Kiffin said. “The university, the football program, the basketball program -- no matter what they try to do to us, it won’t matter.”
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“As I read the decision by the NCAA, all I could get out of all of this was … I read between the lines and there was nothing but a lot of envy, and they wish they all were Trojans,” Garrett said to cheers Thursday night at the San Francisco Airport Marriott.
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Really?
 
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#743
Lexvol said:
I had a buddy that went to USC. He says the same thing.
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I've driven by UCLA numerous times while on business in LA. Simply amazing.

I've always been too afraid to venture over to where USC sits.
 
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Lexvol said:
or..maybe autistic....this is beginning to have a little "Rain Man" flair. Definitely powerful, definitely....
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All of the above, which makes him a perfect match for his new football coach. Now is not the time to be arrogantly boasting about how powerful USC is. That is what got them into this mess in the first place and I am sure it offended folks at the NCAA.

Who knows, with Garrett, Kiffin and Orgeron on board, maybe USC will continue its ways and get the death penalty in a few years.
 
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Lexvol said:
or..maybe autistic....this is beginning to have a little "Rain Man" flair. Definitely powerful, definitely....
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the sad part is he doesn't seem to realize he's about the get fired. any other AD in the country would realize having your two top programs in the country on probation is an immediate dismissal. garrett thinks the trojan faithful will buy his "everyone is out to get us" argument and continue to bow to him because he has a heisman.
 
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hatvol96 said:
They didn't do anything of note while SC was wandering in the desert in the '90s. Why would now be any different?
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it wont be because slick rick isn't the answer. donahue had some very good teams and an awful lot of nfl draft picks when sc was down and he wasnt' exactly john mckay.
 
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droski said:
if UCLA isn't a top-10 team by 2013 their entire athletic department should be fired.
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And what would that achieve? Mediocrity has been pretty much the hallmark of UCLA football, a few breakthroughs now and then, but mediocrity is the word.
 
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