USU Aggies Spring Ball Video

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Madmartigan said:
That was genuine. I'm really excited to see Neyland close up. It did sound disparaging. Not meant to be, I think It will be an experience to remember.
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You should watch the 2nd half of the UGA game from last season. It got so loud that their offense couldnt hear Murray or the snap count. It happened a few times

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Dt-hOKm30[/youtube]
 
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In 2012 UF QB Jeff Driskel said when the game was competitive in the first half that it was the loudest place he's ever been. They got backed up deep in their territory a few times and it was deafening.they even turned it over. I was sitting right there. The second half we got pounded but that was the week we were back ranked in the top 25 and had college GameDay. The buildup all day and even the first half of the game was insane. Same as UGA last season. It's gonna be a zoo on August 30th.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
You should watch the 2nd half of the UGA game from last season. It got so loud that their offense couldnt hear Murray or the snap count. It happened a few times

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/f6Dt-hOKm30[/youtube]
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I watched that game and got the chills. Y'all had that one in the bag. I guess the football gods had to give Aaron Murray one close game.
 
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I would just like to remind our USU friends that watched the GA game, keep in mind you are watching a 5-7 UT team. Man I hope Pig makes it back.
 
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Madmartigan said:
I really hope your attitude and hubris don't reflect your entire fan base. I was actually looking forward to coming to Knoxville and chatting and tailgating with some cool Tennessee fans.
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It's simple.. Don't start nothin and there won't be nothin. You come in here looking for trouble, then you can bet you will find it.

But if you come here with a good attitude, just looking for a good game.. you will not find nicer people on this planet.

Bottom line.. do not talk krap about my vols and we will get along just fine
 
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MJA said:
Born and raised in Las Vegas, been around gambling and sports betting my whole life. Oddsmakers set lines that are 90% based off statistical data and analysis, anyone who says otherwise doesn't know much about oddsmaking. :hi:

Check out the data on how often underdogs/favorites win, it's very close to 50% every year for both sides.
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If you think odds are made by "experts" who predict the outcomes of games.... then you need to go back and talk to some folks.
 
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Madmartigan said:
Yes, I know there have been some obnoxious USU fans on the board (including me). I can understand a Tennessee fan's point of view: better conference, better athletes, better competition. You think you'll blow us out, I can accept that.

If you can't accept when the competitive fire in a person/fan comes and says, hey you're not going to blow us out and points out reasons why they think that way… well I guess no one's mind is going to be changed here from a message board.
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Its not the feeling confident part. Its the approach of some.


FTR ive said I think we win 31-17 but I think the game wont really be in question JMO though
 
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MJA said:
:crazy:

Can't fix stupid.
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Indeed... oddsmakers try to get betting equal on both sides of the line. If you wanted to say that they reflect the expertise of voters then that would be accurate. It is NOT accurate to say the oddsmakers are "experts" themselves.

Some of those bettors do research and access "experts" to raise their chances of success. Some go on "gut" alone. There is a spectrum between.

But your contention that the oddsmakers themselves are "experts" at picking winners is inaccurate.
 
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sjt18 said:
Indeed... oddsmakers try to get betting equal on both sides of the line. If you wanted to say that they reflect the expertise of voters then that would be accurate. It is NOT accurate to say the oddsmakers are "experts" themselves.

Some of those bettors do research and access "experts" to raise their chances of success. Some go on "gut" alone. There is a spectrum between.

But your contention that the oddsmakers themselves are "experts" at picking winners is inaccurate.
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Oddsmakers are the best handicappers in the world.

They obtain equal betting on both sides in 2 ways: 1. Making an non-exploitable point spreads, using deep statistical data and analysis to come up with a proper line and 2. By slightly adjusting it according to betting patterns

Oddsmakers analyze statistics and data to create their point spreads, which are incredibly accurate. Most of the betting public bet based off of information that isn't as good as what the sports books use. While some expert bettors do equal statistical research and try to find slight advantages in the spread, often going against the betting public
 
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OK. Whatever. You actually hit it with the first phrase in the second sentence. Odds are made to attract equal betting on both sides. That may or may not reflect "deep statistical data and analysis". The goal doesn't change even if MOST of the bettors think a team is better/worse than they are due to limited data to analyze.

Never is that more true than in a game like UT vs USU.
 
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VOLinNC said:
Utah State's Defense In Good Hands Under Second-Year Coordinator Todd Orlando - Utah State Aggies Official Athletic Site
It may have already been posted but it's a pretty good read about USU's Defense and an interview with their DC.
The DC seems very pleased with his Defense.
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Good read. Sounds like they have a good staff, and that they are on pace to continue similar success. However... Let's set some context. The article celebrates the facts that:

The Aggie defense ended the 2013 season on a high note, ranking among the top 35 teams in the nation in 10 different statistical categories...
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When several offensive starters went down with season-ending injuries last year, Utah State football relied on the strength of its defense. It worked out in the Aggies' favor as they finished 9-5 with the Mountain West Mountain Division title and a win in the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl.
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They were statistically top-35 while racking up their statistics primarily against MW talent. Does that equate to a top-35 defense, or does that say they match up well against their competition?

I actually think it'll be a good game. The only reason I'm a bit 'iffy' on this game is because there's little up-side for UT. If we thrash USU, we were supposed to, so we can't really get a read on the team going into the rest of the season. If they hang close, were we just bad, or was USU just better than we expected? No good read on the team. In my opinion, the only real read we could get from this game would be if we lost. Then, we'd know there are serious issues at UT.

But all that said. I seriously expect... Well, maybe not domination... Maybe that would be the wrong word. I expect UT to show up ready to play, but playing fairly vanilla. And even so, I expect it to remain comfortable and never really be in doubt.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Good read. Sounds like they have a good staff, and that they are on pace to continue similar success. However... Let's set some context. The article celebrates the facts that:



and



They were statistically top-35 while racking up their statistics primarily against MW talent. Does that equate to a top-35 defense, or does that say they match up well against their competition?

I actually think it'll be a good game. The only reason I'm a bit 'iffy' on this game is because there's little up-side for UT. If we thrash USU, we were supposed to, so we can't really get a read on the team going into the rest of the season. If they hang close, were we just bad, or was USU just better than we expected? No good read on the team. In my opinion, the only real read we could get from this game would be if we lost. Then, we'd know there are serious issues at UT.

But all that said. I seriously expect... Well, maybe not domination... Maybe that would be the wrong word. I expect UT to show up ready to play, but playing fairly vanilla. And even so, I expect it to remain comfortable and never really be in doubt.
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Think it means they just fair really well against their competition mostly. That defense lost a ton of guys too. Their solid but the numbers are skewed a bit bc of the competition. Also, 6 or 7 teams they played were rated 100 or higher on defense. And half the opponents on their schedule had a losing record. Take those top 35 rankings with a grain of salt.
 
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I doubt that UT will be expected by many to "thrash" USU. I suspect that some significant talking head out there will make it their mission to promote USU's chances for a Neyland win.

IF UT scores a big win then many will be impressed. They have been up... UT has been down... and much like their fans, few seem to put it into the context of the respective competition they've had.
 
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It appears in many ways they face the same issues we face after losing so much to graduation and other departures. Both have some guys who played a bit last season, some good and some with not quite much experience. Both are looking for new talent infusions to help. Both must address depth issues.

The question for our Vols is how much can our supposedly superior talent and hopefully, superior coaching be a difference. It better be because notwithstanding any spite I gather for this, we will not outwork the USU. They’re not going to let up because this is a chance they don’t see a whole lot. They will be determined to make it count. But I’m confident Jones and Co. Won’t be letting our boys presume to come on field thinking they can just collectively yell “BOO!” and expect USU will suddenly become myotonic goats.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
It appears in many ways they face the same issues we face after losing so much to graduation and other departures. Both have some guys who played a bit last season, some good and some with not quite much experience. Both are looking for new talent infusions to help. Both must address depth issues.

The question for our Vols is how much can our supposedly superior talent and hopefully, superior coaching be a difference. It better be because notwithstanding any spite I gather for this, we will not outwork the USU. They’re not going to let up because this is a chance they don’t see a whole lot. They will be determined to make it count. But I’m confident Jones and Co. Won’t be letting our boys presume to come on field thinking they can just collectively yell “BOO!” and expect USU will suddenly become myotonic goats.
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really dont see this UT team having that kind of mindset the very first week of the season. theyre coming to get a win in their own house. i agree about USU though. they are a hard working bunch. The thing is, we got a hungry group and some real talent again.
 
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MJA said:
How about the fact that oddsmakers, who's job is to make point spreads with millions of dollars on the line, think Tennessee is only about 3 points better than USU (plus home field)?
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That'll keep you warm in your tear drenched onesy after your team gets roofied in August :scare:
 
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What is wrong with u ppl. We have a loaded freshman class that is far superior in talent to usu. these freshman kids are winners, they have a winning mentality and this won't even be close. Our offense is legit and our defense will make improve nuts from last year. U guys are talking about usu like they are Oklahoma, what y'all gonna say that game? I'm scared to see, needless to say y'all might be right, I hope not. I have a feeling that we gonna be very good
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
really dont see this UT team having that kind of mindset the very first week of the season. theyre coming to get a win in their own house. i agree about USU though. they are a hard working bunch. The thing is, we got a hungry group and some real talent again.
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I think we said the same thing. Last statement was:

"But I’m confident Jones and Co. Won’t be letting our boys presume to come on field thinking they can just collectively yell “BOO!” and expect USU will suddenly become myotonic goats."

Gruuden, ain't nuthin wrong wid us. Some of us understand that you should never underestimate an opponent. Case in point. The war ready Nipponese Empire and the Nazi Regime viewed the USA as just a nation of fat azzed Yankees interested only in monetary profits. And had militarily only gone up against pansies like the outgunned Red men, a non-modernized Mexico, and civil warred themselves. When faced with a REAL war, the USA would fold like a house of cards. What happened is they got stomped because they underestimated the ole Red, White, and Blue. One German adviser even tried to tell Hitler, he had overlooked a huge American industrial asset. Can't recall his name right now but he was referring to that collective body of boobs and curves symbolized by Rosie the Riveter. And a Japanese colonel whose name also escapes me tried mightily to tell the war planners they were discounting America's ship building and auto industry's capacity to shift to a war footing. Their own emperor echoed this. But overconfident war planners discarded the advice and underestimated the enemy only to be just utterly stomped. So the "you ppl" you refer to are saying the same thing. Don't underestimate the enemy. Ain't nuthin wrong wid us. Wes jes sayin' don tack tings fur granted. Come battle prepared to do what Joshua should have done as ordered when he led Israel into the promised land. Destroy the enemy totally, including their livestock, wheat fields, and everything in between. Can't wait to see a bunch of orangemen run the "T" screaming bloody murder along with 102,000+ Vols fans belting out RockyTop and Down The Field. Or just stomping the "hail" out of the stadium terraces.
 
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