USU Scrimmage

[Give_All_Vol]

I think our team has a decent idea of what is coming. Not their first rodeo...

Y'all really like to talk a lot of smack for a program that hasn't amounted to squat in recent memory.

Doubt it? Give me your list of your top 5 wins in the past 3 seasons.

What about a program that hasn't amounted to squat ever?? :crazy:

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I see it playing out something like Austin Peay and WKU.

APU? Nope, USU is a much better team than the 4th string players APU has. Thus would score more points on us. WKU? I think you're right but with a note of caution. The WKU game was closer than people want to believe. They could have won but for a few bad breaks that literally came in rapid succession. They had us at the edge of our seats throughout the game. The defense, especially the secondary, came up big in that game.

So I think again you're right about it being similar to WKU. But if we let up or get lackadaisical, they will make us in pay in gold, silver, and counterfeit bills. However, I think our team will come out with an attitude:

Whatsoever, for any cause,
They want to take or give
Power above or beyond Vols,
Suffer it not to live!
A Holy State or Holy Aggie King--
Or Wholly USU’s Will--
Have no truck with the senseless thing.
Down their throats ram a chill pill!
Saying --after--me:--

Once there were The Aggies–smug pride gave them birth;
Once there were The Aggies, they planned hell for Neyland’s turf
Neyland’s guardians arose and crushed them. Listen, O' Orangemen!
Prideful Aggies strutted into Neyland Stadium–but never will again!

—Apologies to Ruyard Kipling---

 

[ag4fr]

What about a program that hasn't amounted to squat ever?? :crazy:

Several of you guys struggle with basic logic and reasoning. I'm a bit surprised.

Utah State fans are not the ones callng for another APSU result.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Several of you guys struggle with basic logic and reasoning. I'm a bit surprised.

Utah State fans are not the ones callng for another APSU result.

I watched the game against NIU, and I will say that the USU defense swarms to the ball. I question if NIU was totally into the game though because they had their sights set on a BCS bowl, and they had just been upset by Bowling Green.

I am looking forward to the game though. You all lost your two leading rushers as well as receivers. So it will be interesting to say the least.

 

[ag4fr]

There is a big difference between "talking smack" and feeling like our boys should handle a team with less talent.
To your team's credit, on the other hand, anything can happen.

Thank you Doyle for the reasonable response.

If I were a UT fan and UT were playing Utah State, I probably would cautiously optimistice about the same thing... Superior talent level should win.

I'd be very happy that the game is at home and with the support of the UT crowd.

I'd also be a bit nervous about the fact that the combined winning percentage of the teams UT has beaten over the past 3 seasons is 0.355.

 

[sjt18]

Responses like these are why you're disliked on the board.

Attempting to tell the truth doesn't always make someone popular.

You act like you're the only sane person on these boards and that only your opinions are truth.

Really? I'd challenge you to go back through just a few posts you've made in response to me and count the personal shots you've taken. Opinions aren't "truth" per se. They can be based in truth or not so much. I understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. Do you? And do you really believe that you post with any less "conviction" or certainty that you are right?

If you ever feel like you're the only sane person in a room, you're probably the only crazy or deluded person in that room.

That would make sense... if I'd accused you or those who agree with you of being crazy or even unintelligent. The fact that you approach it like this suggests you are guilty of the charges you level.

Anytime somebody (besides you of course) uses sarcasm or hyperbole, you call them a liar. It's like some kind of sad defense mechanism.

And... that's not true either. When you are stating your OWN opinion in an exaggerated fashion then you can claim hyperbole. When you are re-stating someone else's position while distorting or exaggerating... that's called a straw man or else a false argument.

Opinions can be based in fact and still be incorrect.

Yes. That's progress. Just approach discussions with me like that and we'll get along fine. We'll even agree quite often.

There's such a thing as faulty logic. Statistics can be based 100% in fact and still be misleading or useless.

Yes.... why yes there is such a thing as faulty logic. It has markers... like attempting straw men as a means of discrediting someone else's argument rather than dealing with the argument itself.

I don't even know why I'm responding, trying to reason with you is the definition of insanity.

You are trying to reason? Reasoning by accusation, distortion, and questioning my "football knowledge"... well not really questioning it at all... your "reasonable" argument there was just that I didn't have any... stated as FACT (not opinion).

 

[sjt18]

"Lies"

You are... a ridiculous stalker.

 

[Give_All_Vol]

Several of you guys struggle with basic logic and reasoning. I'm a bit surprised.

Utah State fans are not the ones callng for another APSU result.

Nor was I... I'm playing with you really. A little hazing won't hurt you bub. Ya'll are no AP for sure. It won't be that easy but I don't think UT will struggle either.

I mean we messed around and had all we wanted from USA last year so it is surely possible that ya'll do the same or better. But I think this team has a mean streak and we lost a lot of folks that knew nothing but losing and loser coaching. I truly think this is the year things turn around and I don't believe that losing to USU is in the cards if it really is the year we rebound..

 

[sjt18]

It's crazy how you're so critical of this staff, but defended Dooley and his so harshly with the same logic so many are defending Butch and his (who, for the record have a a better track record).

Unlike many here... I am not afraid to admit that I was wrong. I defended Dooley getting his chance. I've done the EXACT same for Jones. With Dooley I thought somewhat like many now that all criticism should be held until year 3 or the final assessment.

I WAS WRONG

Deep down, you're just a butthurt Dooley fan who didn't like the Butch hire.

Not true. And BTW, is this an opinion or a fact born of some amazing ability you have to read the mind and heart of other people?

The truth has been stated by others here. I am a UT fan who once thought like you apparently that any criticism of a coach even if honest and respectful was harmful. It isn't.

Oh hey, it's the logic you criticize people who defend Jancek and Azzani for using!

Yes. Again, I am not afraid of being wrong, admitting it, and changing. I will make this distinction though. I AM NOT making a final judgment on any of the coaches but see absolutely NO inconsistency or problem with judging what they've actually done so far as good/bad... like the '13 season or the '14 recruiting class. I STILL hope that they do well. I STILL see signs and HAVE SAID SO that some things are moving in the right direction.

There were several here that truly did hate Dooley from the start, were determined to see him fail, and tied their credibility and emotions to the assumption that he would.

When someone takes the title of UT football HC... I WANT them to succeed at the highest levels. I pretty much thought Kiffin was a punk from the start and STILL wanted him to succeed. If I didn't like Jones (which I do quite a bit) then I would STILL want him to be a great HC at UT.

I state opinions with conviction. When I was more in agreement with the way you're thinking... there were quite a few who got upset with me for that. If you can't handle it... then don't. You won't be the first that couldn't.

 

[sjt18]

I think our team has a decent idea of what is coming. Not their first rodeo...

Not talking about the team...

Y'all really like to talk a lot of smack for a program that hasn't amounted to squat in recent memory.

Can you explain the math you used to come to the conclusion that anything done by either team over the past couple of seasons will have a major bearing on the outcome of this game?

UT is more talented... and it isn't just a little bit. Both teams replace starters but where UT replaces them... aren't places that help you.

USU had a good season last year and you have seen me argue the point that your coach had "proven" more with that season than Jones had with his first season. That's pretty much an argument about semantics. You should NOT mistake that for some sort of doubt about which program or coach has the most resources, talent, or ability.

Doubt it? Give me your list of your top 5 wins in the past 3 seasons.

I am not interested in arguing with you based on a false premise you want accepted so that you "win". But let's put that in perspective just a little. What do you truly believe would have been the results for your team over that same period playing UT's schedule? When was the last time you played a BCS championship game team? In just the last 3 years, UT has played FOUR including all of the winners.

Give UT YOUR schedule... and you are probably looking at a program with no more than 5 losses over the past 3 seasons.

 

[VolAllen]

Tennessee will beat Utah State. This thread is stupid.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Not talking about the team...

Can you explain the math you used to come to the conclusion that anything done by either team over the past couple of seasons will have a major bearing on the outcome of this game?

UT is more talented... and it isn't just a little bit. Both teams replace starters but where UT replaces them... aren't places that help you.

USU had a good season last year and you have seen me argue the point that your coach had "proven" more with that season than Jones had with his first season. That's pretty much an argument about semantics. You should NOT mistake that for some sort of doubt about which program or coach has the most resources, talent, or ability.



I am not interested in arguing with you based on a false premise you want accepted so that you "win". But let's put that in perspective just a little. What do you truly believe would have been the results for your team over that same period playing UT's schedule? When was the last time you played a BCS championship game team? In just the last 3 years, UT has played FOUR including all of the winners.

Give UT YOUR schedule... and you are probably looking at a program with no more than 5 losses over the past 3 seasons.

It's hilarious how this guy keeps telling us we suck bc we lose to top 10 teams then tells us how awesome they are when they beat garbage teams. So funny.hes leaving alot of truth out of his argument. Just bc were not on the level of the elite right now doesn't mean we're not still way more talented than USU.

 

[BruiserVol]

Thank you Doyle for the reasonable response.

If I were a UT fan and UT were playing Utah State, I probably would cautiously optimistice about the same thing... Superior talent level should win.

I'd be very happy that the game is at home and with the support of the UT crowd.

I'd also be a bit nervous about the fact that the combined winning percentage of the teams UT has beaten over the past 3 seasons is 0.355.

Not sure how many times you will say this. Give us all of the teams from your conference that had a +.500 winning % last year and we have a ton more wins last year. Soo I'm not seeing your point...

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

That would make sense... if I'd accused you or those who agree with you of being crazy or even unintelligent. The fact that you approach it like this suggests you are guilty of the charges you level.

You never call others "crazy, but you've called those you disagree with liars and questioned their sense of reality.

I know the difference between facts and opinions. Facts are things like 4 blowout losses which is worst UT has experienced in 50 years, a scoring D second worst only to the mess that got Dooley fired within the last 50 years, a near loss to USA because the D couldn't stop a 2nd rate mid-major O, a GREAT performance and near win vs UGA, an outstanding effort and win vs USCe,.... We can go deeper into the numbers and such but those things really aren't "my" reality... they are "actual" reality.

There is only one reality. Our perceptions of it may be different. But we don't have individual realities.



You need to read more of my posts if in your "reality" you don't think I make MANY positive comments.

And... that's not true either. When you are stating your OWN opinion in an exaggerated fashion then you can claim hyperbole. When you are re-stating someone else's position while distorting or exaggerating... that's called a straw man or else a false argument.

1. Hyperbole is not limited to one's own opinion. Ever heard of satire? Johnathan Swift?
2. Oh hey, a time you did that thing you said you never did.

Take that post in context please.

I was responding to someone who VERY stupidly posted what "they" thought I might say... and lied while doing it. [\B] They took a completely unnecessary and gratuitous shot at me.

I have never said that Jones would not succeed. I have said that they underperformed the talent of last year's roster and that the coaching looked poor at times last year. I have very SPECIFICALLY said that I hoped it was all part of a process that would lead to success. But right now, it is the only results we have to evaluate... and for me they look WAY too much like Dooley results. That includes things that the current staff had complete control over like playcalling, adjustments, and player corrections.

 

[Give_All_Vol]

You never call others "crazy, but you've called those you disagree with liars and questioned their sense of reality.






Oh hey, a time you did that thing you said you never did.

Ya know, you two should maybe just not talk to each other. Agree to disagree.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Ya know, you two should maybe just not talk to each other. Agree to disagree.

Not until sjt admits that I can piss farther and with greater velocity!

But you're right. I'm done. No more feeding the troll.

 

[Give_All_Vol]

Not until sjt admits that I can piss farther and with greater velocity!

But you're right. I'm done. No more feeding the troll.

Hahaha idk why but I wasn't expecting that response! That was pretty funny!

 

[ag4fr]

It's hilarious how this guy keeps telling us we suck bc we lose to top 10 teams then tells us how awesome they are when they beat garbage teams. So funny.hes leaving alot of truth out of his argument. Just bc were not on the level of the elite right now doesn't mean we're not still way more talented than USU.

1. Have never said UT sucks. I have simply said that y'all are over-reaching a little bit on how good UT really is.

2. Have never said that Utah State is awesome or even predicted a victory against UT. I have simply said that we will play you tough and it will be a close game.

3. Reality is that your team is beating 1 SEC team per year, on average, over the past 3 years. UT is not an elite team and not even a middle of the pack SEC team. UT is one of the bottom teams in the SEC right now.

4. Reality is that your team is only beating 1 FBS team with a winning record per year, on average, over the past 3 years. UT is a middle of the pack FBS team.

5. More than half of your 21 losses in the past 3 years are not to Top 10 teams. You are hanging youselves out to dry with this argument.

6. The teams you have beaten over the past 3 years didn't win 40% of their games and the list of teams is not exactly a who's who of college football. I'm not sure how UT fans can be to uppity about who Utah State has beaten.

 

[Orange_Crush]

1. Have never said UT sucks. I have simply said that y'all are over-reaching a little bit on how good UT really is.

2. Have never said that Utah State is awesome or even predicted a victory against UT. I have simply said that we will play you tough and it will be a close game.

3. Reality is that your team is beating 1 SEC team per year, on average, over the past 3 years. UT is not an elite team and not even a middle of the pack SEC team. UT is one of the bottom teams in the SEC right now.

4. Reality is that your team is only beating 1 FBS team with a winning record per year, on average, over the past 3 years. UT is a middle of the pack FBS team.

5. More than half of your 21 losses in the past 3 years are not to Top 10 teams. You are hanging youselves out to dry with this argument.

6. The teams you have beaten over the past 3 years didn't win 40% of their games and the list of teams is not exactly a who's who of college football. I'm not sure how UT fans can be to uppity about who Utah State has beaten.

We'll see you to kick off the football season. You have promised to come back by afterward.

:hi:

 

[jlf2n]

Reality is that you sir are in for a huge let down. Tennessee is going to beat USU like they owe them money. And no, its going to be close. Your schedule last year was laughable and the Vols would have ran the table if it was their schedule.

1. Have never said UT sucks. I have simply said that y'all are over-reaching a little bit on how good UT really is.

2. Have never said that Utah State is awesome or even predicted a victory against UT. I have simply said that we will play you tough and it will be a close game.

3. Reality is that your team is beating 1 SEC team per year, on average, over the past 3 years. UT is not an elite team and not even a middle of the pack SEC team. UT is one of the bottom teams in the SEC right now.

4. Reality is that your team is only beating 1 FBS team with a winning record per year, on average, over the past 3 years. UT is a middle of the pack FBS team.

5. More than half of your 21 losses in the past 3 years are not to Top 10 teams. You are hanging youselves out to dry with this argument.

6. The teams you have beaten over the past 3 years didn't win 40% of their games. I'm not sure how UT fans can be to uppity about who Utah State has beaten.

 

[ag4fr]

We'll see you to kick off the football season. You have promised to come back by afterward.

:hi:

I'll drop by for a quick visit after the game.

If UT whacks us the way that most here are saying they will, I will eat crow and admit I was wrong.

And however it goes down, I will always respect and like the UT program a lot.

 

[KBVol]

1. Have never said UT sucks. I have simply said that y'all are over-reaching a little bit on how good UT really is.

2. Have never said that Utah State is awesome or even predicted a victory against UT. I have simply said that we will play you tough and it will be a close game.

3. Reality is that your team is beating 1 SEC team per year, on average, over the past 3 years. UT is not an elite team and not even a middle of the pack SEC team. UT is one of the bottom teams in the SEC right now.

4. Reality is that your team is only beating 1 FBS team with a winning record per year, on average, over the past 3 years. UT is a middle of the pack FBS team.

5. More than half of your 21 losses in the past 3 years are not to Top 10 teams. You are hanging youselves out to dry with this argument.

6. The teams you have beaten over the past 3 years didn't win 40% of their games and the list of teams is not exactly a who's who of college football. I'm not sure how UT fans can be to uppity about who Utah State has beaten.

Interesting how you start your post by stating you've never said that UT sucks and then your following bullet points outline the wins and losses the last 3 years about how UT sucks. You've been in here for multiple weeks saying the same things over and over and over. We fully understand that our very proud and historically top 10 program has been in a down period for nearly a decade now due to poor leadership and hires. Don't need some slappy fan from one of the worst programs and conferences in the country coming on our board repeating your BS. We got it.

See you in late August. Seriously doubt we'll ever from you again after then.

 

[ag4fr]

Reality is that you sir are in for a huge let down. Tennessee is going to beat USU like they owe them money. And no, its going to be close. Your schedule last year was laughable and the Vols would have ran the table if it was their schedule.

Really?

That is an interesting assertion considering that virtually every rating and ranking system on the planet rated UT worse than the 5 teams that defeated Utah State last year.

You must be much smarter than the guys that get paid to compile these kinds of rankings.

 

[ag4fr]

Interesting how you start your post by stating you've never said that UT sucks and then your following bullet points outline the wins and losses the last 3 years about how UT sucks. You've been in here for multiple weeks saying the same things over and over and over. We fully understand that our very proud and historically top 10 program has been in a down period for nearly a decade now due to poor leadership and hires. Don't need some slappy fan from one of the worst programs and conferences in the country coming on our board repeating your BS. We got it.

See you in late August. Seriously doubt we'll ever from you again after then.

I have not and will not say UT sucks. I do think some UT fans have an inflated sense of where the program is today.

Are not the wins and losses the wins and losses? I don't know how you argue much about these.

Your very proud program is not historically a Top 10 program. Where did you come up with that?

My "BS" is based on facts, records, scores, rankings, etc. These facts seem to be something some UT fans are not able to comprehend.

 

[BruiserVol]

Really?

That is an interesting assertion considering that virtually every rating and ranking system on the planet rated UT worse than the 5 teams that defeated Utah State last year.

You must be much smarter than the guys that get paid to compile these kinds of rankings.

Lol yeah you can always count on the "experts". Same type of people that had our basketball team in a play in game just to reach the tournament. In the sweet 16 with blowout wins in the first rounds now. I never buy into anything they say.