UT to receive LOI Wednesday, go in front of Infractions Committee in mid-June

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jp1 said:
Would someone please explain to me how knowingly breaking a rule and lying about breaking a rule are different? Im not suggesting that lying is okay but people keep acting like he committed a major violation.
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Conveniently, you missed my point.

You insinuated that Hat's imperfection somehow made BP's actions acceptable.

That's ridiculous.

And if you don't understand the difference between doing something wrong, Or doing something wrong and lying about it, well, short of a hand puppets, I don't know how to explain it.
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Settle down. Doesnt have anything to do with hatvol. I disagree with most things he says and certainly not siding with him on this. Point i was trying to make is if u knowingly break a rule arent u in effect doing the same as lying?
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jp1 said:
Would someone please explain to me how knowingly breaking a rule and lying about breaking a rule are different? Im not suggesting that lying is okay but people keep acting like he committed a major violation.
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He lied to the governing body of college athletics, that is a major violation.
 
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In other words. Does it make it any better if u cheat but when u get caught say yep u got me. I realise this isnt apples to apples but does a murderer get less punishment if they finally get caught and then admit it?
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jp1 said:
In other words. Does it make it any better if u cheat but when u get caught say yep u got me. I realise this isnt apples to apples but does a murderer get less punishment if they finally get caught and then admit it?
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Admitting guilt can have an effect on the sentencing. Could be the difference between life and death.
 
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jp1 said:
May be a dumb question but where does it say that lying is a major violation?
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I don't have a copy of the NCAA bylaws handy, but lying to a governing body is usurping their authority. I'm fairly confident it would be seen as a major violation.
 
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Weezer said:
Admitting guilt can have an effect on the sentencing. Could be the difference between life and death.
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Okay. Two things...didnt he admit it? And doesnt that depend on what the crime/violation was? In this case it was 2ndary so why r people saying we get such a harsh punishment?
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Great! We get to hear about what they're accused of then wait 3 months to find out. Oh glory days.
 
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jp1 said:
Okay. Two things...didnt he admit it? And doesnt that depend on what the crime/violation was? In this case it was 2ndary so why r people saying we get such a harsh punishment?
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He admitted it after he was already caught. If we're going to use the murder analogy, it's like saying you didn't do it, then admitting to it after you're convicted. Too late. Most people seem to think UT won't get the harsh punishment, Pearl will. If he had just admitted to it when he was caught, he would have more than likely gotten a slap on the wrist. Instead he lied, which made it a big deal.
 
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jp1 said:
In other words. Does it make it any better if u cheat but when u get caught say yep u got me. I realise this isnt apples to apples but does a murderer get less punishment if they finally get caught and then admit it?
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I would have thought that every American would have been forcefed enough cop shows by age 10 to know that yes, it goes a lot easier on you if you just fess up.
 
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Hamilton sounds pretty adamant about retaining Pearl:

Hamilton said it’s UT intention to keep men’s basketball coach Bruce Pearl on staff even if the NCAA imposes a one-year suspension.“It’s our intention to keep him,’’ Hamilton said on Feb. 16. “Unless there’s something (severe violation) out there we’re unaware of.’’
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I don't know why Hamilton would say that publicly. It just gives the NCAA more incentive to impose harsher penalties. If it's a one year suspension, it's not unreasonable to keep Pearl. Anything more than that and he's gone.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
I don't know why Hamilton would say that publicly. It just gives the NCAA more incentive to impose harsher penalties. If it's a one year suspension, it's not unreasonable to keep Pearl. Anything more than that and he's gone.
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If Pearl gets a year then the ncaa makes themselves look like a bigger joke than they already are because of uconns punishment. Calhoun is *****in about getting 3 game suspension after being charged with multiple majors
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Sudeepvol said:
I don't know why Hamilton would say that publicly. It just gives the NCAA more incentive to impose harsher penalties. If it's a one year suspension, it's not unreasonable to keep Pearl. Anything more than that and he's gone.
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great point .. seems like the 'aa is already enjoying having UT hang in the wind ... why antagonize them?

no telling how many more gaffes hambone can come up with between now and the end of summer .........
 
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Daddy Gee said:
great point .. seems like the 'aa is already enjoying having UT hang in the wind ... why antagonize them?

no telling how many more gaffes hambone can come up with between now and the end of summer .........
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Same thing happened when Pearl talked about the lack of severity of the 8 game SEC suspension. Pearl and Hamilton need to just keep their mouths shut about this topic until June.
 
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jp1 said:
If Pearl gets a year then the ncaa makes themselves look like a bigger joke than they already are because of uconns punishment. Calhoun is *****in about getting 3 game suspension after being charged with multiple majors
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The NCAA set the precedent when they suspended Dez Bryant for a year (effectively ending his college career) for lying to an NCAA investigator.

Calhoun didn't lie about anything. Pearl wouldn't have had anything serious happen to him if he hadn't lied about it either.
 
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Tenacious D said:
You insinuated that Hat's imperfection somehow made BP's actions acceptable.
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No he didn't. He insinuated that Hat's imperfection made Hat's self-righteousness unacceptable.

That's how I read it, anyway.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The NCAA set the precedent when they suspended Dez Bryant for a year (effectively ending his college career) for lying to an NCAA investigator.

Calhoun didn't lie about anything. Pearl wouldn't have had anything serious happen to him if he hadn't lied about it either.
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Verc, you're usually a very reasonable poster so I pose a question to you...is it really that hard for people to see the difference between Uconn's situation and UT's?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The NCAA set the precedent when they suspended Dez Bryant for a year (effectively ending his college career) for lying to an NCAA investigator.

Calhoun didn't lie about anything. Pearl wouldn't have had anything serious happen to him if he hadn't lied about it either.
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In my opinion they are not even close to being the same. Having said that are u saying that lying to them is worse than the multiple major violations uconn committed?
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Vercingetorix said:
The NCAA set the precedent when they suspended Dez Bryant for a year (effectively ending his college career) for lying to an NCAA investigator.

Calhoun didn't lie about anything. Pearl wouldn't have had anything serious happen to him if he hadn't lied about it either.
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You can't compare the Bryant case and the Pearl situation on the punishment even if they both did lie. One is a player where you have only one cause of action which is suspend him from games. Two get it correct if you are going to use the Bryant case. He was not suspended for a year. Bryant was ruled ineligible for the rest of the 2009 season on October 7 for violating an NCAA bylaw. He played 4 or 5 games. He had 17 receptions and 4 TD's. You can however penalize a coach many different ways, as the university has done. I don't know what the penalty should be for lying to the NCAA from the way things are going neither does the NCAA; but you can't compare the "actions" between Bryant and Pearl and get the answer.
 
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jp1 said:
Having said that are u saying that lying to them is worse than the multiple major violations uconn committed?
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Probably not. But UCONN had a goat. A nice little assistant coach they could throw under the bus.

Tennessee does not.
 
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lylsmorr said:
Verc, you're usually a very reasonable poster so I pose a question to you...is it really that hard for people to see the difference between Uconn's situation and UT's?
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I don't think a lot of people can get past how dumb the original violation was. A lot of fans apparently really think Pearl's about to get the hammer over a cookout.
 
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