UT to receive LOI Wednesday, go in front of Infractions Committee in mid-June

#76
#76
StepCross said:
Probably not. But UCONN had a goat. A nice little assistant coach they could throw under the bus.

Tennessee does not.
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Good point. I say blame it on aaron green. Hes not there anymore so lets pin it on him.
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#77
#77
Manvol said:
You can't compare the Bryant case and the Pearl situation on the punishment even if they both did lie. One is a player where you have only one cause of action which is suspend him from games. Two get it correct if you are going to use the Bryant case. He was not suspended for a year. Bryant was ruled ineligible for the rest of the 2009 season on October 7 for violating an NCAA bylaw. He played 4 or 5 games. He had 17 receptions and 4 TD's. You can however penalize a coach many different ways, as the university has done. I don't know what the penalty should be for lying to the NCAA from the way things are going neither does the NCAA; but you can't compare the "actions" between Bryant and Pearl and get the answer.
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Fine. I should have said they suspended him for the "season," which is what I meant rather than a calendar year.

You should probably go look up the new NCAA president's comments in December about how coaches who lie to NCAA investigators should be subject to the same penalties as athletes who lie if you really don't think that the Pearl and Bryant situations are comparable.
 
#78
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Vercingetorix said:
Fine. I should have said they suspended him for the "season," which is what I meant rather than a calendar year.

You should probably go look up the new NCAA president's comments in December about how coaches who lie to NCAA investigators should be subject to the same penalties as athletes who lie if you really don't think that the Pearl and Bryant situations are comparable.
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It wasn't a "season" either. It was 7 games. I really don't care enough about what is written by the AA so I won't be looking it up. If the AA suspends him for more than 15 games then we should part ways. IMO. If I'm guessing like most are I would say he misses first 10 games next year.
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#79
#79
well lets just fire him,,,im sure no one heres ever lied to their boss to cover their azz.

get it done,I cant wait to return to being irreverent in basketball!!!!!!!!
 
#81
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Manvol said:
It wasn't a "season" either. It was 7 games. I really don't care enough about what is written by the AA so I won't be looking it up. If the AA suspends him for more than 15 games then we should part ways. IMO. If I'm guessing like most are I would say he misses first 10 games next year.
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So you believe that your opinion about the comparison between the Pearl and Bryant situations is more relevant than the NCAA president's, so much so that you're not interested in reading what Emmert has to say about it. That might make your prediction useful if you were the one actually handing out the punishment, but unfortunately the NCAA is. I'd guess Emmert's interpretation is going to be more relevant than yours is.
 
#82
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jp1 said:
In my opinion they are not even close to being the same. Having said that are u saying that lying to them is worse than the multiple major violations uconn committed?
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If I was a boss, and one of my employees screwed up, then I would much, much, much rather him just admit he messed up in whatever capacity, instead of lying to me, knowing he got caught, and then try to say he had a "change of heart."

It's called character. Calhoun came out and said "Yes, we screwed up" instead of saying "No, we are good" and then trying to get in the graces of the NCAA by coming back three months later.

Did Calhoun do something wrong? Sure. But what Pearl did was much worse.

Here's a personal example. When I was eight, I took money from my parents without asking. It was something like 50 cents. I honestly didn't think it was a problem. But when my parents asked if I took some change, I lied and said I didn't. They knew I did, but gave me a chance to come clean. I did not. If I come clean, I would have probably would have been fine and my parents just tell me to ask before taking. Instead I got in huge trouble, because I knew not to lie about anything ever.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
So you believe that your opinion about the comparison between the Pearl and Bryant situations is more relevant than the NCAA president's (NO) , so much so that you're not interested in reading what Emmert has to say about it(correct). That might make your prediction useful if you were the one actually handing out the punishment (JMO), but unfortunately the NCAA is. I'd guess Emmert's interpretation is going to be more relevant than yours is( Probably I was speculating).
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No, correct, JMO, Probably I was speculating. GoVols!!
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#84
#84
Moral of the story is never lie about dumb crap, save them for when you're probablly hosed no matter what you say.
What gets me is how dumb the lie/s were and how hypocritical he comes off following his background. My guess is Pearl caught a bad case of the Karma.

IMO he should just be ordered to wear a donkey outfit and bray at half time for all of next seasons games. Done and done and it would teach everyone a lot more than whatever is set to actually happen will.
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#86
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zjcvols said:
If I was a boss, and one of my employees screwed up, then I would much, much, much rather him just admit he messed up in whatever capacity, instead of lying to me, knowing he got caught, and then try to say he had a "change of heart."

It's called character. Calhoun came out and said "Yes, we screwed up" instead of saying "No, we are good" and then trying to get in the graces of the NCAA by coming back three months later.

Did Calhoun do something wrong? Sure. But what Pearl did was much worse.

Here's a personal example. When I was eight, I took money from my parents without asking. It was something like 50 cents. I honestly didn't think it was a problem. But when my parents asked if I took some change, I lied and said I didn't. They knew I did, but gave me a chance to come clean. I did not. If I come clean, I would have probably would have been fine and my parents just tell me to ask before taking. Instead I got in huge trouble, because I knew not to lie about anything ever.
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Pretty sure that didn't happen. But I agree for the most part with what was said.
 
#87
#87
...maybe said a few times already, but i'm not sure the information the university receives from the NCAA is called a "letter of intent" (assuming that's what LOI was going for here....it's a notice of allegations is it not?)
 
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#88
#88
also worth noting that the school's waiting to see what the NCAA says about allegations towards the school's football program and its baseball program
 
#89
#89
AmoebaVol said:
Can we force the NCAA to have the hearing before the 90 day period?

I can't wait to get past this crap.
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from my understanding, no, since they meet in april

school's chance has to come over the summer
 
#90
#90
Why didnt the ncaa not contact UT and say "Hey yall had some recruits over at a bbq. and that is a violation" instead of asking questions they already knew the answers to. What is the term again for when authoritys set you up to commit a crime?
 
#91
#91
how does hamilton have a job? i did not realize the baseball program was under investigation as well.

so, football, men's basketball, and baseball are under investigation and the athletic director is not receiving any heat?
 
#92
#92
Fundraising.

And the whole "how does Hamilton have a job" question is getting a little old-hat at this point. He's screwed up, a lot, we get it. We should probably be looking for another AD-we get it. At the same time-more instability does not necessarily solve the problem. At this point I am hoping he can weather the storm and football and basketball can get back on track. If that happens-3 years from now no one will remember any of this.
 
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kohlrums said:
Fundraising.

And the whole "how does Hamilton have a job" question is getting a little old-hat at this point. He's screwed up, a lot, we get it. We should probably be looking for another AD-we get it. At the same time-more instability does not necessarily solve the problem. At this point I am hoping he can weather the storm and football and basketball can get back on track. If that happens-3 years from now no one will remember any of this.
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more instability will arise the longer Hamilton is employed in TN. BBall, Football, AND Baseball will be listed. The big 3 of men's sports. If that isn't grounds for terminating the overlord of your athletic department, then what the hell is?!?

in three years, this s*** will still be ongoing and probably trickling all the way down to the dam aquatic center.
 
#96
#96
Maybe, maybe not. It's a risk either way, considering who they get as an AD. My big fear would be to bring in someone who is not a fan of Dooley-someone who will not give him the 3-5 years he needs to rebuild the foundation and may cut the cord too soon. If, whoever the candidate is, said "I'm going to leave Dooley alone, I am behind him 100%" then I would be all for it. I just don't want to take the chance in the football program losing another coach due to an impulsive new AD.
 
#97
#97
kohlrums said:
Maybe, maybe not. It's a risk either way, considering who they get as an AD. My big fear would be to bring in someone who is not a fan of Dooley-someone who will not give him the 3-5 years he needs to rebuild the foundation and may cut the cord too soon. If, whoever the candidate is, said "I'm going to leave Dooley alone, I am behind him 100%" then I would be all for it. I just don't want to take the chance in the football program losing another coach due to an impulsive new AD.
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agreed, although you would think even someone who has ANY knowledge of college football could see the progress Dooley has made in just one year on the job and realize there's a good thing going there.
 
#98
#98
mrredskin said:
agreed, although you would think even someone who has ANY knowledge of college football could see the progress Dooley has made in just one year on the job and realize there's a good thing going there.
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You probably said the same thing about Kiffin.
 
#99
#99
mrredskin said:
agreed, although you would think even someone who has ANY knowledge of college football could see the progress Dooley has made in just one year on the job and realize there's a good thing going there.
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You would think-but so many people want to bring in "their guy." Besides-a new AD might come in and want to change things just for the sake of doing so and justifying their salary.

As hard a pill as it is to swallow the best case scenario is for Hamilton to get through this, for Pearl to stay and get back on track, Dooley to be left alone to build, and to let the seas settle. It could happen. I know that the evidence in front of us is to the contrary, but things could get better with Hamilton.

At this point I'm choosing to be optomistic about it, unless the penalties the basketball team receive are crippling. And people have compared UConn to UT in this thread-yes, Pearl lied, but improper benefits were given out in UConn's case. I cannot imagine UT getting a postseason ban.
 
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