UT under potential NCAA investigation for NIL

[kcvols1]

Yeah, but that's the end of college sports. It's not actually in UT's interest to have the NCAA lose the Antitrust Law issue, so they don't want to go that far.

The replacement for the NCAA is most likely some kind of pro league because any attempt at saying players won't be compensated is, again, in violation of Antitrust Laws.

So, hoping for the NCAA to get crushed by the courts on Antitrust Laws probably isn't what you want to see either.

I’m thinking maybe the top brass in Indy sees this writing on the wall and the enforcement division needs to be brought to heel.

Anything else would be grounds to fire the C-Suite for cause.

The Association’s legitimacy depends upon the consent of the governed. There’s a good framework there but the rules and enforcement needs to evolve or it will absolutely perish.

 

[DaddyChad]

Mincey can go kick rocks.

Well he’s at UK. That’s about as bad a punishment as anyone can think of.

 

[DaddyChad]

The NCAA knew it would be litigated before they made the allegations yet they decided to pursue it anyway. Maybe it’s a desperate attempt or maybe they believe they can win the argument in court.

I actually believe it is a solid argument. Booster Collectives like The Volunteer Club fund raising millions and then paying recruits guaranteed money under the guise of NIL isn’t at all what was proported when the courts ruled in favor of NIL.

The NCAA hasn’t had much success with what they “knew” in court to this point. You’ve got Tennessee and Spyre already in war mode.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

This is the end of the NCAA. They have bitten off more than they can chew.

 

[JustinVol]

That's just the bammer in him.

Yeah….

 

[Jackcrevol]

This is the end of the NCAA. They have bitten off more than they can chew.

They can still levy whatever punishment they wish. That's the problem. The playground rules and sliding scale dont work for large, multi million dollar businesses. Bloated intsitution with criss crossed rules, with arms tied behind its back. Who only exercises its death roll on the willing. Is the dictionary definition of archaic. Any business with any acumen would scale down, and place a responsible person at helm.

Equivocation is mark is bad leader and weak minded individual.

 

[davethevol]

They can still levy whatever punishment they wish. That's the problem. The playground rules and sliding scale dont work for large, multi million dollar businesses. Bloated intsitution with criss crossed rules, with arms tied behind its back. Who only exercises its death roll on the willing. Is the dictionary definition of archaic. Any business with any acumen would scale down, and place a responsible person at helm.

Equivocation is mark is bad leader and weak minded individual.

If they do, it might actually be criminal at this point seeing as how it might directly affect players and businesses finances. The NCAA will back down on this one.

 

[volzsohard]

Well, dang- Michigan had someone on staff who was stealing signals. FSU had similar situation with the collective, IIRC.
I don’t think much will come from it, although I’m more concerned about negative recruiting than anything

I wouldn't be too concerned over the negative recruiting, because Tennessee can use it to their advantage come here we are the best at compensating for your future value.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

They can still levy whatever punishment they wish. That's the problem. The playground rules and sliding scale dont work for large, multi million dollar businesses. Bloated intsitution with criss crossed rules, with arms tied behind its back. Who only exercises its death roll on the willing. Is the dictionary definition of archaic. Any business with any acumen would scale down, and place a responsible person at helm.

Equivocation is mark is bad leader and weak minded individual.

Tennessee doesn’t have to comply and will file a law suit. The NCAA doesn’t have the budget or the legal power to fight it.

Something that has been going on behind the scenes is getting rid of the NCAA basketball tournament. The money would go to the colleges. This is the main revenue generator of the NCAA. They make very little at all on all other sports. If the NCAA basketball tournament is pulled and a collegiate collective runs a national championship tournament….it’s over financially.

The NCAA has zero legal power, zero monetary power, and zero brand power anymore. And now, they picked a stupid fight that they can’t win.

RIP

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Tennessee doesn’t have to comply and will file a law suit. The NCAA doesn’t have the budget or the legal power to fight it.

Something that has been going on behind the scenes is getting rid of the NCAA basketball tournament. The money would go to the colleges. This is the main revenue generator of the NCAA. They make very little at all on all other sports. If the NCAA basketball tournament is pulled and a collegiate collective runs a national championship tournament….it’s over financially.

The NCAA has zero legal power, zero monetary power, and zero brand power anymore. And now, they picked a stupid fight that they can’t win.

RIP

So, you think nothing is going to happen to Michigan either? The NCAA can't afford to go to war if Michigan lawyers up?

All these folks calling for the demise of the NCAA are actually calling for the end of college athletics.

Do you REALLY think another amateur organization is going to replace the NCAA? Almost immediately, a new organization that tries to keep college sports as amateur sports is in the same sinking Antitrust Law boat the NCAA is in.

You guys are rooting for the end of college sports?

 

[Cartervol]

I'm sure everything at Ohio State and Ole Miss is totally legit. Ohio State has been like a pimp this offseason, Ole Miss too. You can't police this stuff in its current state. Looks like a hit job IMO.

 

[SGidds]

Exactly. Run the NCAA out of Knoxville, don't talk to them, tell everyone else not to talk to them as well. Do not let them single Tennessee out. If they come back a couple of years from now with probation or scholarship reductions then just tell them to kick rocks and don't do any of it. the NCAA won't be around much longer anyways in its current form.

So what if the NCAA bans Tennessee’s football program from being eligible for the college football playoff? Does the team just show up at one of the games and say, “We got next”?

 

[MemphisVol77]

Yeah, but that's the end of college sports. It's not actually in UT's interest to have the NCAA lose the Antitrust Law issue, so they don't want to go that far.

The replacement for the NCAA is most likely some kind of pro league because any attempt at saying players won't be compensated is, again, in violation of Antitrust Laws.

So, hoping for the NCAA to get crushed by the courts on Antitrust Laws probably isn't what you want to see either.

Burn it down.

Hopefully, the NCAA backs down and we all have a good laugh.

If it comes down to being the NCAA's whipping boy or starting the fire?

LET IT BURN

 

[Jackcrevol]

Tennessee doesn’t have to comply and will file a law suit. The NCAA doesn’t have the budget or the legal power to fight it.

Something that has been going on behind the scenes is getting rid of the NCAA basketball tournament. The money would go to the colleges. This is the main revenue generator of the NCAA. They make very little at all on all other sports. If the NCAA basketball tournament is pulled and a collegiate collective runs a national championship tournament….it’s over financially.

The NCAA has zero legal power, zero monetary power, and zero brand power anymore. And now, they picked a stupid fight that they can’t win.

RIP

I think you're partly wrong. They dont want a lawsuit because its losing its power hence broad stroke. Applying a moving scale and pinning the tail. Isnt legislation, it isnt planning.

They have power but are flexing it on the ace student. Manager micro managing the top producer.

 

[Jackcrevol]

If they do, it might actually be criminal at this point seeing as how it might directly affect players and businesses finances. The NCAA will back down on this one.

and they should. female leader, history of cooperation. easy to flex on your buddy than dude giving you the finger. weak amd cowardly.

they were expecting a golden retriever and got a doberman.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

So, you think nothing is going to happen to Michigan either? The NCAA can't afford to go to war if Michigan lawyers up?

All these folks calling for the demise of the NCAA are actually calling for the end of college athletics.

Do you REALLY think another amateur organization is going to replace the NCAA? Almost immediately, a new organization that tries to keep college sports as amateur sports is in the same sinking Antitrust Law boat the NCAA is in.

You guys are rooting for the end of college sports?

The Big10 has more power to punish Michigan than the NCAA.

False equivalency of your statement, of ending the NCAA is the calling for the ending of college athletics. The NCAA has already been litigated out of existence essentially by the court system. The NCAA fought NIL and lost. They did it to themselves. The system works only if the rules are applies fairly and equally and the NCAA is forward thinking regarding laws.

If you can’t see how punishing a school for rules that didn’t exist, is unfair, then there is zero point in having a discussion with you. You main beef should be with the NCAA for this absurd allegation.

Tennessee will be known as the school that brought the NCAA down and I promise you, you will start to hear about the NCAA basketball tournament being pulled for something equivalent to the BCS football championship.

 

[IndianaVol]

I've sat back the last few hours and read a lot of articles and browsed a lot of comments here and other places...here's my two cents.

First - Donde Plowman is a bad a$$. LOVE how she told the NCAA you can't point to us and say we are the epitome of what an institution should be and then turn around and slap us with sanctions and allegations. Her response to the association will go down as a turning point in the history of college athletics.

Second - The NCAA sat on their thumbs when NIL first surfaced and did nothing. They let local and state laws dictate the direction of what was happening. Now they are 'behind the 8 ball' as far as rules and enforcement in regard to NIL. SO, to claw back any kind of power the NCAA is targeting the schools that are out front in the NIL game...I'll be surprised if Ole Miss and tOSU aren't being probed soon as well.

If the NCAA is smart about this, they will let this be what it needs to be - an investigation into the schools that are doing NIL the right way and build their rule set around what those schools are doing correctly. Use this investigative phase to set your policy.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Hopefully, the NCAA backs down and we all have a good laugh.

If it comes down to being the NCAA's whipping boy or starting the fire?

LET IT BURN

Historically, the NCAA rarely backs down once they get a whiff. They may not bring the hammer every time and they may drag it out over a couple of years but they usually don't just go away.

With NIL issues, they've settled things relatively faster than the Pruitt fiasco years long slog. They handled the FSU case pretty rapidly, I think.

Donde and UT have clearly been waiting on this to drop because they had both barrels loaded and it's reasonable to think the NCAA wasn't ambushing them. The NCAA and UT had already talked before they squared off in public with the leaks and the letter.

Expecting the NCAA to walk away now isn't what we've seen them do before.

 

[utvolpj]

Historically, the NCAA rarely backs down once they get a whiff.

Lsu and unc had worse violations and basically told the ncaa to get off their lawn

 

[csheaton]

You don’t say? A brand new NCAA investigation at the same time Alabama is going through a coaching change. Gee, I wonder why all of this is happening now? And to our star QB? It just doesn’t make any sense?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The Big10 has more power to punish Michigan than the NCAA.

False equivalency of your statement, of ending the NCAA is the calling for the ending of college athletics. The NCAA has already been litigated out of existence essentially by the court system. The NCAA fought NIL and lost. They did it to themselves. The system works only if the rules are applies fairly and equally and the NCAA is forward thinking regarding laws.

If you can’t see how punishing a school for rules that didn’t exist, is unfair, then there is zero point in having a discussion with you. You main beef should be with the NCAA for this absurd allegation.

Tennessee will be known as the school that brought the NCAA down and I promise you, you will start to hear about the NCAA basketball tournament being pulled for something equivalent to the BCS football championship.

I'm not saying UT is wrong. I'm saying "Burn it down" doesn't help the sport, the athletes, and UT athletics.

There's not an organization to control the "big picture" without the NCAA. It's an interstate business that's going to run into Antitrust Law if it tries to reconstitute itself as an amateur body.

As annoying and useless as the NCAA is, it's the glue keeping the ruse of amateur sports alive at the college level.

We need the NCAA to continue to exist because we can't build a replacement that will stand any quick test of Antitrust Law. As lousy as the NCAA has managed things, they DID fight compensating players as long as they could legally without destroying themselves.

A new organization isn't going to form which knowingly is in violation of Antitrust Law, that is, which deals with college athletics as amateur sports.

Pro sports in college is a disaster and the NCAA, lousy though it is, is the only thing standing between the courts and employee status for players.

 

[strkr]

It is not college athletics anymore - with NIL it is semi pro ball.

 

[bpalmer28]

Severing the connections between NIL collectives and the universities has been the plan all along. The ruling against FSU proves that if there is even a hint/suggestion that an NIL deal is tied in any way to an athlete’s decision to play for a particular university; a violation has occurred. Essentially, the NCAA wants NIL agencies to represent the athletes independently with no ties at all to universities and recruiting.

Sounds like a noble cause. But that will NEVER happen.

 

[Mullins2010]

 

[DaddyChad]

Tennessee doesn’t have to comply and will file a law suit. The NCAA doesn’t have the budget or the legal power to fight it.

Something that has been going on behind the scenes is getting rid of the NCAA basketball tournament. The money would go to the colleges. This is the main revenue generator of the NCAA. They make very little at all on all other sports. If the NCAA basketball tournament is pulled and a collegiate collective runs a national championship tournament….it’s over financially.

The NCAA has zero legal power, zero monetary power, and zero brand power anymore. And now, they picked a stupid fight that they can’t win.

RIP

They picked this fight bc Tennessee is on probation and cooperated before with investigators. Fans of other schools, athletes needs to recognize this isn’t NCAA vs TN; this is the NCAA coming for the NIL and any program that has benefited from it. This is basically trying to squeeze the toothpaste back into the tube. NCAA also leaked this news to every news outlet possible to try to smear the program. They’ve basically ensured no program will work with them or help them anymore from this point forward.

This was the highest profile NIL case they could pursue and they thought they would have the upper hand due to public sentiment and the program being under probation. It’s not going to happen though. You have some media members and former athletes already recognizing this for what it is and calling out the NCAA.