UT under potential NCAA investigation for NIL

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NATHAN05 said:


No clue who this guy is......but leaving this here
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Couple things. 1) You really don’t know Stewart Mandel? 2) I was hoping the rule broken was a grey area of where the NCAA has been inconsistent at best. But getting a free private jet ride has always been a no-no. It’s never been ok and it isn’t covered by state laws either. That is considered an extra benefit. One that I would like to have personally.
 
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secking said:
Couple things. 1) You really don’t know Stewart Mandel? 2) I was hoping the rule broken was a grey area of where the NCAA has been inconsistent at best. But getting a free private jet ride has always been a no-no. It’s never been ok and it isn’t covered by state laws either. That is considered an extra benefit. One that I would like to have personally.
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Spyre gave the jet ride for their business meeting. According to the lawyers, the paperwork was worded that Spyre will work with Nico wherever he goes. We all know it’s bs but the paper trail is the only proof. Opinions can’t be argued in court only documents.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
I think you're partly wrong. They dont want a lawsuit because its losing its power hence broad stroke. Applying a moving scale and pinning the tail. Isnt legislation, it isnt planning.

They have power but are flexing it on the ace student. Manager micro managing the top producer.
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I promise, they don’t have the power you think they do. They don’t even have the money to investigate and have zero subpoena power. They rely on schools to self report or whistle blowers. They have around 3,000 employees. Most of which are paper pushers and people helping set up the NCAA tournament. I believe they have less than 100 investigators and it’s probably somewhere around 50. They have to investigate division 1,2,and 3.
 
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turbovol said:
NIL was corrupted the schools and the programs and has become total bull$hit---a bribery contest for prospects. And this is what college
sports should be about--turning high-schoolers into money-grubbing mercenaries? It's been disgusting to watch---corrupt. NIL was not conceived as a cash bag for recruiting. It was concieved as a method to give student-athletes already in school a cut for monies earned by private businesses or the school for using their NIL for promotional or sales/merch purposes. It got corrupted and turned into a a recruiting bribe.

NIL should be completely banned from recruiting. Or, if the athletic departments and conferences are ok with all this paying players nonsense, and professionalizing college football and basketball, then break athletics off from universities completely and make what used to be college football a new privately owned league, private clubs, professional players---and no association with colleges. That way academia won't be obligated to offer this respectable cover for athletics that have little to do with college and learning anymore. The fans will be OK with that--because college football fans have never even been to college, which is why the academic side doesn't resonate with them.
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Before NIL was even a thing do you think any of these kids were brought on campus for what they could contribute to academia? Other than the money they generated for the academic programs? Why not just shutter all athletic departments and see just how well academia fares on its on without that pesky revenue from college sports?
 
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GetEmVols said:
Spyre gave the jet ride for their business meeting. According to the lawyers, the paperwork was worded that Spyre will work with Nico wherever he goes. We all know it’s bs but the paper trail is the only proof. Opinions can’t be argued in court only documents.
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Yeah, don’t think it’s a huge deal but even if Sprye said it was on the up and up, still illegal per NCAA. I really wish Tom Mars didn’t admit to signing a contract before Nico was on campus. That’s the proof they need. This is going to come down to state NIL vs NCAA NIL and who has authority over who.

Who wins? The real answer is no one bc it’s the NCAA that created this entire mess, they could have put rules in 5 years ago and none of this would be happening.
 
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DirtyDawg said:
I think this is a very interesting take on the situation. I won’t pretend to have a firm grasp on what is actually happening bc it looks like a freaking huge mess.

It kinda appears that the NCAA is desperately attempting to use TN to set some precedent. They think they have something with the Nico situation and they are hoping that their position is strengthened by the ruling that took place months ago. They are hoping that TN will fall in line and play nice again, but that doesn’t appear to be the case this time.

Saying that TN and the Spyre collective are guilty of inducing players and tampering with players at other programs appears fruitless. Is TN doing this? Is the Spyre collective guilty? Yeah, they probably are, but is what they are doing drastically different from what other programs and collectives are doing? Absolutely not!!! And the NCAA is as guilty as anyone for creating this new atmosphere where these things are happening. It’s been the Wild West for awhile now.

And for the moment it looks as though TN and Spyre are not going to take it. Plowman took a strong stance and Spyre can apparently deny any wrongdoing by themselves or the program. They aren’t rolling over, they are telling the NCAA to take a long run off a short pier. And honestly, with the way this looks, I say good for them.

I’m not sure where this ends up, but I absolutely do not think that Plowman is just posturing, nor is Spyre. They see what a predicament that the NCAA has gotten themselves into, and they aren’t about to be made an example of or be the scapegoat.
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Personally think the NCAA thought that UT would be an easy target to make an example of since they were very cooperative with the investigations during the Pruitt debacle.

Think you nailed it with the part in bold.

Very glad to see Plowman and Spyre go on the offensive early this go around. I don't see how any organization enforces rules when there aren't any set rules to enforce basically.
 
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secking said:
But getting a free private jet ride has always been a no-no. It’s never been ok and it isn’t covered by state laws either. That is considered an extra benefit. One that I would like to have personally.
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That's false as Spyre was allowed to provide something like that to their client. It would only be against the rules if provided by UT
 
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DaddyChad said:
Before NIL was even a thing do you think any of these kids were brought on campus for what they could contribute to academia? Other than the money they generated for the academic programs? Why not just shutter all athletic departments and see just how well academia fares on its on without that pesky revenue from college sports?
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most colleges and universities run athletics at a loss - only a small number of programs generate more revenue than cost for athletics
 
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utvolpj said:
That's false as Spyre was allowed to provide something like that to their client. It would only be against the rules if provided by UT
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Miami got busted just for a boat ride. Their rules are antiquated, entire rule book needs rewritten.
 
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utvolpj said:
Where's Texas in all this? We sure showed up when the Alamo was in trouble and deserve to be repaid. Consider this our Alamo
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Texas and Texas AM enjoy the benefits of a powerful NIL program as well. I’m sure if this goes much further the conference itself will become involved. NCAA is overreaching here and it threatens money coming to this conference; that won’t happen without a fight and the ncaa doesn’t have the ammo to win that kind of fight.
 
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Apparently there are two lawsuits from the AG, one just filed today on NIL and another one he joined back in December on NCAA's rules violating antitrust law. Wow, this is just getting started and will drag on and get ugly (hopefully only for the NCAA)...

www.tn.gov

Tennessee Joins Antitrust Lawsuit against NCAA

NASHVILLE – Today, Tennessee Attorney General Jonathan Skrmetti fulfilled his duty in enforcing our antitrust laws by joining six other states in filing a federal antitrust lawsuit on behalf of the State of Tennessee, challenging the National Collegiate Athletic Association’s (NCAA) transfer...
www.tn.gov www.tn.gov

www.cbssports.com

State of Tennessee sues NCAA over legality of NIL guidelines amid investigation into Volunteers

Virginia is also a co-plaintiff in the latest lawsuit against the association
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
 
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secking said:
Yeah, don’t think it’s a huge deal but even if Sprye said it was on the up and up, still illegal per NCAA. I really wish Tom Mars didn’t admit to signing a contract before Nico was on campus. That’s the proof they need. This is going to come down to state NIL vs NCAA NIL and who has authority over who.

Who wins? The real answer is no one bc it’s the NCAA that created this entire mess, they could have put rules in 5 years ago and none of this would be happening.
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You’re allowed to sign contracts before yousign with a school in California. The private jet ride isn’t a problem unless someone from the coaching staff or ad gave them their private jet
 
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So why didn’t the NCAA do anything to Saban for handing out cars and money from underneath the table when it was “against the rules”?

Seems like the NCAA picks & chooses who to go after.

Guarantee this will end up in the courts and bury them for good.
 
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utvolpj said:
Lsu and unc had worse violations and basically told the ncaa to get off their lawn
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Not sure your point here.

Wade ended up fired with a 10yr? show cause. LSU picked up reductions and penalties in both football and basketball. Yes, it took forever, but NIL issues have been settled much faster.

UNC threw academics under the bus to save athletics. They ended up getting a sanction from the academic enforcement organization (which is even more lax than the NCAA, sadly) to avoid NCAA penalties. It was a good strategy for fake college courses. We don't have that option with a donor providing a private flight.

Sure, they told the NCAA to go away. The NCAA didn't go away. They're molasses slow.
 
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secking said:
Miami got busted just for a boat ride. Their rules are antiquated, entire rule book needs rewritten.
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Just the flight itself is not even the issue and it doesn't matter as transportation was provided for their client which is permitted. They are allowed to represent their client in all their opportunities. That's what TN law says and what the Supreme Court ruled.

You sure you've followed any of this?
 
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Volfan39 said:
You’re allowed to sign contracts before yousign with a school in California. The private jet ride isn’t a problem unless someone from the coaching staff or ad gave them their private jet
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I think that's going to be the issue. The plane ride was to Knoxville to visit UT. UT knew about it. Did they arrange it? Did UT invite him?

If UT invited him, then knew a donor was picking him up....... I'm not sure that kind of thing has ever been allowed.
 
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GetEmVols said:
Spyre gave the jet ride for their business meeting. According to the lawyers, the paperwork was worded that Spyre will work with Nico wherever he goes. We all know it’s bs but the paper trail is the only proof. Opinions can’t be argued in court only documents.
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So they let Nico sit in the pilot's seat, take the controls and fly it a few hundred miles....The pilot stayed in the cockpit and supervised, it's not like they let him try and land it....

According to the FAA, that's between Nico and the pilot anyways. The NCAA can't stick that on UT or Spyre.

When the unemployed tabloid bloggers, like Pat Forde, start derisively referring to us as the 'Teflon Vols' again, I'll consider it a badge of honor.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I think that's going to be the issue. The plane ride was to Knoxville to visit UT. UT knew about it. Did they arrange it? Did UT invite him?

If UT invited him, then knew a donor was picking him up....... I'm not sure that kind of thing has ever been allowed.
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The plane ride was specifically issued by spyre and to discuss nil. Something that has nothing to do with the coaching staff. The plane ride was not arranged by the coaching staff so it’s not a problem for the coaches or AD. This is purely a spyre issue
 
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secking said:
Yeah, don’t think it’s a huge deal but even if Sprye said it was on the up and up, still illegal per NCAA. I really wish Tom Mars didn’t admit to signing a contract before Nico was on campus. That’s the proof they need. This is going to come down to state NIL vs NCAA NIL and who has authority over who.

Who wins? The real answer is no one bc it’s the NCAA that created this entire mess, they could have put rules in 5 years ago and none of this would be happening.
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It's only illegal if boosters and/or the university are involved. Spyre is neither "boosters" (per the NCAA definition) nor associated with the university. It was a private company flying a private citizen for a business meeting. Now we all know the "wink winks" involved with that, but legally speaking that is all it was. The NCAA is cutting its nose to spite its face. They are about to be left the bag holding nothing but revenue from mid/low major schools while the big boys take their literal ball and go home. Yes, it will suck that March Madness etc will look different, but this is the bed the NCAA has made, and they will have to enjoy it.
 
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