UT under potential NCAA investigation for NIL

#851
#851
Orange Maniac said:
NIL isn't meant to bring parity to schools. In fact, it's not meant to bring anything to any school. It's for the individual athlete's right to make a living off of their name, image and likeness.
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I get that but it is bringing more parity than the old system which seemed to be setup to support only 2-3 schools. The NCAA wasn't creating parity but doing the opposite.

College Football was quickly becoming the Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State show and it lost a ton of fan support/energy as a result. I mean, why watch as a Tennessee fan when you are losing 15 straight against a rival and have no shot at competing?

To me, it is like playing monopoly and having a player start with Board Walk, Park Place, and $ 1000 extra dollars. They are going to win most of the time in that scenario. The system was setup that way for Alabama to win at the expense of its rivals. As I cited in another post, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, and Tennessee all faced NCAA Investigations during Saban era but no one touched Alabama and Saban despite players talking about getting paid and the Jeremy Pruitt connections to Saban and Smart.
 
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turbovol said:
I chuckle at all the people who apparently want to see the NCAA disappear. Yea, and who's going to set rules and boundaries for college sports? Or do you not want any boundaries or rules, which is the case now? Now, college sports is a bloody, chaotic mess--ask the coaches. Ask the ADs and conference commissioners who've been imploring Congress to get involved. Let's ask the fans and alums of the Pac12.
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I guess you think keeping the NCAA in authority is a good thing. Nobody else could govern better? Oh please, the power 5 could create their own panel. The NCAA isn’t some prestigious group of fair minded people looking to make all schools play under the same rules. If you believe that you are naive. College football deserves a better governing body with common sense and true integrity. The NCAA is not capable of doing it’s job effectively. You can chuckle and drink the NCAA koolaid all you want they are proving they aren’t capable of being fair and even handed. GBO
 
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Orange Maniac said:
NIL isn't meant to bring parity to schools. In fact, it's not meant to bring anything to any school. It's for the individual athlete's right to make a living off of their name, image and likeness.
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Very true, but (counter to the argument you responded to) it only takes one major booster or donor at some of those little schools to suddenly put them on the map. One player doesn't make a football team, but if a billionaire grad of Georgia State or something decides to throw some cash around suddenly they become the dominant G5 playoff spot contender and turn into a beast. I think it actually opens the door for parity.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Yeah, but that's the end of college sports. It's not actually in UT's interest to have the NCAA lose the Antitrust Law issue, so they don't want to go that far.

The replacement for the NCAA is most likely some kind of pro league because any attempt at saying players won't be compensated is, again, in violation of Antitrust Laws.

So, hoping for the NCAA to get crushed by the courts on Antitrust Laws probably isn't what you want to see either.
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The super conferences can form a committee betweenst themselves and self regulate. Less Napoleons trying to flex and invade Russia.
 
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secking said:
Yeah, don’t think it’s a huge deal but even if Sprye said it was on the up and up, still illegal per NCAA. I really wish Tom Mars didn’t admit to signing a contract before Nico was on campus. That’s the proof they need. This is going to come down to state NIL vs NCAA NIL and who has authority over who.

Who wins? The real answer is no one bc it’s the NCAA that created this entire mess, they could have put rules in 5 years ago and none of this would be happening.
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State law always prevails over NCAA. They have no jurisdiction when it comes to actually law. Based on Nico's contract with Spyre, big time business pays for flights to and from business meetings all the time. Maybe there was a signing of autographs or maybe launching a clothing line. We don't know that and I promise Tennessee has it covered.
 
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turbovol said:
The courts won't call them professionals--but that's what they'll be if the courts/judges stupidly decide that they're "employees." I prefer to think of them as full-time college students getting a free education and other benefits in exchange for playing football, but apparently that's not enough. There is this myth that everybody associated with college football is getting rich but the players. The only people who ARE getting rich off college football are the coaches. Nobody else is. All the money is reinvested in the athletic departments and in non-revenue sports. So this notion that college football is a conventional business with the players as "employees" is, to me, utter nonsense.
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As I've told you repeatedly and you've never addressed, the value of the scholarship DID NOT and DOES NOT cover the value of some players to the teams. It's called "market value" and the SCOTUS addressed that fact in Alston v NCAA.

No one is saying the scholarship isn't valuable but it simply and clearly wasn't enough compensation for some players and boosters compensated them beyond that for DECADES and DECADES.

Put it away, kid. The facts don't support that the "scholarship is enough."
 
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Visiting Dawg said:
Nope, no saints in college football but if you're going to say UGA is paying top dollar for recruits, you should be able to name a kid that is getting paid big dollars by the UGA collective.
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Amarius Mims literally making a cool half mil in NIL. Hell, he was even named directly in the Pruitt scandal and nothing ever happened to him.


But I am sure UGA is totally clean.......
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So, you think nothing is going to happen to Michigan either? The NCAA can't afford to go to war if Michigan lawyers up?

All these folks calling for the demise of the NCAA are actually calling for the end of college athletics.

Do you REALLY think another amateur organization is going to replace the NCAA? Almost immediately, a new organization that tries to keep college sports as amateur sports is in the same sinking Antitrust Law boat the NCAA is in.

You guys are rooting for the end of college sports?
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What you’re pining for ended when they broadcast the first game and folks bought their first box of cereal seen on the telecast…just took awhile.
 
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butchna said:
The super conferences can form a committee betweenst themselves and self regulate. Less Napoleons trying to flex and invade Russia.
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They can, and probably will, but that doesn't address the elephant in the room.

That committee, if it doesn't compensate players, will be in violation of Federal Antitrust Law.

That committee, if it does compensate players, will be a pro sports league.
 
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GoodTimeVol said:
Spyre is a private business that the ncaa and the university have no control over, the new lawsuit the AG of Tenn tweeted out with the state of Virginia also onboard and probably more states joining will effectively make the ncaa be in court for several years and so far those court rulings have not gone in their favor historically. Tennessee is about to end the ncaa rule over college athletics NIL with this lawsuit, and the ncaa governing body may not survive this
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This is a part people and seemingly the NCAA miss a lot. Also, Spyres statement shut a lot of it all down if true.
 
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SGidds said:
So what if the NCAA bans Tennessee’s football program from being eligible for the college football playoff? Does the team just show up at one of the games and say, “We got next”?
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Yeah pretty much. The NCAA would lose in court anyways if they tried that.
 
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secking said:
Couple things. 1) You really don’t know Stewart Mandel? 2) I was hoping the rule broken was a grey area of where the NCAA has been inconsistent at best. But getting a free private jet ride has always been a no-no. It’s never been ok and it isn’t covered by state laws either. That is considered an extra benefit. One that I would like to have personally.
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Shoulda stuck to helicopter rides…like Kirby doles out.
 
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