UT under potential NCAA investigation for NIL

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butchna said:
Sure you can! Because the NFL went all the way to the SUPREME COURT to maintain the current system. NBA did the one year requirement because their vetting system was crap.
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On a quick read, the NFL and NBA have collective bargaining agreements which the court used in part because those leagues use limiting the number of eligible players to help establish league parity. The unions agreed that limiting the available pool protected older, established players and were agreeable to the age limits.

Neither league has an upper age limit so as I said you'd easily have 18yo guys playing with 35yo guys, as you see in Europe. There would be no way to stop a "local club" from hiring an ex-NFL player.

You'd have a draft from high school or rich teams would REALLY just buy the league championships, even worse than today. From a coach's standpoint, that's great as recruiting sucks AND you'd stop the craziness of the portal because players would have pro contracts.

Again, I'm game but I'm unsure who wants to buy the Knoxville franchise? Haslam? 🤮
 
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Franklin_Vol09 said:
www.espn.com

Tennessee, Virginia AGs sue NCAA over NIL rules

The attorneys general of Tennessee and Virginia filed a lawsuit against the NCAA over NIL-related recruiting rules.
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He's still bitter over Saban leaving and he's Pat Forde's BFF, so this is to be expected.

His entire logic here was hammering on "why did that case she's referencing in July 2023 matter here?"

Well Paul, I'm sure its complicated for you to understand logic, reasoning, and direct inferences, I guess you lost grasp on that when you crawled up the elephants rear and got in bed with Sankey.
 
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DooleyOrangePants said:
He's still bitter over Saban leaving and he's Pat Forde's BFF, so this is to be expected.

His entire logic here was hammering on "why did that case she's referencing in July 2023 matter here?"

Well Paul, I'm sure its complicated for you to understand logic, reasoning, and direct inferences, I guess you lost grasp on that when you crawled up the elephants rear and got in bed with Sankey.
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He also inferred that TN thought we could do whatever we wanted ie: break rules, because the NCAA said we were the poster school for compliance and cooperation and institutional control.
 
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The full legal filing is an absolute delight to read. Even if you don't normally read these kinds of things or find them fascinating like some of us do, you owe it to yourself to read this one in its entirety:


Tennessee v. NCAA


Of note, Tennessee has pulled in Consovoy McCarthy PLLC as their attorneys. What does that mean? These guys are big time and are some of the best in the business. There's probably no one better suited in the country to argue an Antitrust case than these guys.
 
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Volfan76 said:
The timing of this really is a head scratcher. Of all the problems the NCAA has to deal with, I can't comprehend why they would try to pick a fight with Tennessee with such a weak case. This could be the nail in their coffin. They have a national champion that was blatantly stealing signals and mountains of evidence. There are gambling issues. The referees are getting worse by the day. Yet they are trying to make a case against UT over something that every major program in the country openly does. It doesn't make sense.
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It's possible the NCAA is trying to force the hand of the SEC and B1G to somehow form a separate league but that's a hard road.

"You think you can do better? You'll see it's not that easy fighting off the court system when they come after your new organization."

It's not in the financial interest of the SEC and B1G to have the NCAA go belly up and almost immediately have to start defending the "players are employees" issue the NCAA has been fighting. There's not an easy way for the conferences to form a new alliance or organization without addressing player compensation and that's a very, very costly subject for the schools.

I'm not sure TN or any high revenue athletic department wants the NCAA gone badly enough to jump just yet. Maybe.
 
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Halph66 said:
That’s my point. If the SEC was run by a true leader they would be driving this and bring the group together to fight for the SEC’s longevity.
Tennessee and Alabama don’t have to kiss and make up, but they need to have a unified voice. FAAFO mentality.
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Kumbaya does not apply to the SEC.
 
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DooleyOrangePants said:
He's still bitter over Saban leaving and he's Pat Forde's BFF, so this is to be expected.

His entire logic here was hammering on "why did that case she's referencing in July 2023 matter here?"

Well Paul, I'm sure its complicated for you to understand logic, reasoning, and direct inferences, I guess you lost grasp on that when you crawled up the elephants rear and got in bed with Sankey.
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Yeah, he is questioning why one has anything to do with the other. But the guy is on our side here. I watched his show yesterday, he took up for us the entire show.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It's possible the NCAA is trying to force the hand of the SEC and B1G to somehow form a separate league but that's a hard road.

"You think you can do better? You'll see it's not that easy fighting off the court system when they come after your new organization."

It's not in the financial interest of the SEC and B1G to have the NCAA go belly up and almost immediately have to start defending the "players are employees" issue the NCAA has been fighting. There's not an easy way for the conferences to form a new alliance or organization without addressing player compensation and that's a very, very costly subject for the schools.

I'm not sure TN or any high revenue athletic department wants the NCAA gone badly enough to jump just yet. Maybe.
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I'm not sure the push is for a new league or organization (that may end up happening anyway), I think it's more about using Tennessee as an "example" with our baggage to somehow illustrate that they (NCAA) need to keep the status quo and operate with impunity.

Regardless, this will push things to a head whether there's something like that going on or not. The employee/employer versus student-athlete question is going to get answered, I'm convinced of that.
 
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Franklin_Vol09 said:
He also inferred that TN thought we could do whatever we wanted ie: break rules, because the NCAA said we were the poster school for compliance and cooperation and institutional control.
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Plowman's letter said nothing of the sort, however. She merely observed that Tennessee's current administration has a recent history of cooperation with the NCAA's Committee on Infractions, and she suggested that this prior cooperation should lend credibility to her vehement denials of the current allegations.

Finebaum is reading more into her letter than what was explicitly written. Perhaps because he is a University of Tennessee graduate, or maybe it's because his core audience has always been comprised of Alabama and Auburn fans, Finebaum will frequently be over-critical of Tennessee in effort to make it clear that he is not opining as a Vol fan.
 
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BAMA-DAWG said:
How bad does it gotta be when you get popped for cheating in the age where its LEGAL to pay players?
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Clown.

How has Tennessee been "popped for cheating?" They haven't even received a notice of allegations as of yet. The facts are very much in dispute here, with some ambiguous rules governing NIL.

Go back to your circle jerk with Rusty Mansell, Kipp Adams and Jake Rowe.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Yeah, but that's the end of college sports. It's not actually in UT's interest to have the NCAA lose the Antitrust Law issue, so they don't want to go that far.

The replacement for the NCAA is most likely some kind of pro league because any attempt at saying players won't be compensated is, again, in violation of Antitrust Laws.

So, hoping for the NCAA to get crushed by the courts on Antitrust Laws probably isn't what you want to see either.
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Actually, i am ambiguous as to what happens to the NCAA in its furure.

As a non-alum (and lets face it, most collegiate fans aren't alums of the schools),do i care if these guys are considered amateurs or student athletes? Not really.

Players have been taking money for decades now but all turned blind eye to what they didnt want to see. This includes the holier than thou folks taking shots at UT right now, the NCAA and its officials, and the fans who lament pay for play/NIL.

As long as the team trots out wearing Tennesse Orange and have the name Volunteers, i will be rooting for them. It wont mstter to me if they are affiliated with a minor league system or a legit amateur system

But regardless of the governing body, i hope that it is fairly implemented with rules that arent ever changing and as difficult to discern as the US Tax Code.
 
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DooleyOrangePants said:
I'm not sure the push is for a new league or organization (that may end up happening anyway), I think it's more about using Tennessee as an "example" with our baggage to somehow illustrate that they (NCAA) need to keep the status quo and operate with impunity.

Regardless, this will push things to a head whether there's something like that going on or not. The employee/employer versus student-athlete question is going to get answered, I'm convinced of that.
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Scanning the filing, the TN AG is trying to take the NCAA's head off. If the NCAA has zero control over compensation and NIL, the Wild West gets even wilder.

No holds barred buying of players AND no restrictions on transfers. What could possibly go wrong?
 
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BAMA-DAWG said:
How bad does it gotta be when you get popped for cheating in the age where its LEGAL to pay players?
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How much of a moron do you have to be to think Tennessee was cheating in any form or fashion after reading the Tennessee AG lawsuit?

That's right, you probably can't read.
 
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BAMA-DAWG said:
How bad does it gotta be when you get popped for cheating in the age where its LEGAL to pay players?
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This jackass will not have the balls to post in this thread again. This was a classic hit and run post. He should be banned.

How boring must your life be that you are a Georgia fan trolling a Tennessee fan forum, Loser?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
On a quick read, the NFL and NBA have collective bargaining agreements which the court used in part because those leagues use limiting the number of eligible players to help establish league parity. The unions agreed that limiting the available pool protected older, established players and were agreeable to the age limits.

Neither league has an upper age limit so as I said you'd easily have 18yo guys playing with 35yo guys, as you see in Europe. There would be no way to stop a "local club" from hiring an ex-NFL player.

You'd have a draft from high school or rich teams would REALLY just buy the league championships, even worse than today. From a coach's standpoint, that's great as recruiting sucks AND you'd stop the craziness of the portal because players would have pro contracts.

Again, I'm game but I'm unsure who wants to buy the Knoxville franchise? Haslam? 🤮
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I won’t accuse you of UNDERthinking this topic but that courtesy doesn’t extend to the OVER aspect. I cited European local teams solely to illustrate how lower schools can continuously operate and actually THRIVE better with local businesses allowed to directly contribute. Don’t delude yourself into thinking that college teams are going to abandon the auspice of amateurism. Just less hypocrisy in directly compensating their market value in a farm system for the next level.
 
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