UT under potential NCAA investigation for NIL

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Zues1 said:
Can the moderators remove Pat Fordes name from the thread title. It's not necessary to give him attention in this story.
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That's what sucks about it. He's now getting a LOT of attention, at the very least a lot of name dropping.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So you're saying the SEC and B1G and others should form a pro league? If you're compensating players to play a sport, they are pro athletes.

You're ready for the Vols to have unions, a draft, free agency rules, etc which are present in virtually every pro league? So, as pros how are you going to tell an athlete his "eligibility" expired? What about a guy dropping from the NFL to the SEC? You want to fight that legal battle over age discrimination?

The idea of a pro league essentially destroys lots of things about the college game which are unique. Think it through.
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Mebbe that happens…more likely it doesn’t. I believe it goes the way of the (now primarily defunct) PAC-12 attempt at such…before NIL. You have kids being recruited and landing deals and then WHAT…getting hit up on campus to pay UNION DUES? Why would a KID fresh with money sign up to do that? Made even more untempting if schools or conferences stipulate a reasonable minimum for anyone simply making the 85 or roster + whatever NIL you can scrounge up along the way? Players have been on the losing end of labor disputes since unions were (rightfully) created when they got basically nothing during the 20s and 30’s. You miss that first paycheck or need to skip that auto purchase to pay your dues and REALITY happens to ya!
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So you're saying the SEC and B1G and others should form a pro league? If you're compensating players to play a sport, they are pro athletes.

You're ready for the Vols to have unions, a draft, free agency rules, etc which are present in virtually every pro league? So, as pros how are you going to tell an athlete his "eligibility" expired? What about a guy dropping from the NFL to the SEC? You want to fight that legal battle over age discrimination?

The idea of a pro league essentially destroys lots of things about the college game which are unique. Think it through.
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Instead of going that route, you could see the NIL Collectives organize under a collective banner or organization, with membership and by-laws. Come up with agreements and rules that define who, what, and how they interact with the athletics environment & the institutions themselves. That would control the NIL scene, but something would have to take the place of the NCAA or they would have to stop this ridiculous charade of "enforcement" - something they could have done ages ago but they've been insistent on keeping their hands in the cookie jar and swatting everyone that comes by it away.

And to be fair, the No Free Agency aspect of college sports has already gone the way of the Dodo. The portal IS free agency.

Once SCOTUS says these players work for the school (officially that is - they've flirted all around it up to this point), all bets are off. And this latest stunt by the NCAA is going to force that to come to a head. Look no further than Justice Kavanaugh's statement on the Alston case to what the ultimate outcome of this is going to be:

"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. … The NCAA is not above the law"
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
As I said, then you're just creating a competitive league against the NFL, NBA, etc.

You're not going to be able to "recruit" players as we've seen. You're not going to be able to control how long they're on the team. You'll have 17yo guys playing with 35yo guys, as you see in Europe.

So yeah, if you're ready for the European Futbol model, I'll give it a whirl if the quality is there.
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Sure you can! Because the NFL went all the way to the SUPREME COURT to maintain the current system. NBA did the one year requirement because their vetting system was crap.
 
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Sara Clark said:
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Love that fiery response. They definitely seem prepared to take this all the way! Also, I know it's a long shot given how dirty recruiting is but maybe UT ends up actually benefitting some for sticking up for student athletes? It appears to be a theme in all these videos and messages so far.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Again you’re not seeing the end here. This isn’t about Tennessee it’s about NIL. Tennessee is just the highest profile target that the NCAA had the most leverage on. It does not end with Tennessee. Any program that benefitted from nil is a target.
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Agreed, certainly this is about NIL, but it is also about proper guidelines and equal enforcement of NIL. If you feel that the NCAA has a history of equal enforcement, we disagree on that.

My point is the NCAA will pick & choose its investigation targets and lay down its penalties unevenly. Many other schools will enjoy keeping a low profile at the expense of a competitor and to avoid risk of lifting their own skirts. That's what makes UVA & the VA AG interesting... who will join in? Let's watch.

This is presently a military battle... not yet a world war. Would be nice to see other allies (like VA) or other lawsuits that open a strategy of attacks on multiple fronts (like TX?). Not sure that having TA&M or the burnt orange UT $ joining in our attack is a good idea, as they would want to lead it and potentially use us as cannon fodder.
 
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The timing of this really is a head scratcher. Of all the problems the NCAA has to deal with, I can't comprehend why they would try to pick a fight with Tennessee with such a weak case. This could be the nail in their coffin. They have a national champion that was blatantly stealing signals and mountains of evidence. There are gambling issues. The referees are getting worse by the day. Yet they are trying to make a case against UT over something that every major program in the country openly does. It doesn't make sense.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
Love that fiery response. They're clearly prepared to take this all the way! Also, I know it's a long shot given how dirty recruiting is but maybe UT ends up actually benefitting some for sticking up for student athletes? It appears to be a theme in all these videos and messages so far.
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Outside looking in, I would think a recruit would like what they're seeing, regardless of what other Universities are whispering in their ears. I don't think this will hurt us, although, it'll take some time to find out.
 
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Volfan76 said:
The timing of this really is a head scratcher. Of all the problems the NCAA has to deal with, I can't comprehend why they would try to pick a fight with Tennessee with such a weak case. This could be the nail in their coffin. They have a national champion that was blatantly stealing signals and mountains of evidence. There are gambling issues. The referees are getting worse by the day. Yet they are trying to make a case against UT over something that every major program in the country openly does. It doesn't make sense.
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Bc NIL is the stake that kills them and they know it.
 
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Halph66 said:
The SEC should be asking to help lead this battle for all 14 Universities. The should be circling the wagons.
Let the NCAA know that this a unified Conference.
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Sorry, but in the real world it is dod eat dog. Is it possible the super booster Red Elephant Club is behind this attack to stop Tn recruiting?
 
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Paul Finebaum is crapping all over TN and Plowman and clearly has zero clue what the hell he is talking about. Time to retire this dinosaur as well. When he is this out of touch and his bias is this great, it’s time for the “human Q tip” to retire.
 
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Franklin_Vol09 said:
Paul Finebaum is crapping all over TN and Plowman and clearly has zero clue what the hell he is talking about. Time to retire this dinosaur as well. When he is this out of touch and his bias is this great, it’s time for the “human Q tip” to retire.
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Why are you listening/watching him? He's an idiot, and he's boring to boot.
 
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freedom fighter said:
Sorry, but in the real world it is dod eat dog. Is it possible the super booster Red Elephant Club is behind this attack to stop Tn recruiting?
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That’s my point. If the SEC was run by a true leader they would be driving this and bring the group together to fight for the SEC’s longevity.
Tennessee and Alabama don’t have to kiss and make up, but they need to have a unified voice. FAAFO mentality.
 
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SGidds said:
I think the worst case scenario is a post-season ban. The players aren’t sticking around for meangless games anymore, and they can transfer freely. If the NCAA says that Tennessee is ineligible for the college football playoff, not only will recruiting be next-to-impossible, but the roster will be decimated by the transfer portal.
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No. I don't see that happening.
 
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Franklin_Vol09 said:
Paul Finebaum is crapping all over TN and Plowman and clearly has zero clue what the hell he is talking about. Time to retire this dinosaur as well. When he is this out of touch and his bias is this great, it’s time for the “human Q tip” to retire.
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When? I seldom ever watch the guy, but I tuned in yesterday evening, he was in TN's corner, along with most all callers.
 
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Volfan76 said:
The timing of this really is a head scratcher. Of all the problems the NCAA has to deal with, I can't comprehend why they would try to pick a fight with Tennessee with such a weak case. This could be the nail in their coffin. They have a national champion that was blatantly stealing signals and mountains of evidence. There are gambling issues. The referees are getting worse by the day. Yet they are trying to make a case against UT over something that every major program in the country openly does. It doesn't make sense.
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And to pick the fight over “retroactively” looking for violations in something that is an absolute mess in terms of rules and control. Sorry but that dog won’t hunt.

Hard to comprehend what the NCAA is thinking but c’est la vie. The response by Spyre, Donde Plowman and the State of Tennessee was swift and to the point. They have messed with the bull and are about to get the horns if they don’t go away quietly. I’m on record as not being fond of the whole NIL and transfer portal mess but it’s here to stay and there is nothing anybody is going to do about it. Thinking about this overnight, I’m sort of glad this has reared it’s ugly head. Let’s get it out in the open and speed up the demise of the NCAA. If it takes UT being the lead dog, so be it.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I never said we were lucky but we absolutely got off light. If this was Bama, we would all be calling for multi-season postseason bans for them. Some of that was us being proactive, some of that was the weakened NCAA, and some of that involved the NCAA not asking the following follow up questions:

1. What did Fulmer know, what should have he known, and would have a competent AD known?

2. Why are all these players like Mims turning down $$$ at UT to go to Bama/UGA for free?

3. Where did Pruitt use those tactics previously?
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Those questions were definitely asked. There just wasn't any proof that Fulmer was complicit in the infractions. Plausible deniability.
 
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Sara Clark said:
When? I seldom ever watch the guy, but I tuned in yesterday evening, he was in TN's corner, along with most all callers.
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www.espn.com

Tennessee, Virginia AGs sue NCAA over NIL rules

The attorneys general of Tennessee and Virginia filed a lawsuit against the NCAA over NIL-related recruiting rules.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

He even makes it seem like the other schools have been asking for an investigation into TN. At least that is how it sounded to me.
 
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