UT under potential NCAA investigation for NIL

[WoodsmanVol]

After reading the NCAA response to the lawsuit, I don't see fault with them this time around. I have already posted that those whining about the kids getting a piece of the capitalism pie, is nothing new. But that, as usual, the fat cats will manipulate the NIL system to their advantage and exploit the players. The NCAA seems to be pretty much sating the same thing and trying to head off such exploitation. I may not like the NCAA, but I know the history of the country and its local, state, and federal level oligarchs' history of screwing over underprivileged folks. Whether they be minorities, poor White folks, women, or mules. from time to time, you see the same attitude among members of this very board as well. Maybe for once, the NCAA got it right.

NCAA Releases Statement Responding To Tennessee's Lawsuit | Rocky Top Insider

The NCAA released a statement on Wednesday evening responding to the Commonwealth of Virginia and State of Tennessee's lawsuit against NCAA.

www.rockytopinsider.com

 

[Carp]

Sure, Spyre can. But UT can’t host with recruiting activities when the trip was being paid for by anyone other than Nico’s family. That is the part you keep ignoring. The actual rules around unofficial visits.

UT Compliance has a document the coaching staff must submit where who paid for the trip was documented by the player and the coach acknowledging that he/she has no knowledge of anyone else paying.

OK. If Nike flys in Nico, like they would do with any athlete, high school or professional, you are telling me he couldn't then take a visit to Oregon while he was already there talking to Nike? What if Nike flew a high school recruit into their NYC location. Could that athlete not take visits to Rutgers, Penn State, and Maryland while they were there talking to Nike?

I highly doubt that is the case. That is why the NIL is separate from the school. They aren't being flown in for a visit. They are being flown in for an entirely separate business reason.

 

[ButchPlz]

OK. If Nike flys Nico, like they would do with any athlete, high school or professional, you are telling me he couldn't then take an official visit to Oregon while he was already there talking to Nike? What if Nike flew a high school recruit into their NYC location. Could that athlete not take official visits to Rutgers, Penn State, and Maryland while they were there talking to Nike?

I highly doubt that is the case. That is why the NIL is separate from the school. They aren't being flown in for an official visit. They are being flown in for an NIL deal with a separate entity.

By the Missouri Moron's logic, if I'm a high school athlete and my aunt and uncle fly me out somewhere I have to fly back home and pay for my own trip back to the same place to visit the college next door.

 

[CAVPUT]

It's more likely that Alabama will be implicated in this as well, which could be a reason why Saban decided he was done with all of it.

You really think the NCAA will cast an eye toward a bama program? They could have someone commit murder or be an accessory to it and nothing would happen.....oh wait. Yeah, I know those are 2 separate entities, but my point if still valid. Hell will freeze over before bama gets treated like UT. And let's be honest here. Every school is guilty...EVERY SCHOOL. Bama's skeletal closet is way, way more expansive than any other football program in history and look at where all the NCAA attention goes. It's like the Purdue/NW foul discrepancy. 46-8 in favor of Purdue and they manage to escape in OT? Nothing to see there, right? Just the way the game went? History is full of examples of corruption at all levels in all sports. At some point, some folks will decide that corruption is the norm and not an aberration. When you see things like this from the NCAA that make you say "you can't be serious" but then you look at history and more importantly, who stands to benefit, you start seeing things come into focus. Won't get into politics, but you see the same 2 tiered justice system applied all throughout society but especially with the elites vs the regular citizenry.

Bama can and always will operate with a level of impunity. Bama can and always will be given preferential treatment and yes, I do believe that certain people at bama can carry enough weight to inspire a "closer look" into a competitor from the NCAA. Am I saying that's what happened here? Under the circumstances...yes. I think it makes perfect sense. Unless this thing gets to court, the NCAA loses nothing. UT on the other hand carries the burden within the program and on the recruiting trail. Plus, the portal is now a very, very real concern at the next opening.

 

[Carp]

To illustrate this more, while Arch Manning was in high school, Nationwide could have decided they wanted to film a commercial with him and Peyton in LA. So they could fly him out to LA for a commercial and he would be completely free while he was there to visit USC, UCLA, SD State, Cal, Stanford, etc, and the NCAA can't say **** because he was there for a legitimate business reason.

 

[MHS Rebel]

So how does the NCAA get out of this and still become somewhat viable? The consensus is that they will lose in court, and if so, they are done. If they back off of Tennessee, they are also toast. What is the best that NCAA can hope for? Maybe give TN a quick slap on the wrist and move on?

 

[brentcontractor]

After reading the NCAA response to the lawsuit, I don't see fault with them this time around. I have already posted that those whining about the kids getting a piece of the capitalism pie, is nothing new. But that, as usual, the fat cats will manipulate the NIL system to their advantage and exploit the players. The NCAA seems to be pretty much sating the same thing and trying to head off such exploitation. I may not like the NCAA, but I know the history of the country and its local, state, and federal level oligarchs' history of screwing over underprivileged folks. Whether they be minorities, poor White folks, women, or mules. from time to time, you see the same attitude among members of this very board as well. Maybe for once, the NCAA got it right.

NCAA Releases Statement Responding To Tennessee's Lawsuit | Rocky Top Insider

The NCAA released a statement on Wednesday evening responding to the Commonwealth of Virginia and State of Tennessee's lawsuit against NCAA.

www.rockytopinsider.com

Problem with NCAA response:
NIL/Boosters - NCAA has turned a blind eye to some programs giving athletes benefits from booster. NIL brings it above table. Businesses with fans of a certain university are the ones willing to pay a player to represent them. Like Plowman said it is intelectually ingnorant.
NIL recruiting inductment - Missouri has passed a law stating that an NIL agreement sign includes commitment to state school. Have not seen a Missouri charge. NCAA enforcement is abitrary.
Further tilting imbalance in neighboring states - TN neighboring states include Alabama and Georgia. Since NCAA has shown a blind eye to those to programs and the Georgia President is on the NCAA board, this smells.

 

[rgvol]

Problem with NCAA response:
NIL/Boosters - NCAA has turned a blind eye to some programs giving athletes benefits from booster. NIL brings it above table. Businesses with fans of a certain university are the ones willing to pay a player to represent them. Like Plowman said it is intelectually ingnorant.
NIL recruiting inductment - Missouri has passed a law stating that an NIL agreement sign includes commitment to state school. Have not seen a Missouri charge. NCAA enforcement is abitrary.
Further tilting imbalance in neighboring states - TN neighboring states include Alabama and Georgia. Since NCAA has shown a blind eye to those to programs and the Georgia President is on the NCAA board, this smells.

I agree

 

[CAVPUT]

After reading the NCAA response to the lawsuit, I don't see fault with them this time around. I have already posted that those whining about the kids getting a piece of the capitalism pie, is nothing new. But that, as usual, the fat cats will manipulate the NIL system to their advantage and exploit the players. The NCAA seems to be pretty much sating the same thing and trying to head off such exploitation. I may not like the NCAA, but I know the history of the country and its local, state, and federal level oligarchs' history of screwing over underprivileged folks. Whether they be minorities, poor White folks, women, or mules. from time to time, you see the same attitude among members of this very board as well. Maybe for once, the NCAA got it right.

NCAA Releases Statement Responding To Tennessee's Lawsuit | Rocky Top Insider

The NCAA released a statement on Wednesday evening responding to the Commonwealth of Virginia and State of Tennessee's lawsuit against NCAA.

www.rockytopinsider.com

First, if they were serious about a level playing field, they would apply the rules and penalties evenly. I'd argue that they most certainly don't. Blue bloods rarely get taken to task and punished and if they do get "punishment", it's considered a slap on the wrist. They moan about "exploitation" yet they've been so totally inconsistent in how they handle things like eligibility with student athletes. Guess it depends on the school they're moving to? When's the last time bama or Michigan or OSU had a kid not have a decision on eligibility in time for the season start? How many times has UT had a player sit for months and months only to be cleared well after the season started? We've seen it with football and most recently in baseball. Back to the same article. Even there they offer a counterpoint to the "inequality" argument.

Perhaps the most peculiar statement from the NCAA was its insistence that using NIL as a recruiting tool was “further tilting competitive imbalance among schools in neighboring states”. In the last two years, both TCU and Washington have played for college football’s National Championship. Neither school had previously done so in the prior 23 years of the BCS or College Football Playoff.

I guess my final thought is if "equality" is the goal, how is it that during decades of dominance by the same few schools, they never were nailed by the NCAA? Never a whiff of irregularities? With all that talent stockpiled, are we to believe that it was all legit and no rules were broken? When it does seem that a team violates the rules, why is it seemingly never a bottom feeder or one of the elites, but it's usually a team that threatens the established order? A team that maybe gets a little too high on the ladder for comfort that needs to be taken down a rung or three that gets "caught" cheating? You think Freeze would have been taken out if he hadn't beaten Saban on the field multiple times? I don't. Even if it's never proven, the "investigation" or the threat of one does enough damage on it's own. Nah, the NCAA has zero virtues. They've been corrupted and co-opted as a weapon in college sports. If they faced damages for their conduct, I'd wager that a lot of these "leaks" and frivolous "investigations" would decrease exponentially. No offense and I really enjoy your posts, but while your heart is in the right place, you give that soulless, corrupt tool called the NCAA way too much credit. In truth, they deserve none.

 

[CAVPUT]

So how does the NCAA get out of this and still become somewhat viable? The consensus is that they will lose in court, and if so, they are done. If they back off of Tennessee, they are also toast. What is the best that NCAA can hope for? Maybe give TN a quick slap on the wrist and move on?

Again, I don't think it reaches the court room. Doesn't have to. The threat of investigation and penalties will have an impact. Guarantee you that if Nico were to be ruled "ineligible", it would only be at UT. He'd be free to move to a program like bama tho and be immediately eligible. Maybe this is an attempt to push Nico into the next portal? Even if it doesn't happen, this is certainly being used against us in recruiting and if still up in the air, the next portal window.

Until this thing moves to a court room, the NCAA can just sit and let it stew with the only damage being to UT. I'd be willing to bet the farm that this never reaches a court. I'll be completely pissed if we accept any...ANY.."punishment" this time around. Again, I have to question why it seems like UT gets so much attention from the NCAA? Maybe I'm not paying attention to other programs problems, but it seems like when we start to get things rolling in our athletics programs, the NCAA shows up on our doorstep. Why is that? Are we just slow learners or is there something else at play?

 

[Carp]

So how does the NCAA get out of this and still become somewhat viable? The consensus is that they will lose in court, and if so, they are done. If they back off of Tennessee, they are also toast. What is the best that NCAA can hope for? Maybe give TN a quick slap on the wrist and move on?

NCAA is trying to reign in control of NIL and this is how they are doing it. That's all it is. There will be more schools and player's named and in multiple sports. This is just the tip of the iceberg. UT is only making news nationally because we just got over an investigation a few months ago.

 

[FranklinVFL]

Boy…and we thought the refs were corrupt BEFORE we sued the NCAA…..

 

[GameTime]

This mess came out of nowhere...It's like the Dr. Pepper commercial saying "the portal is out of control"....

Since Nico seems to have one of the biggest contracts, that has been made public, we look like a good place for the NCAA to try and start to reel in the college programs and show they are still the boss....

I looked at Ole Miss's players roster, and they had right at 40 NIL contracts...I also checked several other schools and they all had large NIL contracts...

What a damn mess...

 

[CAVPUT]

This mess came out of nowhere...It's like the Dr. Pepper commercial saying "the portal is out of control"....

Since Nico seems to have one of the biggest contracts, that has been made public, we look like a good place for the NCAA to try and start to real in the college programs and show they are still the boss....

I looked at Ole Miss's players roster, and they had right at 40 NIL contracts...I also checked several other schools and they all had large NIL contracts...

What a damn mess...

If Nico had signed with bama under the same circumstances at same rumored numbers, do you think the NCAA would be on their front porch right now?

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

After reading the NCAA response to the lawsuit, I don't see fault with them this time around. I have already posted that those whining about the kids getting a piece of the capitalism pie, is nothing new. But that, as usual, the fat cats will manipulate the NIL system to their advantage and exploit the players. The NCAA seems to be pretty much sating the same thing and trying to head off such exploitation. I may not like the NCAA, but I know the history of the country and its local, state, and federal level oligarchs' history of screwing over underprivileged folks. Whether they be minorities, poor White folks, women, or mules. from time to time, you see the same attitude among members of this very board as well. Maybe for once, the NCAA got it right.

NCAA Releases Statement Responding To Tennessee's Lawsuit | Rocky Top Insider

The NCAA released a statement on Wednesday evening responding to the Commonwealth of Virginia and State of Tennessee's lawsuit against NCAA.

www.rockytopinsider.com

I understand your response and see some agreement with what you’re saying. However, the NCAA has repeatedly imposed their will at random without any true consistency. So to trust they’re going to do that process with NIL oversight is laughable. In fact, the very fact they’re going after TN when 90% of Power 5 Schools are currently doing, or have done, what they’re accusing us of doing but nothing is being done to them proves they are not the organization we need to enforce such rules.

 

[Carp]

This mess came out of nowhere...It's like the Dr. Pepper commercial saying "the portal is out of control"....

Since Nico seems to have one of the biggest contracts, that has been made public, we look like a good place for the NCAA to try and start to real in the college programs and show they are still the boss....

I looked at Ole Miss's players roster, and they had right at 40 NIL contracts...I also checked several other schools and they all had large NIL contracts...

What a damn mess...

I don't think Nico's deal has ever been made public. There was an article from a journalist stating his sources told him a recent high school signed an NIL worth roughly 8 million and the common assumption is that it was Nico. While it is probably likely, nothing has ever confirmed by anyone to my knowledge.

 

[DaddyChad]

After reading the NCAA response to the lawsuit, I don't see fault with them this time around. I have already posted that those whining about the kids getting a piece of the capitalism pie, is nothing new. But that, as usual, the fat cats will manipulate the NIL system to their advantage and exploit the players. The NCAA seems to be pretty much sating the same thing and trying to head off such exploitation. I may not like the NCAA, but I know the history of the country and its local, state, and federal level oligarchs' history of screwing over underprivileged folks. Whether they be minorities, poor White folks, women, or mules. from time to time, you see the same attitude among members of this very board as well. Maybe for once, the NCAA got it right.

NCAA Releases Statement Responding To Tennessee's Lawsuit | Rocky Top Insider

The NCAA released a statement on Wednesday evening responding to the Commonwealth of Virginia and State of Tennessee's lawsuit against NCAA.

www.rockytopinsider.com

the very crux of this case is the NCAA is limiting the market kids can use. This literally takes money out of the pockets of these players. Damn it’s hard to figure how people are missing that.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

After reading the NCAA response to the lawsuit, I don't see fault with them this time around. I have already posted that those whining about the kids getting a piece of the capitalism pie, is nothing new. But that, as usual, the fat cats will manipulate the NIL system to their advantage and exploit the players. The NCAA seems to be pretty much sating the same thing and trying to head off such exploitation. I may not like the NCAA, but I know the history of the country and its local, state, and federal level oligarchs' history of screwing over underprivileged folks. Whether they be minorities, poor White folks, women, or mules. from time to time, you see the same attitude among members of this very board as well. Maybe for once, the NCAA got it right.

NCAA Releases Statement Responding To Tennessee's Lawsuit | Rocky Top Insider

The NCAA released a statement on Wednesday evening responding to the Commonwealth of Virginia and State of Tennessee's lawsuit against NCAA.

www.rockytopinsider.com

This is an odd take. The NCAA is trying to control player opportunity not protect it. Alston stands for the proposition that such control is impermissible. The NCAA attempting to take the moral high ground is laughable.

 

[VolArmy74]

But salary caps won’t stop NIL.

You LEGALLY can’t set a cap on NIL, show me one Pro sport that does it?

NIL is owned by players and they can sell their NIL for whatever they want, read 9-0 SCOTUS ruling.

I do not get why people keep suggesting a cap when it ain’t LEGAL and won’t change the NIL mess unless STUPID players agree to it.

You can set a cap on pay in a collective bargaining situation but you would still have an uncapped NIL.

I'm referring to schools/conferences sharing their earnings. Not NIL.

 

[volinSmyrna]

 

[VolArmy74]

After reading the NCAA response to the lawsuit, I don't see fault with them this time around. I have already posted that those whining about the kids getting a piece of the capitalism pie, is nothing new. But that, as usual, the fat cats will manipulate the NIL system to their advantage and exploit the players. The NCAA seems to be pretty much sating the same thing and trying to head off such exploitation. I may not like the NCAA, but I know the history of the country and its local, state, and federal level oligarchs' history of screwing over underprivileged folks. Whether they be minorities, poor White folks, women, or mules. from time to time, you see the same attitude among members of this very board as well. Maybe for once, the NCAA got it right.

NCAA Releases Statement Responding To Tennessee's Lawsuit | Rocky Top Insider

The NCAA released a statement on Wednesday evening responding to the Commonwealth of Virginia and State of Tennessee's lawsuit against NCAA.

www.rockytopinsider.com

The current NCAA rules are the equivalent of you looking for a job, but you have to pick the part of the city you're going to work in without discussing what job you're going to do, or how much you'll be paid for it. That means your ability to negotiate a salary is completely gone.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

This whole debacle is an illustration of why the NCAA no longer works.

I've seen TONS of complaints that "the NIL and the portal are ruining football" and "somebody needs to do something about this NIL and portal madness" and "this is out of control and there's no way this should be like this."

So, the NCAA starts doing stuff to dampen NIL activity.

"OMG! Those bastards are trying to wreck football!" "You can't control NIL and they need to quit picking on us!" "Sue them out of existence!"

So, what do you guys want?

Do you want the Wild West of teams being able to recruit "by any means necessary" or do you want a body to have some oversight?

 

[Snapper58]

one question for some of the lawyers on here, if the NCAA hasn't either formally charged Tennessee with a violation or deemed us guilty of a violation, will the courts even rule on this case until Tennessee has actually been harmed?

 

[Volbrando]

This whole debacle is an illustration of why the NCAA no longer works.

I've seen TONS of complaints that "the NIL and the portal are ruining football" and "somebody needs to do something about this NIL and portal madness" and "this is out of control and there's no way this should be like this."

So, the NCAA starts doing stuff to dampen NIL activity.

"OMG! Those bastards are trying to wreck football!" "You can't control NIL and they need to quit picking on us!" "Sue them out of existence!"

So, what do you guys want?

Do you want the Wild West of teams being able to recruit "by any means necessary" or do you want a body to have some oversight?

I want there to be some clear rules everyone follows

the problem with that is, no one will and then the NCAA will cherry-pick who they come after like exhibit A

also the problem with that is there could be lawsuits saying those rules hurt some players from making more

 

[VOLtaism]

I thought name, image, likeness would be contracts made directly with the player from businesses for use of their name on jerseys or actually doing commercials. It was immediately turned into group licensing allowing multiple businesses to consolidate funds and payout to all the players and no validation of NIL used. It then took multiple turns from there playing players multi-million dollar contracts before they play a down. There is basically no end in sight as creativity and greed work hand in hand. Its like a pro team with no salary cap. This is now a business that is self destructing before our eyes. The flood has already begun and now the NCAA wants to build a dam, they will be crushed.