"UT's big recruiting weekend appears to be a massive hit with several elite JUCOs"

#51
#51
There were different names for it back in the day besides Juco. Prop 48 etc. Some of these guys need a year or two in a Juco or prep school program for academics as much as anything. The Vols have a pretty good resume historically of getting the most out of these guys. We should always check the Jucos out. Plenty of highly rated high school guys flame out without the baggage.
 
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#52
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Go back and look at our classes under Butch. Tons of projects, tons of wash outs... some of that is coaching, some of that is bad evaluation, some of it is just... padding the recruiting ranking so he'd have something to sell... to say he had a very good eye for talent is laughable... he lucked out with big legacy classes to help recruit in-state guys and had a ton of playing time to offer.

But yeah have fun believing he had a very good eye for talent... his 2013 class wasn't very pretty (understandable) and his 2016/17 were pretty weak, minus a few studs.
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You do know that 2013 was his first year and he had little to no time to put together a class right?

He was able to recruit:
Jaylen Reeves-Maybin
Josh Dobbs
Cam Sutton
Marquez North
Which all turned out pretty nice for us.

He doesn't have a good eye for talent?
Josh Dobbs
Cameron Sutton
John Kelly
All would have something to say about that.

You look at the potential candidates
Riley Ferguson
Tim Jordan
Shawn Shamburger
Josh Palmer

even throw in Will McBride and Sheriron Jones(time will tell)

He has an eye for talent and to say that he doesn't is laughable. I'll respectfully disagree with you on that.:hi:

So far the proof of the big time players being wash outs we're more than likely because of coaching.
 
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mdbvol said:
Seems to me that if this weekend was so great for these guys why didn't any of them commit? Don't bash me for being a Negavol. I trust CPF and CJP's judgement, CJP is telling players to look elsewhere, and not honoring offers by the prior staff, which is fine, but just see a bunch of noise but no body is committing???? In recruiting 2nd place means nothing!
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Some of these kids are committed elsewhere...poor form to commit here without decommitting there, first. Others are visiting for the first time. If Monday comes and we’re still at 9 commits, feel free to start :scare:
 
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EricberryFAN said:
You do know that 2013 was his first year and he had little to no time to put together a class right?

He was able to recruit:
Jaylen Reeves-Maybin
Josh Dobbs
Cam Sutton
Marquez North
Which all turned out pretty nice for us.

He doesn't have a good eye for talent?
Josh Dobbs
Cameron Sutton
John Kelly
All would have something to say about that.

You look at the potential candidates
Riley Ferguson
Tim Jordan
Shawn Shamburger
Josh Palmer

even throw in Will McBride and Sheriron Jones(time will tell)

He has an eye for talent and to say that he doesn't is laughable. I'll respectfully disagree with you on that.:hi:

So far the proof of the big time players being wash outs we're more than likely because of coaching.
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Butch Jones was a great recruiter - unfortunately players did not improve one inch from High School through UT's football developmental program
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
same with every player thats ever played the game so
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Exactly. If the recruits didn't have proven talent.....then they wouldn't have abundant college scholarship offers to begin with. They got talent - speed, hands, elusiveness, vision, IQ, instincts, physicality - but it's up to the coaches to put the players in the opportunity to display the talent. Pass on their knowledge, techniques, or any tips to make the young player better at football. I'm definitely alright with Pruitt going hard after a large number of JUCO recruits. They have talent, and we have holes. A good coach should be able to plug a few JUCOs into positions of need, and get production out of them. From what I can read....every one of the JUCOs that Pruitt is targetting(alot were in town for OVs) is solid in the talent/skills area, so it is a smart move in my opinion. Short on time to build relationships, so go hard at it, and grab alotta talent, and fill the holes, and see where the dust settles. Pruitt is going awfully hard on 6-8 very solid recruits that are currently already committed to Top25 schools. So if he can flip even just 1 or 2 of those....plus add in the JUCO help....plus some of the pieces still intact from the recruiting class he inherited.....we won't look too bad from the start. We could win 7 or 8 games in Pruitt's 1st year, before he even really gets his systems in place AND starts firing on all cylinders. He's showing us Vol fans that he's definitely not scared to go right at some big time recruits that he's gotta battle other top schools for. He's pushed his way into a few nice little recruiting battles already in his first 2 weeks. He won't win alot of them due to relationships, but still, I think he's gonna steal 1 or 2 big ones, and it'll open some eyes around the SEC and let them know we're ready to battle again in the Top Tier of the SEC. Some of these JUCOs look like solid upper level 4* talents too. This is gonna work out just fine. Very smart play. Shows that we've landed us a smart, maneuvering young Head Coach. Bring em all in Coach JP!
 
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butchna said:
Some of these kids are committed elsewhere...poor form to commit here without decommitting there, first Others are visiting for the first time. If Monday comes and we’re still at 9 commits, feel free to start :scare:
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Common practice / common sense. Apparently some people expect players to publicly commit to multiple schools...rolling eyes :loco:
 
#57
#57
Where the commits at though! Jk. I think we will land a few of these guys honestly.
 
#58
#58
I don't know why people are giving Pruitt crap about trying to get JUCOs. Yeah, a lot of them never pan out but the thing is that most of them are easier to transition unlike most HS kids. People honestly put too much faith in incoming freshman. Not every HS player will be a Barnett or a Adrian Peterson. JUCOs are more serviceable early on.

It's a smart move on his part if he wants to rejuvenate this roster. We have talent but with the number of injuries and depth issues, we need help right away to be competitive.
 
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wmcovol said:
Little would have started as a freshman if he’d been eligible. Tennessee placed him at JC and had him redshirt a yr there. They knew what he was a player. These current guys are all people Tennessee didn’t know from Joe Blow 2 months ago. Pruitt thinks they can play.

Pruitt knows the current roster is bleak in several areas thus the term “desperation” was used. Tennessee has 1 healthy upperclassman OL (Richmond) on the entire roster. That’s desperation to me.
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and at least he's doing something about it. He knows even if he got 3 or 4 5 star OL this year no way in hell they are SEC ready. It's not "desperate" it called being resourceful and not throwing away 2018 before starting... I think I trust his talent eye until he proves me wrong.
 
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#60
#60
Pruitt appears to be a solid coach. If we're making this concerted effort it means that we've looked at our team and realize that even w/ learning curve of frosh, they don't feel comfortable pulling in lower rated frosh that take time to develop. Additionally, if this is an overall strategy, it means it's been vetted w/ Fulmer...and I'd be real surprised if Saban didn't give him some input. Look at our OL. If we don't get Mays, we've got a lot of holes and depth concerns on OL. If all of these guys are early enrollees it would really help their opportunities for success...not sure if that's the case.
 
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njvols said:
Pruitt appears to be a solid coach. If we're making this concerted effort it means that we've looked at our team and realize that even w/ learning curve of frosh, they don't feel comfortable pulling in lower rated frosh that take time to develop. Additionally, if this is an overall strategy, it means it's been vetted w/ Fulmer...and I'd be real surprised if Saban didn't give him some input. Look at our OL. If we don't get Mays, we've got a lot of holes and depth concerns on OL. If all of these guys are early enrollees it would really help their opportunities for success...not sure if that's the case.
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Why do you say "if we don't get Mays"?

WE ARE NOT GETTING MAYS PEOPLE>>> NOT NOW NOT EVER>>
 
#62
#62
I hope we sign every one of the juco's.We need em.Pruitt could see all of our OL besides Trey could use a redshirt.Some just aren't ready or good enough.
 
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#64
VolBricks said:
Be careful of going the JUCO route, more times than not they are only marginally good players not studs.
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Makes sense for this staff to go this route when dealing with the LOS. Takes time for those guys to grow and mature. It would be nice to have the luxury of a stacked roster with linemen we've chosen and who are coming up through our system, but the reality is that Butch didn't do a great job evaluating, developing the kids on the roster. We need help and we need it yesterday. I'd love to sign 3-4 more Trey Smiths this year but that's not being realistic. He's the exception not the rule. Got no problem with needs being identified and addressed via juco players. It's the only way to meet some of these needs. Smart. Don't think this will be his standard M.O. Going forward. For next year though....bring 'em all on. Hell, I won't be upset if half this class is juco. We need a ton of help and we need it now.
 
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#67
We need help desperately. JUCOs are the only way. It doesn’t take a genius to see that. Almost unfathonable that after five years of Jones we are in this predicament.
 
#69
#69
Will there be any commitments though??????

Visitors are great but without commits it’s spinning wheels!
 
#70
#70
Don’t know why everyone is getting so touchy, it’s a mathematical fact that more times than not, JUCOs usually don’t live up to the hype. For every C Pat, there’s a Blair and a Albert Toenia
 
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fade route said:
Don’t know why everyone is getting so touchy, it’s a mathematical fact that more times than not, JUCOs usually don’t live up to the hype. For every C Pat, there’s a Blair and a Albert Toenia
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Spot on .. The only difference is really in the Lines And physically are they ready to play… They may still not be very good in some cases But strong enough to play. We saw firsthand when many freshmen and red shirt freshman not named Trey Smith were inserted into the offense line this year
 
#73
#73
I am guessing after last years OL play he wants a few more people ready to play. Without Mays, there isn’t another Freshman that could start. I like the offers to Juco OL as a way to fill that gap that will take another class to fill.

Personally I think they would fill a big gap if Kahlil moved to guard. Him and Trey would definitely create some running lanes. Hopefully with better coaching Richmond can handle the other OT slot and Trey handles the left side. We then need another OG and Center.
 
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#74
So 25 to 30 percent of jucos start 3 games their 1st year. I would bet the percentage of freshman who start 3 games their first year is much lower. So if you want to make an immediate impact and don't have time to build relationships with immediate impact type hs players but can with jucos, the odds say this is a good move. Probably won't be the same strategy next year. Also why didn't any wake up early and commit yet. Buncha slackers prolly.
 
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mdbvol said:
Seems to me that if this weekend was so great for these guys why didn't any of them commit? Don't bash me for being a Negavol. I trust CPF and CJP's judgement, CJP is telling players to look elsewhere, and not honoring offers by the prior staff, which is fine, but just see a bunch of noise but no body is committing???? In recruiting 2nd place means nothing!
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The weekend isn't over. Guys don't generally commit until the visit is over, which will be after the game today.
 
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