Vaccine or not?

[SpaceCoastVol]

Yeah, and when he claimed or insinuated he served in the military he ran away from another forum when asked to provide the branch he served in, where he went through basic training, his MOS, etc. Maybe he did and maybe he didn't, but usually when someone ghosts a thread after a question like that, they're probably fos.

His MOS is FOS.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What the hell do you care if someone wears a mask or not? MAGA people want to be free to lug around dangerous, useless weapons, but
get their knickers in a knot when some people wear masks. Go figure....

useless weapons? Please enlighten us as to what that means.

And I for one couldn't care less whether or not anyone wears a mask while driving alone in a convertible or not or in a room full of people. I just find it pathetic and sad

 

[Vol8188]

When Biden got elected, the political right/fox started a campaign to politicize Covid and the vaccines--fact. There have been efforts to portray the vaccines as unsafe when the FACT is they are safe. Does that mean that there /won't be any adverse reactions? No, of course not. But more than two-thirds of the country has been vaxxed and there have been no significant issues.

The CDC is independent and almost entirely government funded save for a little private foundation money. The FDA is a different story. It gets about 40 percent of its funding from drug company "user fees," and there has long been too much of a relationship between the drug companies and the regulatory agency. There are certainly instances of the industry having too much sway over the FDA, and no question the opioid crisis was a major regulatory failure that got a LOT of people killed, partly because there are in fact a lot of corrupt doctors in American who prescribe drugs too often and too easily. One big problem is that there is far too much direct to consumer advertising by drug companies, who go over the heads of the medical community and try to gin up demand for their drugs with TV commercials and other advertising. I think drug advertising should be banned. Even though it can sometimes cave in to drug industry pressure, the FDA nevertheless seems to do a solid job of analyzing the efficacy and safety of new drugs--powerful pain killers being the unfortunate exception. I can certainly be skeptical of big business/big pharm---but when it comes a global/national health crisis, as we had with Covid, my feeling is that there is a genuine effort by everyone to do the right thing for the public. That doesn't mean mistakes weren't made or that there wasn't confusion or uncertainty about particular issues, but this was the first major pandemic the U.S. has experienced in decades. Everyone did the best they could.

This is interesting. You seem to agree the FDA has been captured. Yet you still accept their claims about the vaccine. You seem to believe the CDC is better despite the fact that their director was openly lying to congress about funding gain of function research at the Wuhan lab.

You are also going with the "I trust the experts claim" despite the fact that I've shown you "experts" (WHO) who disagree with your experts (CDC).

Advertising is not the issue and there is no "going over the head of the medical community". Advertisers don't have prescription pads (outdated term, but it works here).

The FDA does a terrible job. I can do 12 studies of a new drug vs placebo, placebo can have the better outcome in 11/12 and I can only send them the 1 study my new drug won in order to have it approved.

Everyone doing their best isn't the question here. The question is how safe is the drug, what do the studies say about that, and can we take the word of the CDC as gospel?

 

[ButchPlz]

useless weapons? Please enlighten us as to what that means.

And I for one couldn't care less whether or not anyone wears a mask while driving alone in a convertible or not or in a room full of people. I just find it pathetic and sad

And funny.

 

[ButchPlz]

This is interesting. You seem to agree the FDA has been captured. Yet you still accept their claims about the vaccine. You seem to believe the CDC is better despite the fact that their director was openly lying to congress about funding gain of function research at the Wuhan lab.

You are also going with the "I trust the experts claim" despite the fact that I've shown you "experts" (WHO) who disagree with your experts (CDC).

Advertising is not the issue and there is no "going over the head of the medical community". Advertisers don't have prescription pads (outdated term, but it works here).

The FDA does a terrible job. I can do 12 studies of a new drug vs placebo, placebo can have the better outcome in 11/12 and I can only send them the 1 study my new drug won in order to have it approved.

Everyone doing their best isn't the question here. The question is how safe is the drug, what do the studies say about that, and can we take the word of the CDC as gospel?

The CDC is certainly part of the revolving door of "experts" and staff between big pharma, universities, industry groups, and government. If someone claims they're "independent", you can immediately discard everything else they say.

You're witnessing firsthand the mentality of a useful idiot.

 

[VolinWayne]

You've lost on the safety issue. You and others can keep finding individual cases of supposed adverse reactions here and there, but the bottom
line is the vaccines are safe. Not 100 percent safe, but close to it.

Nothing is 100 percent safe: You can't be 100 percent sure that when you walk out of your house, that debris from an orbiting satellite doesn't fall out of the sky, hit you in the head and kill you. The best advice is to read what experts and expert organizations have to say, stay away from opinions from politicians, cable talk-show hosts, conspiracy theorists, bloggers or anybody with a partisan or ideological bent, and make an informed decision. And that's true of every issue, not just this one.

Here is a new study that once again confirms that the covid vaccine is absolutely totally safe.

NEW - Large multicenter study published in Nature finds "individuals with COVID-19 vaccination had a higher risk of all forms of retinal vascular occlusion in 2 years after vaccination, with an overall hazard ratio of 2.19."

Additionally, individuals with first and second dose of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 had "significantly increased risk of retinal vascular occlusion 2 years following vaccination."

Risk assessment of retinal vascular occlusion after COVID-19 vaccination | npj Vaccines

 

[C-south]

When Biden got elected, the political right/fox started a campaign to politicize Covid and the vaccines--fact. There have been efforts to portray the vaccines as unsafe when the FACT is they are safe. Does that mean that there /won't be any adverse reactions? No, of course not. But more than two-thirds of the country has been vaxxed and there have been no significant issues.

The CDC is independent and almost entirely government funded save for a little private foundation money. The FDA is a different story. It gets about 40 percent of its funding from drug company "user fees," and there has long been too much of a relationship between the drug companies and the regulatory agency. There are certainly instances of the industry having too much sway over the FDA, and no question the opioid crisis was a major regulatory failure that got a LOT of people killed, partly because there are in fact a lot of corrupt doctors in American who prescribe drugs too often and too easily. One big problem is that there is far too much direct to consumer advertising by drug companies, who go over the heads of the medical community and try to gin up demand for their drugs with TV commercials and other advertising. I think drug advertising should be banned. Even though it can sometimes cave in to drug industry pressure, the FDA nevertheless seems to do a solid job of analyzing the efficacy and safety of new drugs--powerful pain killers being the unfortunate exception. I can certainly be skeptical of big business/big pharm---but when it comes a global/national health crisis, as we had with Covid, my feeling is that there is a genuine effort by everyone to do the right thing for the public. That doesn't mean mistakes weren't made or that there wasn't confusion or uncertainty about particular issues, but this was the first major pandemic the U.S. has experienced in decades. Everyone did the best they could.

99% of people that contracted Covid beat it easily and didn’t need an unproven vaccine.

 

[Vol8188]

Here is a new study that once again confirms that the covid vaccine is absolutely totally safe.

NEW - Large multicenter study published in Nature finds "individuals with COVID-19 vaccination had a higher risk of all forms of retinal vascular occlusion in 2 years after vaccination, with an overall hazard ratio of 2.19."

Additionally, individuals with first and second dose of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 had "significantly increased risk of retinal vascular occlusion 2 years following vaccination."

Risk assessment of retinal vascular occlusion after COVID-19 vaccination | npj Vaccines

And you should give this vaccine to your 6 month old according to the “experts” that @turbovol trusts

 

[Vol8188]

99% of people that contracted Covid beat it easily and didn’t need an unproven vaccine.

His first sentence is amazingly dumb. “Why didn’t Fox News and the right attack the vaccine before Biden was elected!”

Hmmm….maybe because there was no vaccine?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

His first sentence is amazingly dumb. “Why didn’t Fox News and the right attack the vaccine before Biden was elected!”

Hmmm….maybe because there was no vaccine?

Fox never attacked the vaccine as much as they attacked the Biden mandates....

 

[Vol8188]

Fox never attacked the vaccine as much as they attacked the Biden mandates....

It’s just so insane that he thinks Fox News should have been discussing the issues with the vaccine before the vaccine was even on the market

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It’s just so insane that he thinks Fox News should have been discussing the issues with the vaccine before the vaccine was even on the market

Anybody with common horse sense should have known that vaccines that had less than a year to be experimented with were dubious.

 

[joevol33]

When Biden got elected, the political right/fox started a campaign to politicize Covid and the vaccines--fact. There have been efforts to portray the vaccines as unsafe when the FACT is they are safe. Does that mean that there /won't be any adverse reactions? No, of course not. But more than two-thirds of the country has been vaxxed and there have been no significant issues.

The CDC is independent and almost entirely government funded save for a little private foundation money. The FDA is a different story. It gets about 40 percent of its funding from drug company "user fees," and there has long been too much of a relationship between the drug companies and the regulatory agency. There are certainly instances of the industry having too much sway over the FDA, and no question the opioid crisis was a major regulatory failure that got a LOT of people killed, partly because there are in fact a lot of corrupt doctors in American who prescribe drugs too often and too easily. One big problem is that there is far too much direct to consumer advertising by drug companies, who go over the heads of the medical community and try to gin up demand for their drugs with TV commercials and other advertising. I think drug advertising should be banned. Even though it can sometimes cave in to drug industry pressure, the FDA nevertheless seems to do a solid job of analyzing the efficacy and safety of new drugs--powerful pain killers being the unfortunate exception. I can certainly be skeptical of big business/big pharm---but when it comes a global/national health crisis, as we had with Covid, my feeling is that there is a genuine effort by everyone to do the right thing for the public. That doesn't mean mistakes weren't made or that there wasn't confusion or uncertainty about particular issues, but this was the first major pandemic the U.S. has experienced in decades. Everyone did the best they could.

Good grief you're full of lies. Your side started calling anybody who didn't want it "trumpers" first , even though trump was the first one talking about it.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Fox never attacked the vaccine as much as they attacked the Biden mandates....

I think all the Fox people, with very few exceptions, took the vaccine.

 

[joevol33]

I think all the Fox people, with very few exceptions, took the vaccine.

That's what tickled me about democrats calling anybody who didn't get it trumpers and such. Most everyone I know who took it, are conservatives. The majority of people I know who absolutely refused it, were Mexican. Now I understand that's just in my area, but still. You had the majority of inner city folks refusing it, and it's the black community, and I assure you they didn't vote trump. Ol TurboTax making it political, while trying to blame republicans for making it political .

 

[ButchPlz]

That's what tickled me about democrats calling anybody who didn't get it trumpers and such. Most everyone I know who took it, are conservatives. The majority of people I know who absolutely refused it, were Mexican. Now I understand that's just in my area, but still. You had the majority of inner city folks refusing it, and it's the black community, and I assure you they didn't vote trump. Ol TurboTax making it political, while trying to blame republicans for making it political .

I know zero Latinos that got it. And I know a whole lot of Latinos.

 

[VolinWayne]

I know zero Latinos that got it. And I know a whole lot of Latinos.

I have a couple of Hispanics who work for me who got it. One of them started complaining about his chest hurting approximately 3 weeks after he got it. He went to the doctor and they said nothing was wrong and had no explanation of why he was having chest pains

 

[VolinWayne]

Something is wrong with this math

Cleveland Clinic Study Reveals More COVID Vax Doses = MORE COVID

"Cleveland Clinic is rated the number two hospital in the world. And so, when a study comes out of Cleveland Clinic, people take it very seriously," explained Steve Kirsch. "And this study was devastating for the vaccine."

What they found was that people who took four doses or more were about 3.5 TIMES more likely to be infected with COVID than unvaccinated individuals.

You can read the study here: Effectiveness of the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Bivalent Vaccine

Full Interview: Top US Hospital: For Every Vaccine Dose, Rate of COVID-19 Infection Goes Up

 

[hUTch2002]

You've lost on the safety issue. You and others can keep finding individual cases of supposed adverse reactions here and there, but the bottom
line is the vaccines are safe. Not 100 percent safe, but close to it.

Nothing is 100 percent safe: You can't be 100 percent sure that when you walk out of your house, that debris from an orbiting satellite doesn't fall out of the sky, hit you in the head and kill you. The best advice is to read what experts and expert organizations have to say, stay away from opinions from politicians, cable talk-show hosts, conspiracy theorists, bloggers or anybody with a partisan or ideological bent, and make an informed decision. And that's true of every issue, not just this one.

The premise that the danger is enough to require a vaccine is what’s lost.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[allvol123]

Whew…for a minute there I was worried Chelsea wasn’t going to be a POS like her parents.

 

[hog88]

Whew…for a minute there I was worried Chelsea wasn’t going to be a POS like her parents.

Was Webb Hubble a POS?

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

 

[Franklin Pierce]

9-Year-Old Boy's Life Hangs in the Balance: Denied Transplant Over Vaccination Status

Despite the fact that COVID-19 is no longer a major threat to anyone, the COVID cult is still in effect, and it could cost a nine-year-old boy his life. The COVID regime has already caused immense damage and ruined far too many lives. But, unfortunately, it appears the cult is not through with us just yet.


Tanner Donaldson, a 9-year-old boy with stage 4 chronic kidney disease, was born with a rare birth defect causing irreversible kidney damage. Tanner’s father, Dane Donaldson, is a suitable live kidney donor, but due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Cleveland Clinic Children’s Hospital has refused to conduct the transplant surgery because Dane is not vaccinated against the coronavirus.

The hospital has a policy that requires all organ donors to be fully vaccinated to minimize complications during and after surgery. Dane questioned the hospital’s hypocrisy, pointing out that deceased organ donors are not required to be vaccinated. He even offered to sign a waiver freeing the hospital from liability.

9-Year-Old Boy's Life Hangs in the Balance: Denied Transplant Over Vaccination Status