Vaccine or not?

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NurseGoodVol said:
it’s a crap shoot. They contain 4 strains (2 for A and 2 for B) for the recombinant, cell strain and egg produced shots for 23-24 flu season.
If you encounter the other 4 strains you have zero effectiveness from the shot, your naturally acquired immunity may cover you.
That’s a personal choice for you. You have to consider your health, previous flu infections and your exposure risks.
I can’t take it due to side effects.
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I take it every year. Last flu was March of 06. First flu shot, Oct 06.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Am I reading this correctly? Are they saying in 2022 there was a total of 4 total "cardiac/sudden cardiac arrest" cases in all levels of football. I am fairly certain this data is not reliable is it? I feel pretty confident I have listed more legitimate cases then 4 of athletes in football who died suddenly of cardiac issues.

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This includes those that died during game, practice, or conditioning and this same methodology has gone back for years with no increase in cardiac deaths during games, practice, or conditioning.

The football players you have mentioned (like the AF guy) did not die during any of those 3 activities since he died doing non football activity (walking to class)...

If the vax killed 6 million people from heart disease in the US last year (like another poster claimed), you wouldn't see a 60% (from 10 to 4) decrease in these deaths from 2019 to 2022 during football activities
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
This includes those that died during game, practice, or conditioning and this same methodology has gone back for years with no increase in cardiac deaths during games, practice, or conditioning.

The football players you have mentioned (like the AF guy) did not die during any of those 3 activities since he died doing non football activity (walking to class)...

If the vax killed 6 million people from heart disease in the US last year (like another poster claimed), you wouldn't see a 60% (from 10 to 4) decrease in these deaths from 2019 to 2022 during football activities
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I'm not making a claim that it killed 6 million people. I'll do some research today and see what cases I can find in 2022 of football players who had injuries such as cardiac or blood clot related. That number seems really low
 
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VolinWayne said:
I'm not making a claim that it killed 6 million people. I'll do some research today and see what cases I can find in 2022 of football players who had injuries such as cardiac or blood clot related. That number seems really low
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It seems low but it only covers practice, conditioning, and game. If the kid went home and died in his sleep 8 hours later, that wouldn't count in this total (wouldn't count in 2019 totals either).
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
It seems low but it only covers practice, conditioning, and game. If the kid went home and died in his sleep 8 hours later, that wouldn't count in this total (wouldn't count in 2019 totals either).
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There are at least 6 or 7 cases in this list that happened during practice, conditioning or the game. I'm sure I have missed a few.

High School Football Star in Need of a New Heart After a Major Heart Attack - Survive the News

Blood clot. Not sure how this would count.
Rams LT Alaric Jackson to miss rest of season with blood clots


Panthers defensive end Henry Anderson reveals he suffered a STROKE before Bucs game | Daily Mail Online

This happened minutes into the game
Damar Hamlin incident mirrors Colorado Springs high school football collapse due to heart condition | KRDO

This happened during practice
Benedictine football player revived after cardiac event in practice


Not sure if this happened during a practice or a workout?
Cardinals' JJ Watt opens up about 'very emotional' heart scare


This student died during a flag football game
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/high-school-student-dies-during-flag-football-game

10-Year-Old Dies Unexpectedly After Fulfilling Dream of Playing Football Under the Lights


Suffered a medical emergency at practice
16-Year-Old Dies After Experiencing 'Medical Emergency' at Football Practice - Third Student This Year

Ouachita Baptist lineman Clark Yarbrough dead at 21

6 Feet of Blood Clots Removed from High School Football Player's Legs, Ends His Career


Collapsed during the game
High school football player collapsed after game, needs open heart surgery

Galion student-athlete remembered after his unexpected death


Teen Football Player Abraham Romero Dies After Brain Bruise Diagnosis, Coma

FIU linebacker Luke Knox dead at 22

Football Player Dies After Collapsing On College Campus In Deerfield

Sam Hartman to miss 'extended' time with mystery condition




Lost consciousness right after practice
Students to honor Clayton middle schooler Braden Fahey after death following football practice - insideheadline

Stamford High School Student, 16, Dies Suddenly: Report

KY high school football player falls ill, dies after helping with flood cleanup


Collapsed while team was working out
Brandon HS football player dies

Tragedy as former Denver Broncos offensive linesman and Notre Dame star dies aged just 35 | Daily Mail Online

Alabama State football player Awysum Harris found dead in his dorm room

Visitation for Breathitt County football player announced

Happened while playing in a game
5-year-old in critical condition after suffering cardiac arrest on football field


https://abtc.ng/jackson-buresh-deat...unior-jackson-buresh-cause-of-death-obituary/

Towson Tigers mourn death of Kobe Young as football star passes away

Mekbul Timmer dead: Jeff and Mattie Timmer's 18-year-old son dies 'unexpectedly'

Nathan W. “Big Nate” Cunningham 2004-2022

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-new...wyoming-schools-mourning-death-of-recent-grad


Lost consciousness right after a practice and died later

Students to honor Clayton middle schooler Braden Fahey after death following football practice - insideheadline

Stamford High School Student, 16, Dies Suddenly: Report

KY high school football player falls ill, dies after helping with flood cleanup

Brandon HS football player dies

Tragedy as former Denver Broncos offensive linesman and Notre Dame star dies aged just 35 | Daily Mail Online

Alabama State football player Awysum Harris found dead in his dorm room

Visitation for Breathitt County football player announced

5-year-old in critical condition after suffering cardiac arrest on football field

Middle school football team honors 11-year-old boy who died suddenly before season started


https://abtc.ng/jackson-buresh-deat...unior-jackson-buresh-cause-of-death-obituary/

Towson Tigers mourn death of Kobe Young as football star passes away

Mekbul Timmer dead: Jeff and Mattie Timmer's 18-year-old son dies 'unexpectedly'

Nathan W. “Big Nate” Cunningham 2004-2022

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-new...wyoming-schools-mourning-death-of-recent-grad
 
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VolinWayne said:
There are at least 6 or 7 cases in this list that happened during practice, conditioning or the game. I'm sure I have missed a few.

High School Football Star in Need of a New Heart After a Major Heart Attack - Survive the News

Rams LT Alaric Jackson to miss rest of season with blood clots

Cabarrus County football player recovering at hospital after surviving stroke

Panthers defensive end Henry Anderson reveals he suffered a STROKE before Bucs game | Daily Mail Online

Damar Hamlin incident mirrors Colorado Springs high school football collapse due to heart condition | KRDO

Benedictine football player revived after cardiac event in practice

Cardinals' JJ Watt opens up about 'very emotional' heart scare

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/high-school-student-dies-during-flag-football-game

10-Year-Old Dies Unexpectedly After Fulfilling Dream of Playing Football Under the Lights

16-Year-Old Dies After Experiencing 'Medical Emergency' at Football Practice - Third Student This Year

Ouachita Baptist lineman Clark Yarbrough dead at 21

6 Feet of Blood Clots Removed from High School Football Player's Legs, Ends His Career

High school football player collapsed after game, needs open heart surgery

Galion student-athlete remembered after his unexpected death


Teen Football Player Abraham Romero Dies After Brain Bruise Diagnosis, Coma

FIU linebacker Luke Knox dead at 22

Football Player Dies After Collapsing On College Campus In Deerfield

Sam Hartman to miss 'extended' time with mystery condition





Students to honor Clayton middle schooler Braden Fahey after death following football practice - insideheadline

Stamford High School Student, 16, Dies Suddenly: Report

KY high school football player falls ill, dies after helping with flood cleanup

Brandon HS football player dies

Tragedy as former Denver Broncos offensive linesman and Notre Dame star dies aged just 35 | Daily Mail Online

Alabama State football player Awysum Harris found dead in his dorm room

Visitation for Breathitt County football player announced

5-year-old in critical condition after suffering cardiac arrest on football field


https://abtc.ng/jackson-buresh-deat...unior-jackson-buresh-cause-of-death-obituary/

Towson Tigers mourn death of Kobe Young as football star passes away

Mekbul Timmer dead: Jeff and Mattie Timmer's 18-year-old son dies 'unexpectedly'

Nathan W. “Big Nate” Cunningham 2004-2022

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-new...wyoming-schools-mourning-death-of-recent-grad


Students to honor Clayton middle schooler Braden Fahey after death following football practice - insideheadline

Stamford High School Student, 16, Dies Suddenly: Report

KY high school football player falls ill, dies after helping with flood cleanup

Brandon HS football player dies

Tragedy as former Denver Broncos offensive linesman and Notre Dame star dies aged just 35 | Daily Mail Online

Alabama State football player Awysum Harris found dead in his dorm room

https://www.wymt.com/2022/06/09/visitation-breathitt-county-football-player-announced/

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/05/...r-suffering-cardiac-arrest-on-football-field/

https://news.yahoo.com/middle-school-football-team-honors-215832353.html


https://abtc.ng/jackson-buresh-deat...unior-jackson-buresh-cause-of-death-obituary/

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/03/14/kobe-young-death/

https://www.monstersandcritics.com/...ie-timmers-18-year-old-son-dies-unexpectedly/

https://www.chanute.com/obituaries/article_9004a5f0-734b-11ec-9567-8b717e49974f.html

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-new...wyoming-schools-mourning-death-of-recent-grad
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I counted 5** deaths that occurred during the practice/conditioning/game

1 was brain injury

1 was unorganized flag football game (wouldn't be in 2019 or 2022 stats)

3 were non traumatic injury practice/game deaths. Heat might have impacted 1.

** I might have missed 1.

Most of other deaths listed happened at home, school, etc.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
My conspiracy theory mind tells me this was a bio weapon that got out by accidental release. It’s not a surprise, to me anyway, that it has some nasty side effects. And when they built a vaccine for it that the side effects were in the vaccine too.
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I think most of us if we are honest would probably agree that both covid and the vaccine come with side effects. I guess where Im coming from is only one of these was mandated on a large percentage of the population. Only one of these is still being talked about by our leaders and so many of their talking heads as "the best thing since sliced bread". Only one of these threatens so many of our liberties and freedoms in the future (when the next pandemic comes) with the introduction of vaccine passports. Now picture them incorporating the digital dollar to the vaccine passport. This is why I speak out and will continue to speak out against this thing they call a vaccine.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
My conspiracy theory mind tells me this was a bio weapon that got out by accidental release.
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I don't think you have to be considered a "conspiracist" to have that view of CV19, anymore. I would surmise that's a majority opinion, at this point.

The accidental release is the question.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hanlon's razor - Wikipedia

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

I can't imagine the Chinese intentionally releasing a bioweapon in their own country.
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You can’t imagine the Chinese releasing a bio weapon that primarily kills the elderly in a country overpopulated with the elderly?
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
it’s a crap shoot. They contain 4 strains (2 for A and 2 for B) for the recombinant, cell strain and egg produced shots for 23-24 flu season.
If you encounter the other 4 strains you have zero effectiveness from the shot, your naturally acquired immunity may cover you.
That’s a personal choice for you. You have to consider your health, previous flu infections and your exposure risks.
I can’t take it due to side effects.
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I've gotten it occasionally, but not every year until recently. I haven't had flu since I was 5, but I've developed some health issues (shortly after I had what i think was covid, maybe a coincidence maybe not) and my doc recommends. Haven't had any adverse reactions, but i know others that have.
 
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hog88 said:
You can’t imagine the Chinese releasing a bio weapon that primarily kills the elderly in a country overpopulated with the elderly?
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The risk of releasing a virus intentionally on your own soil has a dangerous risk of getting out of hand and going far beyond a targeted demographic. The alleged plotters would be putting themselves at risk doing that.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I don't think you have to be considered a "conspiracist" to have that view of CV19, anymore. I would surmise that's a majority opinion, at this point.

The accidental release is the question.
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We hear the leaders of the WEF speak. Should we not take them at their word. These are evil people.
We see the western nations overrun with immigrants
We see the shame of whiteness
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The risk of releasing a virus intentionally on your own soil has a dangerous risk of getting out of hand and going far beyond a targeted demographic. The alleged plotters would be putting themselves at risk doing that.
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i would bet dollars to donuts the elect didn’t get vaccinated
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The risk of releasing a virus intentionally on your own soil has a dangerous risk of getting out of hand and going far beyond a targeted demographic. The alleged plotters would be putting themselves at risk doing that.
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There's still the issue of a) why in the world did it not kill millions of Chinese, or b) how did they hide all those dead bodies?

The crazy "quarantine" efforts here and around the world demonstrated that the thing was either still going to spread, or it would spread when mandates were lifted. They live live sardines packed into skyscrapers in dozens of cities the size of New York, and they were having massive parties only months later. Yet, IIRC, they reported something like 80k deaths.

Something doesn't add up. Was it engineered not to be as virulent in people with certain genetic traits? I don't know.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
There's still the issue of a) why in the world did it not kill millions of Chinese, or b) how did they hide all those dead bodies?
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Well, I think they were simply lying about the number of deaths. Period. I think it was far higher than they reported. But at the same time, I don't believe the rumor of "missing cellphones" that was floating around that was leading people to say there were over 20 million dead. I would say likely 1.5 - 2 million, at best that died. I only pull that number out since China is roughly 3 times the size of the US and I think we exaggerated our numbers here for political affect.
 
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