Vaccine or not?

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BigOrangeMojo said:
This includes those that died during game, practice, or conditioning and this same methodology has gone back for years with no increase in cardiac deaths during games, practice, or conditioning.

The football players you have mentioned (like the AF guy) did not die during any of those 3 activities since he died doing non football activity (walking to class)...

If the vax killed 6 million people from heart disease in the US last year (like another poster claimed), you wouldn't see a 60% (from 10 to 4) decrease in these deaths from 2019 to 2022 during football activities
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Come on Mojo. You’re claiming a sample size of 10 people is enough to draw any kind of conclusion from? I agree there’s a lot of very sketchy numbers thrown around on here but a sample size of 10 tells you nothing no matter what you’re arguing. The same would be true if the number had gone from 10 to 15. That wouldn’t mean the $6M number is correct.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Come on Mojo. You’re claiming a sample size of 10 people is enough to draw any kind of conclusion from? I agree there’s a lot of very sketchy numbers thrown around on here but a sample size of 10 tells you nothing no matter what you’re arguing. The same would be true if the number had gone from 10 to 15. That wouldn’t mean the $6M number is correct.
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The sample size would be the 4 million people who play organized football, not the number who died...

And we both know if it went from 10 to 15, the other side would be claiming a 50% increase in deaths. They would then extrapolate that number to the entire population as a whole and end up with a death number that is greater than the total number of deaths in the US for all ages and issues....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
The sample size would be the 4 million people who play organized football, not the number who died...

And we both know if it went from 10 to 15, the other side would be claiming a 50% increase in deaths. They would then extrapolate that number to the entire population as a whole and end up with a death number that is greater than the total number of deaths in the US for all ages and issues....
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I agree the other side would do as you say but no, when you’re talking about the change in count your sample is 10 because that’s your baseline. You’re measuring change from that 10. It’s just not enough to be meaningful. Just because the other side would extrapolate that over the entire population doesn’t mean you should. It’s the same thing. 10 to 4, 10 to 15, either way it’s statistically irrelevant.
 
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And the conclusion of the study says that ivermectin isn’t harmful to people with Covid. (We knew that)
But, and I’m coping from the conclusion…….

“Clinical trials are necessary to appraise the effects of ivermectin on COVID-19 in clinical setting and this warrants additional investigation for possible benefits in humans in the current and future pandemics.”

^^^^^^^still nothing from all the current trials to suggest that it works Vs Covid.

-Should you be allowed to take it if your Dr prescribed it for you? Absolutely. That’s between you and your Dr.
-should we stop pretending it works and was being suppressed? Absolutely. There’s still no proof it’s anything other than a placebo.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
^^^^^^^still nothing from all the current trials to suggest that it works Vs Covid..
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I can not tell you how rediculous it sounds to look for "clinical" trials during a pandemic when pathology is all you will have available. Unless maybe your conceeding that covid was a lab created bio weapon, and those that created the vaxx knew that and worked on it before it's release. Tell me exactly how you do clinical trials on ivermectin during a pandemic and get results in time for use?

In any case we had zero REAL clinical trials for the vaxx. Only 170 event trials, which were most likely intentionally skewed, to get teh cash grab. And now we're paying for it.

They also KNEW there wereplenty of dangers.
They always knew that the LNPs platform (mRNA technology payload also) was dangerous: "Pro-inflammatory concerns with lipid nanoparticles"; they knew it was dangerous to reproductive system, so why?


However we have plenty of pathology evidence to show where ever Ivermectin was tried, it showed positive and very noticable improvement. You have to have intentional blinders on to refuse to see the evidence. There's evidence from around the world where it was used successfully.

Again see https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/imo/media/doc/Testimony-Kory-2020-12-08.pdf

If you want to ignore all that actual live pandemic pathology evidence citing "clinical trials", you are being obtuse on purpose. I can not beleive you are medically that ignorant.

Exactly how much to you owe Phizer anyway? You sound like a rep. Joking aside, I really would like to understand your very obvious personal stake in this. Mine was nearly dying, and seeing people die around me.


The rediculousness of this, all for a money grab and now millions harmed, and the tyranical abuse of a population and threatening people's livlihoods is in excusable and undefendable.
'Covid 19' 'MRNA' "Vaccine Trials Documentary". Covid Vaccine Trial Lies Exposed)
 
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Sort of a sad state when undertakers are doing better at honesty then those that took a Hippocratic Oath.



Perhaps next time the pharmaceuticals will pay off the funeral homes as well as Hospital and Medical system administrators.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I can not tell you how rediculous it sounds to look for "clinical" trials during a pandemic when pathology is all you will have available. Unless maybe your conceeding that covid was a lab created bio weapon, and those that created the vaxx knew that and worked on it before it's release. Tell me exactly how you do clinical trials on ivermectin during a pandemic and get results in time for use?

In any case we had zero REAL clinical trials for the vaxx. Only 170 event trials, which were most likely intentionally skewed, to get teh cash grab. And now we're paying for it.

They also KNEW there wereplenty of dangers.
They always knew that the LNPs platform (mRNA technology payload also) was dangerous: "Pro-inflammatory concerns with lipid nanoparticles"; they knew it was dangerous to reproductive system, so why?


However we have plenty of pathology evidence to show where ever Ivermectin was tried, it showed positive and very noticable improvement. You have to have intentional blinders on to refuse to see the evidence. There's evidence from around the world where it was used successfully.

Again see https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/imo/media/doc/Testimony-Kory-2020-12-08.pdf

If you want to ignore all that actual live pandemic pathology evidence citing "clinical trials", you are being obtuse on purpose. I can not beleive you are medically that ignorant.

Exactly how much to you owe Phizer anyway? You sound like a rep. Joking aside, I really would like to understand your very obvious personal stake in this. Mine was nearly dying, and seeing people die around me.


The rediculousness of this, all for a money grab and now millions harmed, and the tyranical abuse of a population and threatening people's livlihoods is in excusable and undefendable.
'Covid 19' 'MRNA' "Vaccine Trials Documentary". Covid Vaccine Trial Lies Exposed)
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It doesn’t work……
you can cry, you can claim conspiracy, you can put on your tinfoil hat ……..but it’s been studied and proven to be no more effective than placebo. It has made no difference whatsoever in any trials and there have been many.
You posting articles that mislead with titles doesn’t change that.
I’m good with you taking a placebo if you want to. I don’t think it’s unsafe or should be restricted if your doctors think it’s right for you. but my very personal stake in it is the truth. I don’t like it when anyone lies. Another inconvenient truth is you almost died from Covid so you’re just as likely to die from the side effects of spike protein as anyone who had the vaccine.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It doesn’t work……
you can cry, you can claim conspiracy, you can put on your tinfoil hat ……..but it’s been studied and proven to be no more effective than placebo. It has made no difference whatsoever in any trials and there have been many.
You posting articles that mislead with titles doesn’t change that.
I’m good with you taking a placebo if you want to. I don’t think it’s unsafe or should be restricted if your doctors think it’s right for you. but my very personal stake in it is the truth. I don’t like it when anyone lies. Another inconvenient truth is you almost died from Covid so you’re just as likely to die from the side effects of spike protein as anyone who had the vaccine.
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What if you are one of the many unfortunate people who took the vaccine and also caught covid?? Is that double the spike protein?
 
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VolinWayne said:
I should have said "double the chance of getting side effects".
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Ok. I get what you’re asking. If we look at the current numbers the vaccine status seems irrelevant to the total. Vaccinated and unvaccinated get side effects at the same rate. If it was a double dose was a problem I’d expect the vaccinated to receive a higher percentage of side effects vs unvaccinated.
 
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JAIL FAUCI: Recently Released Documents Reveal Dr. Fauci and Dr. Collins Received At Least 58 Vaccine Royalty Payments From Big Pharma and Chinese and Russian Entities | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

JAIL FAUCI: Recently Released Documents Reveal Dr. Fauci and Dr. Collins Received At Least 58 Vaccine Royalty Payments From Big Pharma and Chinese and Russian Entities
By Jim Hoft Aug. 13, 2023 7:20 pm
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Dr. Fauci, Director of NIAID, on June 30th, 2020. Dr. Collins, Director of NIH, photo from 2011.
Dr. Tony Fauci:
** Lied about the origins of the COVID19 virus
** Lied about funding the Wuhan lab that created the COVID19 virus
** Lied about gain of function testing at the Wuhan lab
** Lied about the effectiveness of hydroxycholoquine in treating the COVID19 virus – in preference of vaccines
** Lied about the effectiveness of Ivermectin in treating the COVID19 virus – in preference of vaccines
** Lied about the effectiveness of the vaccines in protecting individuals from COVID19
** Lied about the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing the spread of the COVID 19
** Lied about the dangers of the COVID19 vaccines to children
** Lied about the dangers of the COVID19 vaccines to healthy adults.
** Lied about making money off of the vaccines.
For innocent Americans it has been years of Dr. Fauci’s lies on top of lies.



And now that Fauci and his cohort Dr. Collins were cashing in.


Your kid may have myocarditis – but Tony Fauci was making the big bucks!

Via Collin Rugg.
REPORT: Top COVID 'experts' including Dr. Anthony Fauci and former NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins cashed in on $325 million through royalty checks from the COVID-19 pandemic.​
Is it starting to make sense?​
Over 1,500 pages of unredacted records have been released by… pic.twitter.com/eZZF1fXLk4​
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) August 13, 2023​

NTD reported:
The National Institute of Health (NIH) received approximately $325 million in royalty payments over a 12-year span from pharmaceutical companies and research organizations, according to new documents obtained by nonprofit government transparency organization Open The Books.​
Open The Books received records detailing more than 56,000 royalty payments to NIH members Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) between 2009 and 2021.​
The government watchdog organization has been seeking these NIH royalty payment records for nearly two years, as part of a series of FOIA requests. The NIH has fought the document disclosure requests and these documents came through new productions in a Washington D.C. federal court case (pdf).​
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Last year, Open The Books estimated the NIH received as much as $350 million in royalty payments between 2009 and 2020. The organization revised that figure downward as the NIH provided new details about its royalty payments…​
…Among the recipients of royalty payments between 2009 and 2020 were then-NIH Director Francis Collins and then-National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) Director Anthony Fauci. NIAID is an NIH component.​
The records include 37 royalty payments entries to Dr. Fauci from Ancell Corporation, Chiron Corporation, and Santa Cruz Biotechnology Inc.​
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There were 21 entries for Mr. Collins, from GeneDx, Inc., IONIS, ISIS Pharmaceuticals, Inc., the Progeria Research Foundation, and Specialty Laboratories, Inc.​
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It's going to be interesting to see who else across the nation recieved kickbacks and payments.
 
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