Vaccine or not?

[kiddiedoc]

Well, I think they were simply lying about the number of deaths. Period. I think it was far higher than they reported. But at the same time, I don't believe the rumor of "missing cellphones" that was floating around that was leading people to say there were over 20 million dead. I would say likely 1.5 - 2 million, at best that died. I only pull that number out since China is roughly 3 times the size of the US and I think we exaggerated our numbers here for political affect.

You could be right. But it would be an amazing accomplishment, with today's technology, to hide 2 million bodies. I wouldn't put anything past the Chinese, though. Anything that comes from the Chicoms I immediate take as a lie until proven otherwise.

 

[Orangeburst]

You could be right. But it would be an amazing accomplishment, with today's technology, to hide 2 million bodies. I wouldn't put anything past the Chinese, though. Anything that comes from the Chicoms I immediate take as a lie until proven otherwise.

so they under reported and we over reported for political purposes
two peas in a pod

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

so they under reported and we over reported for political purposes
two peas in a pod

I think the lies in both instances served their purposes.

 

[Jxn Vol]

It wasn't a vaccine

Experimental gene therapy with no long term safety data.

 

[VolinWayne]

Data collected in a study on COVID-19 vaccination side effects shows that for every 45 doses administered, there was one self-report of a symptom affecting the cardiorespiratory system, such as heart palpitations, chest tightness or pain, or breathing difficulty.

Adverse Events Following Immunization With mRNA and Viral Vector Vaccines in Individuals With Previous Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Infection From the Canadian National Vaccine Safety Network

One Report of Heart or Lung Issue Per 45 Doses of COVID Vaccine: Study

 

[VolinWayne]

Lying b$$tards

Pfizer Dismisses Concerns Over Vaccine Mandates, Says No Australian Was Forced

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Data collected in a study on COVID-19 vaccination side effects shows that for every 45 doses administered, there was one self-report of a symptom affecting the cardiorespiratory system, such as heart palpitations, chest tightness or pain, or breathing difficulty.

Adverse Events Following Immunization With mRNA and Viral Vector Vaccines in Individuals With Previous Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Infection From the Canadian National Vaccine Safety Network

One Report of Heart or Lung Issue Per 45 Doses of COVID Vaccine: Study

So a <1% chance of dying from C-19 or a >2% chance of getting an adverse reaction from the vax.. and still possibly get C-19 with the vax. So you introduce another risk factor by being vaccinated vs just taking your chances being unvaccinated.

 

[VolinWayne]

A growing number of leprosy cases are being reported after COVID-19 vaccination, including two cases in the United Kingdom that researchers said may have been caused by the vaccines.

The researchers examined records from the Leprosy Clinic at the Hospital for Tropical Diseases in London. They found that of the 52 people who went to the clinic in 2021, at least 49 were vaccinated.

Growing Number of Leprosy Cases Reported After COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccination and leprosy–A UK hospital-based retrospective cohort study

 

[VolinWayne]

Drug makers in 31 foreign countries, including China, Russia, and Belarus, paid hundreds of millions of dollars in royalties to top officials at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), including former NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins, former National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, and former National Cancer Institute (NCI) Director Dr. Douglas Lowy.

And some of yall wonder why we don't all just trust them blindly

NIH, Officials Received $325 Million in Royalties From 3rd Parties Over 11 Years: Watchdog

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

My conspiracy theory mind tells me this was a bio weapon that got out by accidental release. It’s not a surprise, to me anyway, that it has some nasty side effects. And when they built a vaccine for it that the side effects were in the vaccine too.

The way it spread, I don't think there was anything accidental about it.

 

[davethevol]

The way it spread, I don't think there was anything accidental about it.

The Chinese knew right away what they were dealing with and how it spread, and I would guess that if it had been an accident they would have done more to try and contain the spread. They wanted to see how the world would react so they would know how to game plan for biological agents in the future.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The Chinese knew right away what they were dealing with and how it spread, and I would guess that if it had been an accident they would have done more to try and contain the spread. They wanted to see how the world would react so they would know how to game plan for biological agents in the future.

They went into lockdowns in late January 2020.

COVID-19 lockdown in China - Wikipedia

On 23 January 2020, the central government of China imposed a lockdown in Wuhan and other cities in Hubei in an effort to quarantine the center of an outbreak of COVID-19; this action was commonly referred to as the Wuhan lockdown (Chinese: 武汉封城; pinyin: Wǔhàn fēng chéng). The World Health Organization (WHO), although stating that it was beyond its own guidelines, commended the move, calling it "unprecedented in public health history.

They were also hoarding surgical masks around mid-late December 2019 from what I remember.

I guess I say that to say that the Chinese weren't just mulling around and scratching their azzes. They were some busy bees trying to contain this leading up to C-19 spreading internationally.

 

[davethevol]

They went into lockdowns in late January 2020.

COVID-19 lockdown in China - Wikipedia



They were also hoarding surgical masks around mid-late December 2019 from what I remember.

I guess I say that to say that the Chinese weren't just mulling around and scratching their azzes. They were some busy bees trying to contain this leading up to C-19 spreading internationally.

They were letting their citizens travel abroad to spread it.

 

[DC_Vol]

They went into lockdowns in late January 2020.

COVID-19 lockdown in China - Wikipedia



They were also hoarding surgical masks around mid-late December 2019 from what I remember.

I guess I say that to say that the Chinese weren't just mulling around and scratching their azzes. They were some busy bees trying to contain this leading up to C-19 spreading internationally.

No they weren’t. In Q4 2019, several of my coworkers came down with a terrible flu that lasted for weeks after having traveled to our China office. One guy was in bed for over two weeks. Nobody was testing positive for flu. I’m sure it was COVID. The Chinese had to have known by this point what they were dealing with.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

No they weren’t. In Q4 2019, several of my coworkers came down with a terrible flu that lasted for weeks after having traveled to our China office. One guy was in bed for over two weeks. Nobody was testing positive for flu. I’m sure it was COVID. The Chinese had to have known by this point what they were dealing with.

Did I not just say above that lockdowns started in late January 2020 but before that, they were gathering masks/PPE from all over the world at least a month before that? You said Q4 of 2019. How does that go against what I stated earlier?

Look, I'm not defending the Chinese because I think they were undoubtedly involved in bioweapons research (with the help and funding of the US). All I'm saying is that it is not really fair to say they weren't doing anything. Nor do I believe (for now) that it was an intentional release.

 

[DC_Vol]

Did I not just say above that lockdowns started in late January 2020 but before that, they were gathering masks/PPE from all over the world at least a month before that? You said Q4 of 2019. How does that go against what I stated earlier?

Look, I'm not defending the Chinese because I think they were undoubtedly involved in bioweapons research (with the help and funding of the US). All I'm saying is that it is not really fair to say they weren't doing anything. Nor do I believe (for now) that it was an intentional release.

I don’t agree they were trying to contain it early on. I believe they knew what they were dealing with in 2019. I think they were hoping it might not be pinned on them.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

I don’t agree they were trying to contain it early on. I believe they knew what they were dealing with in 2019. I think they were hoping it might not be pinned on them.

Their strategy was honestly reminiscent of the US government’s actions in The Stand (Stephen King). Keep the citizenry quiet and intentionally spread it to other countries after the cat is out of the bag in an attempt to keep people from tying it back to Wuhan lab.

 

[DC_Vol]

Their strategy was honestly reminiscent of the US government’s actions in The Stand (Stephen King). Keep the citizenry quiet and intentionally spread it to other countries after the cat is out of the bag in an attempt to keep people from tying it back to Wuhan lab.

Agree 100%

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I don’t agree they were trying to contain it early on. I believe they knew what they were dealing with in 2019. I think they were hoping it might not be pinned on them.

I don't disagree with anything you are saying. They were definetly trying to cover their tracks. Again, that was why they secretly gathered up the surgical masks before finally going to the point of the lockdowns.

 

[DC_Vol]

I don't disagree with anything you are saying. They were definetly trying to cover their tracks. Again, that was why they secretly gathered up the surgical masks before finally going to the point of the lockdowns.

I see. I misunderstood your point. My apologies.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Their strategy was honestly reminiscent of the US government’s actions in The Stand (Stephen King). Keep the citizenry quiet and intentionally spread it to other countries after the cat is out of the bag in an attempt to keep people from tying it back to Wuhan lab.

I think this is where I stand. Whether the US was complicit or involved is the question.

 

[VolinWayne]

I think this is where I stand. Whether the US was complicit or involved is the question.

I think at a minimum "certain people" from the US were definitely complicit

 

[davethevol]

I think this is where I stand. Whether the US was complicit or involved is the question.

Fauci certainly was involved. He knew what the virus was, where it came from, how it spread….

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Ron Johnson Claims COVID Was 'Pre-Planned by Elite Group, Citing Event 201' in Connection with Johns Hopkins Center, WEF, and Gates Foundation Exercise (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

Ron Johnson Claims COVID Was ‘Pre-Planned by Elite Group, Citing Event 201’ in Connection with Johns Hopkins Center, WEF, and Gates Foundation Exercise (VIDEO)
By Jim Hᴏft Aug. 11, 2023 12:30 pm

Source: Wikimedia Commons
In an appearance on Fox News’s “Mornings with Maria” on Friday, member of Senate Homeland Security and ranking member of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Ron Johnson (R-WI), dropped a truth bomb regarding the origins and handling of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Speaking with host Maria Bartiromo, Johnson suggested that the pandemic was pre-planned by an “elite group of people” and cited Event 201, a pandemic exercise conducted in late 2019, as evidence.
“This is all pre planned by an elite group of people,” said Johnson. “That’s what I’m talking about. Event 201 that occurred in late 2019, prior to the rest of us knowing about this pandemic. Again, this is very concerning in terms of what has happened, what is happening, what continues to be planned for our loss of freedom.”

“It needs to be exposed. But unfortunately, there are very few people, even in Congress that are willing to take a look at this. They all push the vaccine. They don’t want to be made aware of the fact that the vaccines might have caused injuries, might have caused death. So many people just simply don’t want to admit they were wrong, and they’re going to do everything they can to make sure that they’re not proven wrong,” Johnson added.

“We’re up against a very powerful group of people here, Maria,” he added.

WATCH:

Based Ron Johnson!
On Covid: “This was all pre-planned by an elite group of people… Event 201… This is very concerning in terms of… what continues to be planned for our loss of freedom… We’re up against a very powerful group of people.”
TRUTH Bombs from a US Senator pic.twitter.com/qeB9hBzP5x
— TheStormHasArrived (@TheStormRedux) August 11, 2023​

Just a few months before the Covid-19 outbreak, an exercise was held by world elites called Event 201, where they simulated a global pandemic of a coronavirus that transmitted from bats to humans, as The Gateway Pundit reported.
Taking place in October 2019, the event was hosted by Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, Bloomberg School Of Public Health, World Economic Forum, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. The simulation analyzed the health impacts, as well as the economic, lifestyle, and trade fallout from the virus.

From the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security website:
The Event 201 scenario
Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modeled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms.
The disease starts in pig farms in Brazil, quietly and slowly at first, but then it starts to spread more rapidly in healthcare settings. When it starts to spread efficiently from person to person in the low-income, densely packed neighborhoods of some of the megacities in South America, the epidemic explodes. It is first exported by air travel to Portugal, the United States, and China and then to many other countries. Although at first some countries are able to control it, it continues to spread and be reintroduced, and eventually no country can maintain control.

There is no possibility of a vaccine being available in the first year. There is a fictional antiviral drug that can help the sick but not significantly limit spread of the disease.
Since the whole human population is susceptible, during the initial months of the pandemic, the cumulative number of cases increases exponentially, doubling every week. And as the cases and deaths accumulate, the economic and societal consequences become increasingly severe.
The scenario ends at the 18-month point, with 65 million deaths. The pandemic is beginning to slow due to the decreasing number of susceptible people. The pandemic will continue at some rate until there is an effective vaccine or until 80-90 % of the global population has been exposed. From that point on, it is likely to be an endemic childhood disease.
The Center For Health Security YouTube channel posted several videos from the event, which they tab as “Event 201, A Global Pandemic Exercise:”

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

FDA Lawyer Admits Doctors Can Prescribe Ivermectin for COVID-19, Claims FDA Has "Sovereign Immunity" Against Liability for False or Misleading Statements (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

FDA Lawyer Admits Doctors Can Prescribe Ivermectin for COVID-19, Claims FDA Has “Sovereign Immunity” Against Liability for False or Misleading Statements (VIDEO)
By Jim Hᴏft Aug. 11, 2023 3:11 pm

On Tuesday, a lawyer representing U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) clarified the agency’s stance on the use of Ivermectin for treating COVID-19 patients. The lawyer confirmed that doctors have the authority to prescribe the drug, often referred to as the ‘Wonder Drug’ for off-label use in treating COVID-19.
The Gateway Pundit previously reported that a group of doctors had filed a federal lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) over the agencies’ unlawful attempts to block the use of ivermectin in treating COVID-19.
The lawsuit, filed in the U.S. Southern District of Texas in Galveston, argues that the FDA has overstepped its authority and unjustifiably interfered with their medical practice.

The plaintiffs, Drs. Mary Talley Bowden, Paul E. Marik, and Robert L. Apter, are contesting the FDA’s portrayal of ivermectin as dangerous for human consumption. They note that the FDA has approved ivermectin for human use since 1996 for a variety of diseases. However, they allege that with the advent of the COVID-19 pandemic, the FDA began releasing documents and social media posts discouraging the use of the anti-viral drug for COVID-19 treatment.


“We’re suing the FDA for lying to the public about ivermectin,” said Dr. Bowden.
Claims were made that the initial article misrepresented the law by stating the FDA’s official stance against Ivermectin use without mentioning that doctors were allowed to administer the medicine.
U.S. law is cited in the complaint, including the provision that the FDA “may not interfere with the authority of a health care provider to prescribe or administer any legally marked device to a patient for any condition or disease within a legitimate health care practitioner-patient relationship.”

The Gateway Pundit reported that during a hearing last year, the agency’s lawyers argued that the FDA was only giving advice and it was not mandatory when it told people to “stop” taking Ivermectin for COVID-19.
“The cited statements were not directives,” said Isaac Belfer, one of the lawyers. “They were not mandatory. They were recommendations. They said what parties should do. They said, for example, why you should not take ivermectin to treat COVID-19. They did not say you may not do it, you must not do it. They did not say it’s prohibited or it’s unlawful. They also did not say that doctors may not prescribe ivermectin.”
“They use informal language, that is true… It’s conversational but not mandatory,” he continued.

However, the statement from the lawyer contradicted to FDA’s social media post, stating, “Hold your horses, y’all. Ivermectin may be trending, but it still isn’t authorized or approved to treat COVID-19″ and another tweet that says, “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”

You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it. Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19
— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) August 21, 2021​

Hold your horses, y’all. Ivermectin may be trending, but it still isn’t authorized or approved to treat COVID-19. Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19
— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) April 26, 2022​

On Tuesday, Doctors Mary Talley Bowden, Paul Marik, & Robert Apter appeared in the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals as part of their lawsuit.
“The FDA is not your doctor. Yesterday we took them to court to remind them of that,” Dr. Bowden wrote Wednesday.
“A pharmacist cites CDC and US FDA as why she will continue to deny filling prescriptions for ivermectin. On Tuesday, the FDA’s attorney declared the FDA has no problem with doctors prescribing ivermectin off-label. It’s time for them to make a formal announcement and set the record straight,” Bowden wrote on Thursday.

During the oral argument, Ashley Cheung Honold, a Department of Justice lawyer representing the FDA stated that the agency “explicitly recognizes” that doctors do have the authority to administer ivermectin to treat COVID.
“”FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID,” said Honold.

“FDA made these statements in response to multiple reports of consumers being hospitalized, after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses, which is available for purchase over the counter without the need for prescription,” Honold said.
More from Epoch Times:

“What about when it said, ‘No, stop it’?” Circuit Judge Jennifer Walker Elrod, on the panel that is hearing the appeal, asked. “Why isn’t that a command? If you were in English class, they would say that was a command.”
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Ms. Honold described the statements as “merely quips.”

“Can you answer the question, please? Is that a command, ‘Stop it’?” Judge Elrod asked.
“In some contexts, those words could be construed as a command,” Ms. Honold said. “But in this context, where FDA was simply using these words in the context of a quippy tweet meant to share its informational article, those statements do not rise to the level of a command.”
The statements “don’t prohibit doctors from prescribing ivermectin to treat COVID or for any other purpose” Ms. Honold said. She noted that the FDA, along with the statements, said that people should consult their health care providers about COVID-19 treatments and that they could take medicine if it was prescribed by the provider.

“FDA is clearly acknowledging that doctors have the authority to prescribe human ivermectin to treat COVID. So they are not interfering with the authority of doctors to prescribe drugs or to practice medicine,” she said.​

1) FDA Attorney Ashley Cheung Honold Now Says Doctors Did Have the Right to Prescribe Ivermectin Off-Label for COVID-19
“Here FDA was not regulating the off-label use of drugs…The FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe Ivermectin to treat… pic.twitter.com/o7EFT05vDC
— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) August 8, 2023​

Honold claimed that the FDA had “sovereign immunity” and is therefore immune from liability for false or misleading statements.

2) FDA Attorney Ashley Cheung Honold Says the FDA Has ‘Sovereign Immunity’ and Cannot Be Held Responsible for Misleading Statements
“If the FDA is merely making information statements, they do have sovereign immunity” pic.twitter.com/K9TIFzkJdA
— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) August 8, 2023​

Honold claimed that the FDA possesses the authority to give medical advice.

3) FDA Attorney Ashley Cheung Honold Says the FDA Does Have the Power to Issue Medical Advice
JUDGE: “Does it matter whether they are scientific views or not…or whether they are just views?”
HONOLD: “There’s nothing in the multiple sources of authority that I cited that… pic.twitter.com/WSUDDPyUUp
— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) August 8, 2023​

Honold asserted that even if the FDA’s statements on Ivermectin were misleading, the agency isn’t accountable for doctors losing their positions.

4) FDA Attorney Ashley Cheung Honold Says Even if FDA Statements on Ivermectin Were Partially Misleading, the Agency Is Not Responsible for Doctors Losing Their Jobs
“Even if this court concluded that the parts of the statement that said ‘Stop It’ were unlawful, the remaining… pic.twitter.com/kG1D4kYtXe
— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) August 8, 2023​

In an admission, Honold asserted that the FDA ‘held accountable by the political process’, emphasizing that agency leaders are accountable through the political process, and it’s not the judiciary’s job to verify the FDA’s scientific claims.”
“The public can elect its government officials and FDA…have politically accountable heads of the agency who are held accountable by the political process. It’s not the role of the courts to fact-check the FDA’s scientific statements.”

5) In the Most Disturbing Admission, FDA Attorney Ashley Cheung Honold Says the FDA is ‘Held Accountable by the Political Process’
“The public can elect its government officials and FDA…have politically accountable heads of the agency who are held accountable by the political… pic.twitter.com/RP4YY0ZUHy
— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) August 8, 2023​

There have now been 99 Ivermectin COVID-19 controlled studies that show a 62% improvement in COVID patients.