Vaccine or not?

[Orangeslice13]

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", I have seen nothing to believe that ivermectin is any more effective than wearing a crocheted mask"




My honest opinion is people trying to say there is no evidence for ivermectin have to be willfully denying evidence, or just not actually spent any time reading... If your only info is the MSM, and CDC I can understand the confusion though.

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Paul E. Marik MD, FCCM, FCCP - FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance

Again....compilation of 99 studies.

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Again 99 studies that say it is either inconclusive or doesn’t work pooled to get the results you want.
I’m sure the infectious diseases Drs are all in on this too.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Again 99 studies that say it is either inconclusive or doesn’t work pooled to get the results you want.
I’m sure the infectious diseases Drs are all in on this too.

I do not see how you look at the pooled data and come to that conclusion, many other doctors come to a very different conclusion, and I think your common person certainly will not come to that conclusion upon looking at them. It seems to me sometimes like you have a personal stake in this, and I do not get it. I can tell you in practice the doctor I have has had great success with it. And it had MORE positive studies then drugs like Paxlovid which never get called out ,why? PROFIT! there's no money in Ivermectin and that's why it gets slandered.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Random pull from the 99


Findings In this double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled platform trial including 1206 US adults with COVID-19 during February 2022 to July 2022, the median time to sustained recovery was 11 days in the ivermectin group and 11 days in the placebo group. In this largely vaccinated (84%) population, the posterior probability that ivermectin reduced symptom duration by more than 1 day was less than 0.1%.

Meaning These findings do not support the use of ivermectin among outpatients with COVID-19.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I do not see how you look at the pooled data a…..

I didn’t. The peer reviewed conclusion says it’s bunk

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Take your placebo if you want.
Nobody is stopping you

now you want to bring Hydroxychloroquine in?
The drug that works in a test tub Vs Covid19 but not in the human body and they can explain exactly why that is.

You see what you want to see, and you want to see a legal basis for the emergency use of experiemental MRNA technology apparently. Plenty of Doctors did see the efficacy in these drugs, and their track record with treating patients was much better. I'll trust them.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You see what you want to see, and you want to see a legal basis for the emergency use of experiemental MRNA technology apparently.

It’s a conspiracy……errDamnBody is out to get you……so ya gotta dream up motives as to why people don’t believe you conspiracy driven BS.
Give me a ****ing break.

You say this because you’re desperate to believe it’s all caused by a vaccine while the unvaccinated have the exact same problems

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

 

[Orangeslice13]

 

[VolinWayne]

I didn’t. The peer reviewed conclusion says it’s bunk

There are studies out there that support both sides of this article. Ivermectin is known to be one of the cheapest and safest drugs available. Just look at Africa, one of the least vaccinated countries in the world with also one of the lowest covid death rates in the world as well. (See screen shots below). Also check out this study that explains why Africa might have the low number of covid deaths that they have.

COVID-19: The Ivermectin African Enigma - PubMed

 

[Orangeslice13]

I’m sure next we will find out it causes a higher mortgage interest rate and serious need to eat Indian food

 

[VolinWayne]

I didn’t. The peer reviewed conclusion says it’s bunk

Common sense at this point says the covid 19 vaccine is what's bunk. For somebody that seems be knowledgeable about things in general I do not understand your continued defense of this thing some people call a vaccine.

 

[Orangeslice13]

There are studies out there that support both sides of this article. Ivermectin is known to be one of the cheapest and safest drugs available. Just look at Africa, one of the least vaccinated countries in the world with also on of the lowest covid death rates in the world as well. (See screen shots below). Also check out this study that explains why Africa might have the low number of covid deaths that they have.

COVID-19: The Ivermectin African Enigma - PubMed

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I got really good at this going through the cancer treatment with my wife. Everyone had their secret cure the medical community doesn’t want you to know. And there were things that the Drs would not bring up, like juicing, I believe because it was at the nutritional level and out of their control. Those secret cures were never verifiable in a study. It was always compiled data and meta analysis. Those things always have unknown values that can skew the results one way or another. If something works then it works all the time. If you can’t reproduce the results again and again in a controlled environment then it doesn’t work.
ivermectin is safe and you should be allowed to take it but it’s a placebo Vs Covid. That could change with more studies but it’s unlikely. Just too many studies have been conducted. Some by people trying to prove it works.
Remember Fox News hyping the Oxford study early on?
Guess what happened in that study that Fox never reported?
I wonder why they quit following it?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Common sense at this point says the covid 19 vaccine is what's bunk. For somebody that seems be knowledgeable about things in general I do not understand your continued defense of this thing some people call a vaccine.

Common sense?
Defense of….?

Ummmmm in my world all the facts matter and you can’t blame a vaccine for problems that occur outside that vaccine at the same rate.

 

[jwilliams]

There aren't any large scale studies on ivermectin to my knowledge, so picking one study here or there is pointless. The people who believe there may be efficacy have done meta analysis of all the small trials.

We're also mostly talking about treatment. What were the parameters of these studies? How long did the patients have covid? Who conducted the studies and did the analysis? Is there any evidence of efficacy as a profalactic?

Lastly, we had no treatment whatsoever for a long time. The government made sure of that. Even a placebo treatment may have been able to combat some of the mass psychosis that world leaders caused. Note, I'm NOT saying that people weren't actually sick... just that the hysteria may have exacerbated the problem.

 

[Orangeslice13]

@VolinWayne
You mentioned the “African enigma.” Have you seen where researchers have noticed that the “enigma” is actually genetic and not localized. I have not seen the results yet but it strongly suggests or appears that people with strong African descent are far less likely to have Covid, severe Covid, or side effects from Covid (vaccine or not).
I find that very interesting.

 

[Orangeslice13]

There aren't any large scale studies on ivermectin to my knowledge, so picking one study here or there is pointless. The people who believe there may be efficacy have done meta analysis of all the small trials.

We're also mostly talking about treatment. What were the parameters of these studies? How long did the patients have covid? Who conducted the studies and did the analysis? Is there any evidence of efficacy as a profalactic?

Lastly, we had no treatment whatsoever for a long time. The government made sure of that. Even a placebo treatment may have been able to combat some of the mass psychosis that world leaders caused. Note, I'm NOT saying that people weren't actually sick... just that the hysteria may have exacerbated the problem.

The hysteria was definitely hyped and absolutely exacerbated the problem.

 

[jwilliams]

@VolinWayne
You mentioned the “African enigma.” Have you seen where researchers have noticed that the “enigma” is actually genetic and not localized. I have not seen the results yet but it strongly suggests or appears that people with strong African descent are far less likely to have Covid, severe Covid, or side effects from Covid (vaccine or not).
I find that very interesting.

I believe there were similar observations in parts of India where they use ivermectin regularly. When I'm at a computer, I'll try to look it up.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I believe there were similar observations in parts of India where they use ivermectin regularly. When I'm at a computer, I'll try to look it up.

I find the genetic component to this thing to be very interesting.
I’ve admitted that I believe this to be a biological weapon that was released. I believe that it was a Chinese attack on their own people to downsize population. They allowed it to spread for whatever reason. I have no proof for anything so that’s just hypothesis and not fact. The genetic component of that is very important and interesting. If it is a weapon and they (whoever the boogeyman is) can figure out how to minimize damage to themselves then it is a major problem.
For people interested in eschatology there are some interesting implications here.

 

[Jxn Vol]

At this point calling the shot a vaccine is equivalent to calling a horse a car.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Common sense?
Defense of….?

Ummmmm in my world all the facts matter and you can’t blame a vaccine for problems that occur outside that vaccine at the same rate.

If there are problems with both and the virus is getting weaker and obsolete, then one can assume that if we continue to administer the shot, then the shot adverse effects will continue to rise and the virus adverse effects will decrease.

 

[VolinWayne]

@VolinWayne
You mentioned the “African enigma.” Have you seen where researchers have noticed that the “enigma” is actually genetic and not localized. I have not seen the results yet but it strongly suggests or appears that people with strong African descent are far less likely to have Covid, severe Covid, or side effects from Covid (vaccine or not).
I find that very interesting.

Yes I did see that but we can't just ignore the fact that Ivermectin was used as a mass treatment for river blindness in many of these countries. Maybe it is more then a placebo. And if you think about it it really does make sense for people who have stakes in the pharmaceutical industry to not want a cheap drug to work.

Ivermectin slows spread of river blindness in Nigeria; could interrupt West Nile transmission in US

I also have the opinions I have because of personal experiences I have had with local doctors who have used it and prescribed it since the beginning of the pandemic and have had great success with it. According their personal experiences in their practices Ivermectin is much more then a placebo when administered early.
On a very personal note, my cousins wife (she had cancer) and she was taking ivermectin to help protect her from getting covid. Maybe it was just a coincidence but their entire family got covid and she did not.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

ivermectin is safe and you should be allowed to take it but it’s a placebo Vs Covid.

That's like your "opinion" man. And increasinly becoming a smaller opinion. It's certainly big Pharma's opinion for financial reasons, but the fact is places around the world using ivermectin had better success that areas that didn't. Is it the single factor? Maybe not. But places that did teh MRNA vaccines did worse, and many people are suffering now from adverse effects.

 

[Orangeslice13]

If there are problems with both and the virus is getting weaker and obsolete, then one can assume that if we continue to administer the shot, then the shot adverse effects will continue to rise and the virus adverse effects will decrease.

That’s actually not how the spike protein side effect is working.
The symptoms will weaken over time but the spike protein problem remains.
Almost like it’s a weapon

 

[Orangeslice13]

Yes I did see that but we can't just ignore the fact that Ivermectin was used as a mass treatment for river blindness in many of these countries. Maybe it is more then a placebo. And if you think about it it really does make sense for people who have stakes in the pharmaceutical industry to not want a cheap drug to work.

Ivermectin slows spread of river blindness in Nigeria; could interrupt West Nile transmission in US

I also have the opinions I have because of personal experiences I have had with local doctors who have used it and prescribed it since the beginning of the pandemic and have had great success with it. According their personal experiences in their practices Ivermectin is much more then a placebo when administered early.
On a very personal note, my cousins wife (she had cancer) and she was taking ivermectin to help protect her from getting covid. Maybe it was just a coincidence but their entire family got covid and she did not.

Ivermectin is great Vs a lot of things and can be proven effective in them. Ivermectin isn’t one of them

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I got really good at this going through the cancer treatment with my wife. Everyone had their secret cure the medical community doesn’t want you to know. And there were things that the Drs would not bring up, like juicing, I believe because it was at the nutritional level and out of their control. Those secret cures were never verifiable in a study. It was always compiled data and meta analysis. Those things always have unknown values that can skew the results one way or another. If something works then it works all the time. If you can’t reproduce the results again and again in a controlled environment then it doesn’t work.
ivermectin is safe and you should be allowed to take it but it’s a placebo Vs Covid. That could change with more studies but it’s unlikely. Just too many studies have been conducted. Some by people trying to prove it works.
Remember Fox News hyping the Oxford study early on?
Guess what happened in that study that Fox never reported?
I wonder why they quit following it?

Just because studies might not show it works for everyone doesn’t mean it doesn’t. It’s helped a lot of people. You just haven’t heard about it.