Vaccine or not?

[EasternVol]

That country needs a Boston Tea Party moment. They are lost.

I suppose that's up to them. We're not really in position to judge.

 

[kiddiedoc]

And if you go to her site….fight through the links and find the study she’s representing……and read the conclusions


Findings In this double-blinded, randomized, placebo-controlled platform trial conducted in the US during a period of Delta and Omicron variant predominance, and that included 1591 adult outpatients with COVID-19, the posterior probability of improvement in time to recovery in those treated with ivermectin vs placebo had a hazard ratio of 1.07, with a posterior probability of benefit of .91. This did not meet the prespecified threshold of posterior probability greater than .95.

Meaning These findings do not support the use of ivermectin in outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19.

There are studies on both sides of the aisle.

I took it with round two, and I was 90% better in 24 hours. As were several of my colleagues.

Take from that what you will.

I also take vitamin C, D, Zinc, and Magnesium. You won't find much in the literature there, either.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

I also take vitamin C, D, Zinc, and Magnesium. You won't find much in the literature there, either.

and why would you? things that work, and can't be cornered by a pharmaceutical get no funding. Generally speaking in a crisis/pandemic your thoughts as a doctor should be saving the patients life not fing over patients as placebo place holders.

"Where's the triple blind, randomized, placebo, platinum plated, jewel encrusted, UN Intrusted, seal of approval I ask you????!!!! you can't show that 75% of people who improved after taking it wouldn't have otherwise!!!!!"



We're surrounded by things that are incredibly powerful proven tools for health, but as there's no money in them to be had or cornered they're never going to get the funding, and likely will GET money lobied AGAINST them to protect Pharmaceutical interests. Or have teh FDA sicced on them like attacks dogs for daring to interfere withs omeone elses profits. I think the biggest mistake we made after ww2 was having trials for the Military Nazi's but not IG Farben, they should have been rounded up and executed with the SS and thus stopped all it's US demon offspring from coming into being. Pharma has destroyed U.S. healthcare. Hydrogen peroxide, chlorine deoxide, tumeric, mullen...all sorts of chemicals and herbal remedies that will do far more good then the poisoned triple trademarked crap they want to shove in you for fun and profit, but most doctors are ignorant of their uses, and how to apply them. A certain doctor I know and love as a person, made fun of fish oil for years....as being useless, until the AMA finally supported it and now has all his patients take it, and pretends they never mocked it. So many doctors..and I mean over all good doctors, simply are only educated to the extent of Pharm reps, and stuff their admin shoves in front of them. I miss the old country doctors who were more invested in results. If you can find one hold onto them dearly.

 

[Orangeslice13]

There are studies on both sides of the aisle.

I took it with round two, and I was 90% better in 24 hours. As were several of my colleagues.

Take from that what you will.

I also take vitamin C, D, Zinc, and Magnesium. You won't find much in the literature there, either.

But there is literature on C, D, and Zinc.
Ivermectin…not so much.
My argument here isn’t if you should be allowed to take it. You should. It’s what can be proven.

I had Covid in the 3rd wave. And was better in 24 hours….didn’t take anything different than normal.

when you deal with cancer….specially liver cancer, errbody has the miracle cure that the “scientific community doesn’t want you to know “ and I discovered that with a little research you can find almost everything you can imagine has been studied.
The most interesting of the results is what “green juicing” will do for the immune system. now I don’t believe that will save everyone but I honestly believe the Red Women isn’t here without it.

 

[newyorkvol]

But there is literature on C, D, and Zinc.
Ivermectin…not so much.
My argument here isn’t if you should be allowed to take it. You should. It’s what can be proven.

I had Covid in the 3rd wave. And was better in 24 hours….didn’t take anything different than normal.

when you deal with cancer….specially liver cancer, errbody has the miracle cure that the “scientific community doesn’t want you to know “ and I discovered that with a little research you can find almost everything you can imagine has been studied.
The most interesting of the results is what “green juicing” will do for the immune system. now I don’t believe that will save everyone but I honestly believe the Red Women isn’t here without it.

There’s also a huge difference between what is scientifically proven helpful, and that which doesn’t hurt you.

 

[Orangeslice13]

There’s also a huge difference between what is scientifically proven helpful, and that which doesn’t hurt you.

Agreed.
Ivermectin has been scientifically proven to be reasonably safe. If you (generic you not you specifically) want to take it the you should not be restricted from it.

 

[hog88]

Agreed.
Ivermectin has been scientifically proven to be reasonably safe. If you (generic you not you specifically) want to take it the you should not be restricted from it.

My parents both in their mid 70s caught covid in spring '21 from my SIL, they both started using Ivermectin as soon as they started feeling symptoms. Both were symptom free 2-3 days after they started the cow paste (and yes they used the same drug they use on the cows). SIL was sick for a couple of weeks.

Yes, that is completely anecdotal and far from scientific evidence that it works but convincing enough for me.

 

[davethevol]

My kid had to get a physical for sports, and on the medical forms this year (which use guideline questions based on suggestions by all the major medical groups) only a few things stood out to me. They ask if the child has ever had Covid-19. They also ask if they’ve have ever had the Covid shot, and if so how many boosters. This is all near a section related to heart health. Clearly something is going on nationwide for this to be on the medical forms to play sports.

 

[Orangeslice13]

My parents both in their mid 70s caught covid in spring '21 from my SIL, they both started using Ivermectin as soon as they started feeling symptoms. Both were symptom free 2-3 days after they started the cow paste (and yes they used the same drug they use on the cows). SIL was sick for a couple of weeks.

Yes, that is completely anecdotal and far from scientific evidence that it works but convincing enough for me.

Again
That’s also with in the natural action of the disease.
But
The same part of me that wants proof that it works for me to use it, says there proof that it’s safe and you should be able to take it if you think it will work for you.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It should absolutely come from a Dr. If your Dr won’t prescribe it then get a new Dr. Don’t go to the tractor supply.

There are contraindications that will kill you so it helps to have the person who charts your medication tell you you’re not taking one of they.

 

[Orangeslice13]

My kid had to get a physical for sports, and on the medical forms this year (which use guideline questions based on suggestions by all the major medical groups) only a few things stood out to me. They ask if the child has ever had Covid-19. They also ask if they’ve have ever had the Covid shot, and if so how many boosters. This is all near a section related to heart health. Clearly something is going on nationwide for this to be on the medical forms to play sports.

It’s pretty serious actually and basically damn near everyone is at risk. There’s a study up for review that has isolated the genetic makeup of the people suffering side effects

 

[hog88]

It should absolutely come from a Dr. If your Dr won’t prescribe it then get a new Dr. Don’t go to the tractor supply.

There are contraindications that will kill you so it helps to have the person who charts your medication tell you you’re not taking one of they.

Dr, smockter if it's safe enough for the livestock it's safe enough for this gelding.....

 

[Orangeslice13]

Dr, smockter if it's safe enough for the livestock it's safe enough for this gelding.....

 

[Jxn Vol]

I suppose that's up to them. We're not really in position to judge.

I agree. They are a couple of laps ahead of us

 

[EasternVol]

I agree. They are a couple of laps ahead of us

It's a great place in many ways.

 

[kiddiedoc]

My kid had to get a physical for sports, and on the medical forms this year (which use guideline questions based on suggestions by all the major medical groups) only a few things stood out to me. They ask if the child has ever had Covid-19. They also ask if they’ve have ever had the Covid shot, and if so how many boosters. This is all near a section related to heart health. Clearly something is going on nationwide for this to be on the medical forms to play sports.

There are also questions for "Gender assigned at birth" and "Gender identified as." Thanks, Nashville.

 

[davethevol]

There are also questions for "Gender assigned at birth" and "Gender identified as." Thanks, Nashville.

And “do you use condoms?”

 

[Orangeslice13]

There are also questions for "Gender assigned at birth" and "Gender identified as." Thanks, Nashville.

We’ve lost our minds


Are you XX or XY?

 

[newyorkvol]

It should absolutely come from a Dr. If your Dr won’t prescribe it then get a new Dr. Don’t go to the tractor supply.

There are contraindications that will kill you so it helps to have the person who charts your medication tell you you’re not taking one of they.

It’s actually not even a prescription drug in a lot of the world. It was black listed by pharma. Same with HCQ.

I have no idea if they actually “work” for COVID. But they were both given out like candy without much regard for complications (except hcq with arrhythmias) prior to 2020. Then all of a sudden they could both kill your as quickly as drinking bleach.

 

[newyorkvol]

I actually enjoy looking at PubMed for studies prior to COVID. Like this one….
Inhibition of TMEM16A Ca2+-activated Cl- channels by avermectins is essential for their anticancer effects - PubMed

And this…
Ivermectin Inhibits Bovine Herpesvirus 1 DNA Polymerase Nuclear Import and Interferes with Viral Replication - PubMed

Again, I have seen nothing to believe that ivermectin is any more effective than wearing a crocheted mask, crossing your fingers, closing your eyes an wishing the spike protein away, but the negative information about it was/is astounding.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It’s actually not even a prescription drug in a lot of the world. It was black listed by pharma. Same with HCQ.

I have no idea if they actually “work” for COVID. But they were both given out like candy without much regard for complications (except hcq with arrhythmias) prior to 2020. Then all of a sudden they could both kill your as quickly as drinking bleach.

I think the big contraindication is with a cardiac drug but I’m not positive. I’d have to look it up. There are a lot of OTCs you should not take without at least talking to your pharmacist. Like potassium for example.

That doesn’t make them unsafe.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

", I have seen nothing to believe that ivermectin is any more effective than wearing a crocheted mask"

Again, I have seen nothing to believe that ivermectin is any more effective than wearing a crocheted mask, crossing your fingers, closing your eyes an wishing the spike protein away, but the negative information about it was/is astounding.

My honest opinion is people trying to say there is no evidence for ivermectin have to be willfully denying evidence, or just not actually spent any time reading... If your only info is the MSM, and CDC I can understand the confusion though.

ttps://www.theepochtimes.com/health/most-intensive-ivermectin-use-had-74-percent-reduction-in-excess-deaths-in-peru-new-study-5470885



Paul E. Marik MD, FCCM, FCCP - FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance

Again....compilation of 99 studies.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

https://c19science.info/FDA_Drug_Approvals2.htm?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

"There's No evidence......"

 

[Orangeslice13]

Take your placebo if you want.
Nobody is stopping you

now you want to bring Hydroxychloroquine in?
The drug that works in a test tub Vs Covid19 but not in the human body and they can explain exactly why that is.