Vaccine or not?

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VolinWayne said:
I guess there is probably a good reason that God commanded the children of Israel to abstain from pork. I remember when I was a child my mother refused to eat pork of any kind.
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I’m a Torah keeping believer in messiah.
The first misunderstanding Christians have (IMO) is the definition of sin. Sin isn’t evil. It’s just missing the mark. Or acting in a way that wasn’t intended. It doesn’t mean you’re going to hell. (There is no hell) it just means you messed up. Remember we had sacrifices for sins we didn’t know we committed.

I say that to say this.

The dietary restrictions of Torah were to be a blessing not a curse. Basically the G-d that created your body said “this is your food, if you want to live a long healthy life these are the things you should eat.
Not eating the things Torah told me not to does not give me some sort of righteousness. It just means I’m less likely to suffer illness related to food.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I guess there is probably a good reason that God commanded the children of Israel to abstain from pork. I remember when I was a child my mother refused to eat pork of any kind.
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My brother raises a heritage Berkshire x Hampshire breed that is supposedly really nice. Expensive, and the Japanese love it.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
lololol
Ok.
You literally are what you just accused me of.

That’s typical of you though.
You regularly say dumb **** in spite of evidence..



you’ve got the wrong bad guy.
-The pharmaceutical companies didn’t make the problem.
They profiteered from it. Bad, but not the cause.
-you constantly blame a vaccine for something that happened independently of that vaccine. We could have the vaccine conversation but your straw man bull **** means you Likely don’t understand what’s being said
Had the vaccine never happened we would have the exact same side effects today because it’s caused by a weapon.
Your constant misinformation covers for those who did this to us.
-you straw man, anyone who disagrees with you. See above for several examples.


but you do you, blindly walking around complaining about a small part of the original problem while outright ignoring and attempting to discredit the existence of that problem.
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So in your opinion, who do we need to hold responsible for these "weapons"? For what it's worth, I don't totally disagree with you here. I also think that both are problems that need to be discussed openly as real issues.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m a Torah keeping believer in messiah.
The first misunderstanding Christians have (IMO) is the definition of sin. Sin isn’t evil. It’s just missing the mark. Or acting in a way that wasn’t intended. It doesn’t mean you’re going to hell. (There is no hell) it just means you messed up. Remember we had sacrifices for sins we didn’t know we committed.

I say that to say this.

The dietary restrictions of Torah were to be a blessing not a curse. Basically the G-d that created your body said “this is your food, if you want to live a long healthy life these are the things you should eat.
Not eating the things Torah told me not to does not give me some sort of righteousness. It just means I’m less likely to suffer illness related to food.
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I totally agree with the last paragraph. Also I might add that I don't think a lot of people realize the health benefits one can gain from fasting. While I have never been one to do long fasts, my wife does on occasion and has done quite a bit of research on all of the health benefits from doing fasts.
 
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VolinWayne said:
So in your opinion, who do we need to hold responsible for these "weapons"? For what it's worth, I don't totally disagree with you here. I also think that both are problems that need to be discussed openly as real issues.
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Who created it?
Who turned it loose.
That’s who is responsible.
 
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VolinWayne said:
If you had to name someone right now who would you blame?? NIH and Fauci or do you blame China?
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That’s the bugaboo isn’t it. Nobody is investigating that. And nobody is asking them to. With limited information you have to believe that China was all in on this. I have openly speculated that it was an attack on their own people to downsize population. We will never know how many died there but from what we do know it was a lot. It really looks like Fauci was involved in gain of function research at the lab in question. I’d like to see that investigated so it’s not just speculation. Recently there was an investigation into the virus itself as to its origin. Man made Vs natural. That has all disappeared. What happened? I have to assume it became classified but if you search it nothing comes up. Why cover that up? Unless higher levels of our government were somehow involved.


again ….the only people making noise are asking about a vaccine. A vaccine that may or may not have the same side effects as the virus. But all that noise in the wrong direction at the wrong people gives cover to the actual cause.
 
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Here’s another question.
There are several other large trials with MNRA vaccines. Ranging from influenza to cancers. These trials go back quite a while. One was for the swine flu.
Interesting that mitochondria and clotting issues has not occurred in any of those trials. None. So is it the MNRA vaccine that’s the problem or the bio weapon that’s causing this?


but I digress
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m a Torah keeping believer in messiah.
The first misunderstanding Christians have (IMO) is the definition of sin. Sin isn’t evil. It’s just missing the mark. Or acting in a way that wasn’t intended. It doesn’t mean you’re going to hell. (There is no hell) it just means you messed up. Remember we had sacrifices for sins we didn’t know we committed.

I say that to say this.

The dietary restrictions of Torah were to be a blessing not a curse. Basically the G-d that created your body said “this is your food, if you want to live a long healthy life these are the things you should eat.
Not eating the things Torah told me not to does not give me some sort of righteousness. It just means I’m less likely to suffer illness related to food.
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I wish/hope you were/are right. What about the 100 that were swallowed up into Sheol when they immediately rejected God and chose the golden calf to worship during the 30 years in the wilderness? Are they in heaven?

I don't want ANYONE to go to hell....at all. Eternity is eternity.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I wish/hope you were/are right. What about the 100 that were swallowed up into Sheol when they immediately rejected God and chose the golden calf to worship during the 30 years in the wilderness? Are they in heaven?

I don't want ANYONE to go to hell....at all. Eternity is eternity.
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We can do this if you want. I really enjoy the conversation. We can’t do it here as there is a doofus about that makes a rational discussion impossible.
I’ll tag you later elsewhere if you want my opinion on the topic.

Nice opening comment btw
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
We can do this if you want. I really enjoy the conversation. We can’t do it here as there is a doofus about that makes a rational discussion impossible.
I’ll tag you later elsewhere if you want my opinion on the topic.

Nice opening comment btw
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Sure, we had a Jewish member in our bible study class a few years back. Was always interesting to get his opinion. We obviously mainly studied on the old testament when he was there.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Here’s another question.
There are several other large trials with MNRA vaccines. Ranging from influenza to cancers. These trials go back quite a while. One was for the swine flu.
Interesting that mitochondria and clotting issues has not occurred in any of those trials. None. So is it the MNRA vaccine that’s the problem or the bio weapon that’s causing this?


but I digress
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Careful there. People are going to start slinging the word conspiracy theorist at you if you keep bringing up the bio weapon. You bring up some great points by the way.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Careful there. People are going to start slinging the word conspiracy theorist at you if you keep bringing up the bio weapon. You bring up some great points by the way.
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There’s a reason I don’t talk about it much. Huge difference in what I think and what I can prove.
 
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