Vaccine or not?

[VolinWayne]

There’s a reason I don’t talk about it much. Huge difference in what I think and what I can prove.

Fair enough. You are entitled to your own opinions but you should be allowed to voice them without having to worry about what others might label you. It's sad that we have gotten to a point where anybody who thinks "outside the box" or "outside the accepted line of thinking" is cheaply labeled a conspiracy theorists.
In my world there are conspiracy theorists (real conspiracy theorists), there are free thinkers (people who have learned to question everything and form their own opinions on information and facts that they have personally seen) and then there are the sheeple who simply fall in line and believe whatever the media or government tells them.

 

[clarksvol00]

We had some iberico ribeyes a couple of weeks ago from Willy's in Bearden. Fantastico.

I've been a huge fan of the acorn-fed Spanish black-footed pig since my first trip to Curate, Asheville years ago.

I've never actually had it, but plan on trying it while on vacation next month. I head up to northern Kentucky for distillery tours regularly and they have great country ham charcuterie boards all over the place up there.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Fair enough. You are entitled to your own opinions but you should be allowed to voice them without having to worry about what others might label you. It's sad that we have gotten to a point where anybody who thinks "outside the box" or "outside the accepted line of thinking" is cheaply labeled a conspiracy theorists.
In my world there are conspiracy theorists (real conspiracy theorists), there are free thinkers (people who have learned to question everything and form their own opinions on information and facts that they have personally seen) and then there are the sheeple who simply fall in line and believe whatever the media or government tells them.

It’s more a standard that I hold myself to.
I really only voice my opinion on things I’m sure about.

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

Hush. If the anti bacon people are successful, less demand for bacon means lower cost bacon for people like us.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

My favorite of your dumb **** is you false “holier than thou “
….I pray this doesn’t come back to hurt you…..

There's nothing false about that. I truly beleive the Vaccine is killing people, and more are likely back on the way. And yes I truly do hope it doesn't hurt you or the other people around me who i think are basically good people. You twist that as you like. I do not consider myself holy in anyway, rather I am trying to warn you what by now should be obvious to anyone who paying attention,a nd willing to put wisdom before pride.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

He might have a foot amputated from diabetes but oh well

If I do it won't be from bacon it will be from carbs....see that is how diabetus works. However to be honest at this point I think that diabetus being the end of me is wishful thinking... now with bio weapons against civilians being all the rage, and tolitarianism making a come back, and the same meek idiots who let it happen last time tend to be the norm again. We've gone from looking at holocaust camps and asking "how could they ever let that happen?" To for the "greater good" fear mongering and your vaccine "papers please". Some people do not learn from history, and will ignore the truth laid out in front of their very eyes. The elite don't even hide their aims, they have made it clear they see vaccines, and GMO's as population controls, and have openly published it. You're being poisoned, and your getting pharmeceutical engineered experimental medicine designed to kill off a percentage of humanity..and you worry about the bacon...... whatever, here's hoping it's all us tinfoil hats crazy conspiracy theory and the 2 foot fiberous clots the embalmers are pulling out of your veins are just figments of our imagination.

Yes I truly do hope ignoring it doesn't come back to bite some of you. Your families do not deserve that.

 

[Orangeslice13]

There's nothing false about that. I truly beleive the Vaccine is killing people, and more are likely back on the way. And yes I truly do hope it doesn't hurt you or the other people around me who i think are basically good people. You twist that as you like. I do not consider myself holy in anyway, rather I am trying to warn you what by now should be obvious to anyone who paying attention,a nd willing to put wisdom before pride.

it was absolutely false and no different than saying “I’m right and you know it” your incorrect warnings hide the truth and protect the actual perpetrators. Your warnings give a false since of safety to those who are also in danger.

If you want to talk about it that’s fine. Just keep the personal attacks and straw man nonsense to yourself. That’s for people with no credibility.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

it was absolutely false and no different than saying “I’m right and you know it” your incorrect warnings hide the truth and protect the actual perpetrators. Your warnings give a false since of safety to those who are also in danger.

If you want to talk about it that’s fine. Just keep the personal attacks and straw man nonsense to yourself. That’s for people with no credibility.

It isn't false....rather it is your need to paint me as a villain, rather then acknowledge the cracks in your world view. You can solve the why of that on your own time. I'm not your enemy, never have been. I'm the guy warning you of danger ahead.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It isn't false....rather it is your need to paint me as a villain, rather then acknowledge the cracks in your world view. You can solve the why of that on your own time. I'm not your enemy, never have been. I'm the guy warning you of danger ahead.

again
Accusing me of your behavior.
I’ve not once framed you as anything. You started that Bull ****.
Even in the post I quoted you’re pulling that crap. Stop making up motivations for others and examine your own behavior.
I’m the guy warning you that you’re in the same danger as everyone else.
That behavior doesn’t make you the good guy. It also proves you don’t have facts to stand on

 

[Orangeslice13]

Fair enough. You are entitled to your own opinions but you should be allowed to voice them without having to worry about what others might label you. It's sad that we have gotten to a point where anybody who thinks "outside the box" or "outside the accepted line of thinking" is cheaply labeled a conspiracy theorists.
In my world there are conspiracy theorists (real conspiracy theorists), there are free thinkers (people who have learned to question everything and form their own opinions on information and facts that they have personally seen) and then there are the sheeple who simply fall in line and believe whatever the media or government tells them.

Now do you see why I stick to what I can prove.

 

[VolinWayne]

Now do you see why I stick to what I can prove.

Yes I do somewhat but I still do not understand your stance on the vaccines. You have admitted that the spike protein from covid is causing major health issues but at the same time it seems like you want to simply ignore the spike protein from the vaccine that was mandated in so many places. Also how do you dismiss VAERS (it's generally very under-reported) into consideration and look at the huge increase in adverse reactions that was reported after the vaccine was forced on the public. How do you dismiss the well-known fact that a side effect of the vaccine is myocarditis?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Yes I do somewhat but I still do not understand your stance on the vaccines. You have admitted that the spike protein from covid is causing major health issues but at the same time it seems like you want to simply ignore the spike protein from the vaccine that was mandated in so many places. Also how do you dismiss VAERS (it's generally very under-reported) into consideration and look at the huge increase in adverse reactions that was reported after the vaccine was forced on the public. How do you dismiss the well-known fact that a side effect of the vaccine is myocarditis?

I’m not dismissing anything.
The fact remains that the numbers are the same for the unvaccinated as the vaccinated. If the vaccine was the problem that would not be the case. If the vaccine never existed then the side effects numbers would be the exact same as they are now.
Another fact is the side effects have not appeared in any other MNRA trial (to date) just in the covid placing the blame on the disease itself instead of the vaccine. let’s just be honest what the numbers say today.

Since you didn’t ask but assumed incorrectly……
we can say a lot about the vaccine.
-Did it prevent Covid as advertised?
Nope
-Did it reduce severity of the disease.
In the first 2 mutations, yes after that no.
These are the numbers. It doesn’t change because I want them to say something else.
From the numbers I can say that you’re doing exactly what you accuse me of. Ignoring evidence to support your belief.

How about politics

-should it have been mandated?
Absolutely not.
-does that have anything to do with the side effects debate
Nope.


Let’s try this another way.

People who regularly eat bacon are at a higher risk for cancer. If bacon wasn’t the cause then there would not be a higher rate of cancer among the bacon eaters. It would be like the vaccine where the side effects are the same for both groups.


but I digress

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

So you’re in on the picture day thing?

My laptop is in the shop. I do have a picture of me (sorry ladies, short on ) that I'll post when I get it back next week.

 

[VolinWayne]

The fact remains that the numbers are the same for the unvaccinated as the vaccinated. If the vaccine was the problem that would not be the case. If the vaccine never existed then the side effects numbers would be the exact same as they are now.

You state this as a fact and not just your opinion. Where do you have reliable numbers to back this up?? Honest question. I realize this is anecdotal but when I hear of somebody locally who is having cardiac issues 9 times out of 10 they are vaccinated.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You state this as a fact and not just your opinion. Where do you have reliable numbers to back this up?? Honest question. I realize this is anecdotal but when I hear of somebody locally who is having cardiac issues 9 times out of 10 they are vaccinated.

Math is hard.
Do your own research.
Mine comes from a personal injury law firm that specializes in medical malpractice.

Confirmation bias on what you here is not relevant

 

[VolinWayne]

Another fact is the side effects have not appeared in any other MNRA trial (to date) just in the covid placing the blame on the disease itself instead of the vaccine. let’s just be honest what the numbers say today.

Probably not going to find a lot of side effects when all the test animals are necropsied (killed) shortly after vaccination.

This means, with all test animals dead, the scientists could not find out

whether these animals could actually reproduce

whether these animals had shortened lifespans

what happens to the test animals upon COVID reinfections

whether the test animals would be more likely to have cancers or other immune-mediated diseases

whether the test animals were more likely to suffer from other species-specific illnesses



Or what about the 44 percent of pregnant women participating in Pfizer’s mRNA COVID vaccine trial who suffered miscarriages.

 

[DC_Vol]

I ain’t scared. I post a picture once a month to an accountability group. I’ll post one now.

My accountability partner lives with me.

 

[DC_Vol]

Double post. I like pie.

 

[Orangeburst]

My laptop is in the shop. I do have a picture of me (sorry ladies, short on ) that I'll post when I get it back next week.

that u Hunter?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Yes I do somewhat but I still do not understand your stance on the vaccines. You have admitted that the spike protein from covid is causing major health issues but at the same time it seems like you want to simply ignore the spike protein from the vaccine that was mandated in so many places. Also how do you dismiss VAERS (it's generally very under-reported) into consideration and look at the huge increase in adverse reactions that was reported after the vaccine was forced on the public. How do you dismiss the well-known fact that a side effect of the vaccine is myocarditis?

It's the difference in giving your opinion and giving someone else their opinion.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

If there was a significant mortality impact, you'd see it in life insurance premiums, disability premiums, and stock price of major insurers.

Life insurance and disability rates are down in 2023 vs 2022 and 2022 was lower than 202q.

The stock price for the 5 largest life/disability companies are all up over 50% since announcement of vax.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Probably not going to find a lot of side effects when all the test animals are necropsied (killed) shortly after vaccination.

This means, with all test animals dead, the scientists could not find out

whether these animals could actually reproduce

whether these animals had shortened lifespans

what happens to the test animals upon COVID reinfections

whether the test animals would be more likely to have cancers or other immune-mediated diseases

whether the test animals were more likely to suffer from other species-specific illnesses



Or what about the 44 percent of pregnant women participating in Pfizer’s mRNA COVID vaccine trial who suffered miscarriages.

Human trials

 

[Orangeslice13]

Double post. I like pie.

Lol
You’re my Boi Blue!!

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Probably not going to find a lot of side effects when all the test animals are necropsied (killed) shortly after vaccination.

This means, with all test animals dead, the scientists could not find out

whether these animals could actually reproduce

whether these animals had shortened lifespans

what happens to the test animals upon COVID reinfections

whether the test animals would be more likely to have cancers or other immune-mediated diseases

whether the test animals were more likely to suffer from other species-specific illnesses



Or what about the 44 percent of pregnant women participating in Pfizer’s mRNA COVID vaccine trial who suffered miscarriages.

You do know the 44 percent ended up being a complete lie and the number of stillbirths, etc. are slightly lower than 2019...

That 44% is as accurate as the US 6 million heart disease deaths per year that was posted by someone else..

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I know there's some vaccine injuries. You do billions and billions of Jabs and there's going to be injuries. I also know when common sense should kick in and where you will know there's a material impact is when it hits an insurer's pocketbook...

Tornado hit, insurance went up
Straigh line wind hit, insurance went up
Car thefts increased, insurance went up
Hurricane hit, insurance went up
Wildfires hit, insurance went up
Billions of Jabs, life/disability insurance stayed flat or decreased