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Sounds like the Pfizer lawyers have their talking points... vaccines were not forced on people.

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Pfizer Dismisses Concerns Over Vaccine Mandates​

The news of the deaths follows a parliamentary inquiry into the COVID-19 mandates heard from the Australian heads of Pfizer Australia that the vaccine mandates coerced Australians into getting vaccinated for COVID-19, saying they had a choice.

Appearing before an Australian senate inquiry into the COVID-19 vaccine mandates, Pfizer Country Medical Director Dr. Krishan Thiru and Dr. Brian Hewitt, the head of Regulatory Sciences for Pfizer, dismissed concerns of senators that Australians had been coerced into getting the COVID-19 vaccine.

"I believe firmly that nobody was forced to have a vaccine," Dr. Thiru said.

"Mandates for vaccine requirements are determined by governments and health authorities. I believe everybody was offered an opportunity to get a vaccine or not get a vaccine. I don't believe that anybody was forced to take a vaccine."

Meanwhile, Dr. Hewitt, when asked if he believed Australians in states that were subject to large-scale mandates—like Western Australia or Victoria—were not forced into getting the shot even when they found they were unable to earn a living without receiving a vaccination, replied he did not believe mandates compelled individuals into vaccinating.

"The mandates for vaccine requirements are determined by governments and health authorities. I don't believe that the mandates actually forced individuals to get vaccinations," he said.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
He’s a lot like Rex in that he reframes what you said then argues against that. He’s not to be taken seriously
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Well you know my situation. Wasn't as severe as yours but there are reasons you are sometimes short sighted. If me taking the shot saved her and dropped me if would have been worth it.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Well you know my situation. Wasn't as severe as yours but there are reasons you are sometimes short sighted. If me taking the shot saved her and dropped me if would have been worth it.
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Not everyone has a woman that they’d die to defend. I’d say most are too selfish for that type of love. I don’t expect everyone to understand it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Sounds like the Pfizer lawyers have their talking points... vaccines were not forced on people.

First COVID Deaths Were Fully Jabbed, Australian State Records Reveal | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com www.zerohedge.com

Pfizer Dismisses Concerns Over Vaccine Mandates​

The news of the deaths follows a parliamentary inquiry into the COVID-19 mandates heard from the Australian heads of Pfizer Australia that the vaccine mandates coerced Australians into getting vaccinated for COVID-19, saying they had a choice.

Appearing before an Australian senate inquiry into the COVID-19 vaccine mandates, Pfizer Country Medical Director Dr. Krishan Thiru and Dr. Brian Hewitt, the head of Regulatory Sciences for Pfizer, dismissed concerns of senators that Australians had been coerced into getting the COVID-19 vaccine.

"I believe firmly that nobody was forced to have a vaccine," Dr. Thiru said.

"Mandates for vaccine requirements are determined by governments and health authorities. I believe everybody was offered an opportunity to get a vaccine or not get a vaccine. I don't believe that anybody was forced to take a vaccine."

Meanwhile, Dr. Hewitt, when asked if he believed Australians in states that were subject to large-scale mandates—like Western Australia or Victoria—were not forced into getting the shot even when they found they were unable to earn a living without receiving a vaccination, replied he did not believe mandates compelled individuals into vaccinating.

"The mandates for vaccine requirements are determined by governments and health authorities. I don't believe that the mandates actually forced individuals to get vaccinations," he said.
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I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.
The company isn’t responsible for things out of their control. The mandates are, were, will be absolute Bull ****. But those companies had no say in that. That wrong belongs to your government.
There’s plenty to get after the pharmaceutical companies over. But mandating isn’t one of them.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Here is someone else catching them in a lie with how they are reporting data they pulled from VAERS.

To be fair, it does appear they have adjusted their figures/algorithm some after being called out on this one aspect...

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VAERS data distorted to falsely link vaccines and miscarriage

A tweet shared across social media this week distorts CDC and FDA data to spread a false narrative about COVID-19 vaccines during pregnancy.
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They aren’t going to understand this or they’ll just choose to ignore it.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Not everyone has a woman that they’d die to defend. I’d say most are too selfish for that type of love. I don’t expect everyone to understand it.
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I understand it completely. But just don't mistake pride for love. I totally DO get what you are saying I love my own wife just as much. You have made the decisions you felt were best for your loved one. I understand that completely. But that doesn't mean you can't be wrong in a decision. One of my best friends wife was dying of cancer before covid. Out of nowhere there was progress in the treatment and she went into remission. She began to seem healthy again, and it was like an answered prayer. Then Covid hit and she and my friend both got vaxed....x3 as Vandy recommended to them. After all, her immune system was very brittle. He went to extremes to make sure she could catch nothing and closed himself off just about to any contac with loved ones etc. They wanted to take no chances. A few months after last vaccine and her cancer came back more aggressive then it had before and she passed. He and her daughter lost her. I am not saying any of this to prove a point, and No I do not know if the vaccine was responsible in anyway....but based on what I have read since it is a nagging possibilty. Many cancers are on the rise and many see a correlation. It's not my intent to argue over that either.....but it's something anyone with that history should take serious enough to look into without a need to defend any "side" but rather to make the best decisions for their families. This should be open and possible without political figures standing in the way or politicizing medecine. .

This is a 100% true story, and my friend is devestated still and nothing I do or say seems to bring him out of his shell. I can't even get him to just out for dinner etc. We grew up as best friends, he was the best man at my wedding. I wasa groomsman at his. We grew up together and spent most of our lives talking and chatting till the wee hours into the night. I just hope everyone when we make such decisions looks at all the facts as they currently stand when these vaccines come out again. Before we had little to go on everyone made decisions at the time based on what they knew, and the professionals we trusted. We have ALOT more information now. We should make our present decisions on our present information, regardless of any past decisions or pride...and without being clouded by emotion if we wish to do what is best for those we love.

I know for myself beyond a shadow of a doubt these experimental vaccines are dangerous, and I believe it is intentional. I won't stop pointing that out. We all have loved ones we're trying to protect that we'd die for.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I understand it completely. But just don't mistake pride for
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Nobody was talking to or about you.
I stopped reading right there.
I really don’t care what you think about it beyond that.
Edit: I mean this narrow topic that 82 brought up. I believe you’re wrong in your assumption and methodology. But I also believe you are sincere. That’s not what 82 and I are addressing
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Nobody was talking to or about you.
I stopped reading right there.
I really don’t care what you think about it beyond that.
Edit: I mean this narrow topic that 82 brought up. I believe you’re wrong in your assumption and methodology. But I also believe you are sincere. That’s not what 82 and I are addressing
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Those were not shots fired. That was me speakinging openly and honestly to a friend.....
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Those were not shots fired. That was me speakinging openly and honestly to a friend.....
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The thing that you and many others in this thread have is 20/10 hindsight. At the time we were going through our ordeal, the shots seemed a blessing since there really wasn't a lot of bad press out. Since we were in the very first wave, we thought we were doing the right thing. Unlike you, I can't look back and say it was the wrong thing to do or given what I knew at the time I would do it any differently.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Not everyone has a woman that they’d die to defend. I’d say most are too selfish for that type of love. I don’t expect everyone to understand it.
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Then why didn’t you take the 4th booster. Seems reckless not to be fully vaccinated. You can’t claim to be doing everything you can to protect someone, then not be fully vaccinated.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Not everyone has a woman that they’d die to defend. I’d say most are too selfish for that type of love. I don’t expect everyone to understand it.
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This same reasoning is why I stood firm and wouldn’t let any of my family be given the shot with no long term safety data for a virus with a 99% survival rate. I did that because I have teenage girls and a wife that I care about.


I don’t expect everyone to understand it.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Then why didn’t you take the 4th booster. Seems reckless not to be fully vaccinated. You can’t claim to be doing everything you can to protect someone, then not be fully vaccinated.
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Because you make decisions based on all the available information at the time.
I’d take the 1st 2 again and stop there just like I did based on what we know now.



This is why nobody takes you seriously
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
The thing that you and many others in this thread have is 20/10 hindsight. At the time we were going through our ordeal, the shots seemed a blessing since there really wasn't a lot of bad press out. Since we were in the very first wave, we thought we were doing the right thing. Unlike you, I can't look back and say it was the wrong thing to do or given what I knew at the time I would do it any differently.
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That’s why we are supposed to stick with our training in basic virology. But we had the media and Fauci terrifying everyone.

If you are taking fire you don’t just jump up and run from your foxhole. That’s how you get shot for sure.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
This same reasoning is why I stood firm and wouldn’t let any of my family be given the shot with no long term safety data for a virus with a 99% survival rate. I did that because I have teenage girls and a wife that I care about.


I don’t expect everyone to understand it.
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I take no issue with the decision you’ve made. I might have made different decisions in a different situation.

Unlike you I’m not a schmuck to people who don’t agree with me.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
That’s why we are supposed to stick with our training in basic virology. But we had the media and Fauci terrifying everyone.

If you are taking fire you don’t just jump up and run from your foxhole. That’s how you get shot for sure.
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I based absolutely nothing off of Fauci.
I’m capable of reading studies and making my own decisions.


That’s the straw man you like to chase.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
This same reasoning is why I stood firm and wouldn’t let any of my family be given the shot with no long term safety data for a virus with a 99% survival rate. I did that because I have teenage girls and a wife that I care about.


I don’t expect everyone to understand it.
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I didn’t get my kid’s vaccinated because my gut feeling as a mother said not to do it.. I got myself vaccinated because work required it, and I don’t care as much about myself 😂 ANECDOTALLY my husband and I both had the vaccine and had Covid numerous times and various complications and health issues, while in the meantime, everyone we know who did not receive the blessed vaccine is just peachy.. just my personal experience.. yours may differ
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Because you make decisions based on all the available information at the time.
I’d take the 1st 2 again and stop there just like I did based on what we know now.



This is why nobody takes you seriously
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You keep saying that like it is hitting its target. But you are the one that tried to claim the high ground acting like you care so much but didn’t even finish the prescribed regimen.

I care so much that I didn’t start it. That’s why I am taken seriously by the folks that matter.
 
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