Vaccine or not?

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Here are several recent studies dealing with spike protein in the blood with a brief breakdown of each by Dr. William Makis

Persistent Circulating Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Spike Is Associated With Post-acute Coronavirus Disease 2019 Sequelae (spike in blood of long COVID patients at 12 mo)
Study: looked at 63 long COVID patients and took blood samples up to 12 months after their 1st positive result
Results: 60% Long COVID patients had detectable spike protein in plasma up to 12 months.
In contrast, COVID-19 patients who did not go on to develop Long COVID had no spike detectable. They only had detectable S1 within 1st week after diagnosis.
Theory: authors theorize that “SARS-CoV-2 viral reservoirs may persist in the body”
Problem: some of these patients were COVID-19 vaccinated and they didn’t account for the vaccine status and its effects.

https://www.cell.com/trends/molecular-medicine/fulltext/S1471-4914(22)00189-7 (does vaxx spike get into blood & cause injury?)
After COVID-19 mRNA vaccination, circulating spike protein originates from endogenous production and its concentration will be much higher in tissues where production occurs(!)
Roltgen et al. detected vaxx mRNA and spike in axillary lymph nodes up to 60 days after 2nd dose of Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
circulating S1 subunit levels from those with severe COVID-19 infection are similar to post mRNA vaccine circulating S1 levels.
Theory: severe COVID-19 infection and mRNA vaccination could result in similar total systemic amounts of S protein (about 72 billion spikes estimated)
most virus spike protein remains in respiratory tract while mRNA vaccine induced spike protein production occurs in internal organs and tissues, which can exert more systemic effects (!!!)
Conclusion: COVID-19 mRNA vaccines under some circumstances induce high and possibly toxic amounts of S protein in organs and tissues, in turn leaking into the circulation.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025vaxxed vaxxed with myocarditis had full spike in blood)
Study: looked at 16 adolescents ages 12-21 (13 men, 3 women) with COVID-19 mRNA vaccine induced myocarditis vs 45 mRNA vaxxed control subjects
Results: full length spike protein (unbound by antibodies) was found in plasma of individuals with vaxx induced myocarditis, but none was found in mRNA vaxxed controls.
elevated spike was seen equally in affected females and males(!!!)
circulating free spike remained detectable at 3 weeks after vaccination

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apm.13294 (vaxx mRNA detected in blood of 10% at 28 days)
In Denmark, Hepatitis C patients were monitored for HCV infection
Study: They extracted RNA from patient plasma in 108 Hepatitis C patients who were COVID-19 mRNA vaccinated
Results: 10% had full length or traces of COVID-19 vaccine mRNA sequences in the blood up to 28 days after vaccination
Theory: authors suspect this mRNA is in LNPs which are being slowly released into the blood from the injection site for up to 28 days!

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/prca.202300048 (spike detected in blood of 50% vaxxed at 6 months!)
Spike protein is one of 4 major proteins of SARS-CoV2, it enables recognition of host cell receptor and entry into the host cell
Both Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 mRNA vaccines use a modified spike protein - all uridine bases were replaced with methyl pseudouridine (less immunogenic, more stable)
Both Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 mRNA vaccines also use a stabilized spike (different from natural spike) that differs by a double amino acid change at position 986 and 987, K986P and V987P - the amino acids lysine and valine are both replaced by two proline amino acids in order to stabilize the spike confirmation in an inactive prefusion state (PP-Spike).
researchers can differentiate natural SARS-CoV-2 spike which can be broken down by tryptic digestion, from Pfizer/Moderna vaccine spike (PP-spike) which can’t be digested (because the double amino acid change eliminated the tryptic digestion site).
Study: 20 were vaccinated with mRNA vaccine, 20 were unvaccinated and uninfected with COVID-19, 20 were unvaccinated but positive for COVID-19.
Results: 50% of the mRNA vaccinated still have spike protein in the blood 6 months after vaccination (and will continue, possibly indefinitely)
Theories:
1. mRNA integrates into some blood cells and spike is continuously produced
2. mRNA integrates into bacterial cells in the blood and spike is continuously produced
 
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Humetrix researchers found that the proportion of total COVID-19 cases among the seniors was increasingly comprised of vaccinated people, according to the newly disclosed documents.

For the week ending on July 31, 2021, post-vaccination COVID-19 cases represented 73 percent of the cases among people 65 and older, the company found. The elderly were 80 percent fully vaccinated at the time.

Breakthrough infection rates were higher among those who were vaccinated early, the researchers found. They estimated that the rates were twice as high in those who had been vaccinated five to six months prior, when compared to people vaccinated three to four months before.

FDA, CDC Hid Data on Spike in COVID Cases Among the Vaccinated: Documents
 
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VolinWayne said:
Humetrix researchers found that the proportion of total COVID-19 cases among the seniors was increasingly comprised of vaccinated people, according to the newly disclosed documents.

For the week ending on July 31, 2021, post-vaccination COVID-19 cases represented 73 percent of the cases among people 65 and older, the company found. The elderly were 80 percent fully vaccinated at the time.

Breakthrough infection rates were higher among those who were vaccinated early, the researchers found. They estimated that the rates were twice as high in those who had been vaccinated five to six months prior, when compared to people vaccinated three to four months before.

FDA, CDC Hid Data on Spike in COVID Cases Among the Vaccinated: Documents
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You know that is being used to justify saying people need to be boosted, right?

While I’ve gone after the vaccine as the cause of side effects…..because the numbers say it’s not, and errdamnbody is at risk……the numbers also say that the vaccine was an absolute failure as a vaccine by the 3rd wave and hindsight says it was only helpful to the higher risk population in the early stages.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You know that is being used to justify saying people need to be boosted, right?

While I’ve gone after the vaccine as the cause of side effects…..because the numbers say it’s not, and errdamnbody is at risk……the numbers also say that the vaccine was an absolute failure as a vaccine by the 3rd wave and hindsight says it was only helpful to the higher risk population in the early stages.
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Yes and sadly there are many who fall for that lie. On another note I think it's pretty clear the spike protein from both covid and the vaccine can be very harmful. My logic is if the vaccine provides very little protection from the virus why would you entertain the idea of subjecting yourself to the spike from the vaccine.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Yes and sadly there are many who fall for that lie. On another note I think it's pretty clear the spike protein from both covid and the vaccine can be very harmful. My logic is if the vaccine provides very little protection from the virus why would you entertain the idea of subjecting yourself to the spike from the vaccine.
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If you’re following anything I’m saying you would not have to ask
 
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Maybe we should have remembered basic virology training and not gone into complete freak out mode over a virus with a 99% survival rate.

Then we wouldn’t have folks shooting up on a shot with no long term safety data.

The one positive from this period is knowing who to trust during tough times. It’s been quite revealing.
 
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As Ras would say….if you think anyone learned anything then you’re lying to yourself. They may not fall for masking this time but the next “pandemic” will look worse than this one.
 
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I learned who I can and can’t trust when things get tough. Some folks I’ve had to recategorize.

And I know I can’t help how others will react. I just hope maybe they learned something.
 
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'More subterfuge!' Anthony Fauci is branded a 'fraud' and a 'liar' after admitting there IS a lack of evidence showing mask mandates stopped the COVID pandemic​

  • Fauci slammed for admitting there's a lack of evidence in favor of mask wearing
  • A study in the UK found 'just no evidence that they - masks - make any difference'
  • Fauci backtracked and said that the data is 'less strong' to show masks worked
 
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508mikey said:

MSN

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'More subterfuge!' Anthony Fauci is branded a 'fraud' and a 'liar' after admitting there IS a lack of evidence showing mask mandates stopped the COVID pandemic​

  • Fauci slammed for admitting there's a lack of evidence in favor of mask wearing
  • A study in the UK found 'just no evidence that they - masks - make any difference'
  • Fauci backtracked and said that the data is 'less strong' to show masks worked
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It’s worse than that.
If you google lung infections you will see a **** load of studies that say there’s no “bacterial infection “ problem associated with masks. However if you no how to search beyond that you can find studies on micoplastic infections associated with improper masks.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
you have no idea why none of what you posted here is relevant to the conversation, do you?


Eat as much bacon as you can. It’s a heath food.
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You just can’t admit when you have been schooled. You have to believe you are right. It’s ok to be wrong. That’s part of being an adult.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You just can’t admit when you have been schooled. You have to believe you are right. It’s ok to be wrong. That’s part of being an adult.
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In this particular case, I think you all are not much different than him. While he does fall back on the "science" with regards to the jab, you guys created a strawman and have tried to tear it to pieces. He said nothing about saturated fats or the dietary guidelines. He simply pointed out his beliefs on one type of meat.
 
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Review
'Spikeopathy': COVID-19 Spike Protein Is Pathogenic, from Both Virus and Vaccine mRNA

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

'Spikeopathy': COVID-19 Spike Protein Is Pathogenic, from Both Virus and Vaccine mRNA - PubMed

The COVID-19 pandemic caused much illness, many deaths, and profound disruption to society. The production of 'safe and effective' vaccines was a key public health target. Sadly, unprecedented high rates of adverse events have overshadowed the benefits. This two-part narrative review presents...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
In this particular case, I think you all are not much different than him. While he does fall back on the "science" with regards to the jab, you guys created a strawman and have tried to tear it to pieces. He said nothing about saturated fats or the dietary guidelines. He simply pointed out his beliefs on one type of meat.
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I’m consistent on the numbers there.
The numbers do not support the vaccine as a cause of the side effects. That’s a different argument than the efficacy and effectiveness of the vaccine. The numbers do not support the vaccine being successful. In the first couple waves the vaccine reduces severity in the immune compromised but that doesn’t make it successful. It did not prevent transmission. It did not prevent infection. It’s just not possible to say it was a success. It only got worse after that.

Now that dufuss isn’t worth responding to. Hes like trying to understand Rex. I don’t even try anymore. He’s clearly clueless on what the problem is nutritionally with bacon. If it was about pork then turkey bacon would not have the exact same issues as the pork bacon. The problem isn’t ham. It’s bacon
 
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VolinWayne said:
Review
'Spikeopathy': COVID-19 Spike Protein Is Pathogenic, from Both Virus and Vaccine mRNA

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

'Spikeopathy': COVID-19 Spike Protein Is Pathogenic, from Both Virus and Vaccine mRNA - PubMed

The COVID-19 pandemic caused much illness, many deaths, and profound disruption to society. The production of 'safe and effective' vaccines was a key public health target. Sadly, unprecedented high rates of adverse events have overshadowed the benefits. This two-part narrative review presents...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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You would think that if we we’re going to call something “safe and effective” that the side effects of the disease would be reduced among the vaccinated population instead of the exact same as the unvaccinated.

That’s my biggest issue here. Everyone is discussing side effects but nobody seems to be interested it talking about it’s failure to protect anyone from the disease.


But I digress.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You would think that if we we’re going to call something “safe and effective” that the side effects of the disease would be reduced among the vaccinated population instead of the exact same as the unvaccinated.

That’s my biggest issue here. Everyone is discussing side effects but nobody seems to be interested it talking about it’s failure to protect anyone from the disease.


But I digress.
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Both are huge issues that need to continue to be exposed. I agree with you that adverse reactions to the virus are a real issue but I continue to talk about the adverse reactions to the vaccine because they are what got mandated and pushed on the population. Im also very concerned about the possibility of vaccine passports being linked to the digital dollar....... I do think we both agree that both covid and the covid vaccine have adverse reactions.
 
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A study published on Aug. 1 followed 40 adolescents in Hong Kong for up to a year. Follow-up testing performed in 26 patients with initial abnormal findings revealed that 58 percent of those with vaccine-associated myocarditis had persistent heart muscle scarring. The authors concluded: “There exists a potential long-term effect on exercise capacity and cardiac functional reserve during stress.”

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Cardiovascular Assessment up to One Year After COVID-19 Vaccine–Associated Myocarditis

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VolinWayne said:
Both are huge issues that need to continue to be exposed. I agree with you that adverse reactions to the virus are a real issue but I continue to talk about the adverse reactions to the vaccine because they are what got mandated and pushed on the population. Im also very concerned about the possibility of vaccine passports being linked to the digital dollar....... I do think we both agree that both covid and the covid vaccine have adverse reactions.
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The digital dollar is a whole different level of oppression.
End times kinda thing
 
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Getting over my 3rd bout with the Chinese flu and it has probably been the worst bout yet. I actually ran a fever for about an hour Friday but it broke after taking a couple Tylenol and that was it. I was soaked in sweat when it broke. Was tired the rest of the day Friday and Saturday but have been perfectly fine since even though my at home test was still positive this morning.
 
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