Vaccine or not?

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A large nationwide study of more than 4 million people in New Zealand identified a statistically significant association in two adverse events following vaccination with Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine. See the conclusion from the study below.

Conclusions
A statistically significant association between BNT162b2 vaccination and myo/pericarditis was observed. This association has been confirmed internationally. BNT162b2 was not found to be associated with the other AESIs investigated, except for SOCV following the first dose of BNT162b2 in the 20–39 years age group only, providing reassurances around the safety of the vaccine.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Adverse Events Following the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech) in Aotearoa New Zealand

In February 2021, New Zealand began its largest ever immunisation programme with the BNT162b2 mRNA coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine.We aimed to understand the association between 12 adverse events of special interest (AESIs) and a primary dose ...
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VolinWayne said:
What point are you trying to make? Did they vaccinate his ankle or something??
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I think he jumped into this surgery entirely too quickly without conducting his own review of the literature and gathering second and third opinions from quacks. For example, did he even ask whether rubbing it with ivermectin paste could have worked? Did he talk to this Greek doctor about Windex as an option?

 
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evillawyer said:
I think he jumped into this surgery entirely too quickly without conducting his own review of the literature and gathering second and third opinions from quacks. For example, did he even ask whether rubbing it with ivermectin paste could have worked? Did he talk to this Greek doctor about Windex as an option?

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Are they only quacks if they disagree with you?
There are plenty of Drs who are highly respected saying the need for the Covid vaccine has passed and isn’t for everyone.
Is a 2nd and 3rd opinion a bad thing when it comes to your health?

Ya, I know you’re not going to answer.
Is that because you’re not going to buy the Red Woman and myself the lunch you owe us when we are up there in June?
 
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I wonder what percentage of Americans will get this new Covid shot? I'm trying to gather data on how many got the previous doses and it's hard to come by. The most recent is this, from April 26th:

www.statista.com

Percentage of people vaccinated against COVID-19 by state U.S. 2023 | Statista

As of April 2023, about 69 percent of the U.S. population had been vaccinated against COVID. Rhode Island had one of the highest shares of people vaccinated.
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It shows 16.8% got the most recent vax. So I'd say max 20% got it. My guess is 12-15% will get this one. I really don't think most people need it anymore. Most already have natural immunity. Most are not susceptible to getting hospitalized by it. By advocates own admission, reduced hospitalization is the only benefit that they're touting.

I'm below 65, healthy, no obesity, no medications and I've had C19 twice. It'd be nuts for me to get this. If anyone else has more recent data than what I've posted here, by all means, bring it us. For comparison sake, about 50% of Americans get the flu vaccine
 
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Sea Ray said:
I wonder what percentage of Americans will get this new Covid shot? I'm trying to gather data on how many got the previous doses and it's hard to come by. The most recent is this, from April 26th:

www.statista.com

Percentage of people vaccinated against COVID-19 by state U.S. 2023 | Statista

As of April 2023, about 69 percent of the U.S. population had been vaccinated against COVID. Rhode Island had one of the highest shares of people vaccinated.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

It shows 16.8% got the most recent vax. So I'd say max 20% got it. My guess is 12-15% will get this one. I really don't think most people need it anymore. Most already have natural immunity. Most are not susceptible to getting hospitalized by it. By advocates own admission, reduced hospitalization is the only benefit that they're touting.

I'm below 65, healthy, no obesity, no medications and I've had C19 twice. It'd be nuts for me to get this. If anyone else has more recent data than what I've posted here, by all means, bring it us. For comparison sake, about 50% of Americans get the flu vaccine
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all y’all get it is I won’t have to..
what a 5 year shitshow
 
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Sea Ray said:
I wonder what percentage of Americans will get this new Covid shot? I'm trying to gather data on how many got the previous doses and it's hard to come by. The most recent is this, from April 26th:

www.statista.com

Percentage of people vaccinated against COVID-19 by state U.S. 2023 | Statista

As of April 2023, about 69 percent of the U.S. population had been vaccinated against COVID. Rhode Island had one of the highest shares of people vaccinated.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

It shows 16.8% got the most recent vax. So I'd say max 20% got it. My guess is 12-15% will get this one. I really don't think most people need it anymore. Most already have natural immunity. Most are not susceptible to getting hospitalized by it. By advocates own admission, reduced hospitalization is the only benefit that they're touting.

I'm below 65, healthy, no obesity, no medications and I've had C19 twice. It'd be nuts for me to get this. If anyone else has more recent data than what I've posted here, by all means, bring it us. For comparison sake, about 50% of Americans get the flu vaccine
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I think it depends on how effective the government scares the citizens again. Or guilts then into thinking they are protecting others by getting a shot that doesn’t work.
 
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MSN

www.msn.com

CDC confirms COVID-19 vaccine prevents death in only 1 out of 1 million​

"per million doses in 12-17-year-olds over 6 months, 0-1 deaths have been prevented."

but Dems insist on it.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Keep in mind OpenVaers has been caught repeatedly lying/misleading for 2.5 yrs...

California Woman Behind Anti-Vax Site Outperforming Government Database

In collaboration with VICE, Logically investigators reveal the California woman operating OpenVAERS, a website that misrepresents federal data to promote an anti-vax agenda.
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How many injuries are real?

I keep seeing “millions and billions of jabs are going to result in some injuries”.

What’s the number? Not the percentage (which I’m sure is an impressive display of long division), but the actual number of injuries.

Just curious.
 
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85SugarVol said:
How many injuries are real?

I keep seeing “millions and billions of jabs are going to result in some injuries”.

What’s the number? Not the percentage (which I’m sure is an impressive display of long division), but the actual number of injuries.

Just curious.
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Honestly, I have no idea nor does anyone else on an exact number. No consistency in reporting and many times there could be a related cause (i.e. a fat vax guy has a heart attack...what caused the injury?) Right now, I could file a VAERS report because my blood pressure went from 105/62 in 2019 to 108/65 now and say without perjuring myself "My BP went up and it might be due to the vax"

Due to this lack of consistency, this is why you have to look to see if you find trends in consistent items. This is where you see no increase in stillbirths, heart deaths, cancer deaths, total deaths, strokes, etc. If there was some type of issue, it would be seen in life insurance premiums, their financials, etc. It just hasn't shown up. Many life insurers are trading near all time highs.
 
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Not to make this an accounting exercise but if you increase the overall death rate actuarial tables used by life insurers by 60% (like Wayne insinuated) or 250/400% like others have claimed, you'd have a financial meltdown that would make 2007-08 look mild....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Honestly, I have no idea nor does anyone else on an exact number. No consistency in reporting and many times there could be a related cause (i.e. a fat vax guy has a heart attack...what caused the injury?) Right now, I could file a VAERS report because my blood pressure went from 105/62 in 2019 to 108/65 now and say without perjuring myself "My BP went up and it might be due to the vax"

Due to this lack of consistency, this is why you have to look to see if you find trends in consistent items. This is where you see no increase in stillbirths, heart deaths, cancer deaths, total deaths, strokes, etc. If there was some type of issue, it would be seen in life insurance premiums, their financials, etc. It just hasn't shown up. Many life insurers are trading near all time highs.
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I get all of that. I do.

The number of jabs is huge. Which leads to the % of injuries being so low. Which likely informs the trends and lack of alarm by those with money at stake.

I’m just curious as to the top line number.

I thought I’d seen one of your 0.0000000000000817% numbers. I certainly could be wrong about that.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Not to make this an accounting exercise but if you increase the overall death rate actuarial tables used by life insurers by 60% (like Wayne insinuated) or 250/400% like others have claimed, you'd have a financial meltdown that would make 2007-08 look mild....
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???
Why wouldn't' it just be 160% increase? What data are yo talking about?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
???
Why wouldn't' it just be 160% increase? What data are yo talking about?
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VolinWayne extrapolated VAERS data to imply there would are 1.7 million annual excess deaths from the vax. (He claims he didnt but he stated 17K deaths and that was only 1% reported). That 1.7Mm number is 60% of the total number of deaths in the US each year.

Other posters have posted links that claims 6.5 and 12 million annual US excess deaths based on their "research". Still awaiting an answer on how that's possible but it's from the segment that let's their echo chamber think for them so I guess I shouldnt hold my breath waiting on a response....

My point is if you increased actuarial results to any of those figures, you'd see a meltdown in the financial sector that would make 07-08 look tame.
 
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Orangeburst said:

MSN

www.msn.com

CDC confirms COVID-19 vaccine prevents death in only 1 out of 1 million​

"per million doses in 12-17-year-olds over 6 months, 0-1 deaths have been prevented."

but Dems insist on it.
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I’m surprised MSN published this. Why is the media beginning to change the narrative on the vaccines?
 
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85SugarVol said:
How many injuries are real?

I keep seeing “millions and billions of jabs are going to result in some injuries”.

What’s the number? Not the percentage (which I’m sure is an impressive display of long division), but the actual number of injuries.

Just curious.
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Small pet peeve of mine and not a shot at you because I don’t think you’ve complained about this but…..
The people who complain about “horse paste” being used to describe ivermectin are the same people who use “the jab” to describe the covid vaccine. Both terms are designed to discredit a viewpoint and best left out of the a serious conversation.
Hypocrites and what not
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Small pet peeve of mine and not a shot at you because I don’t think you’ve complained about this but…..
The people who complain about “horse paste” being used to describe ivermectin are the same people who use “the jab” to describe the covid vaccine. Both terms are designed to discredit a viewpoint and best left out of the a serious conversation.
Hypocrites and what not
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I call it a shot because it’s not a vaccine. A vaccine actually vaccinates.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Small pet peeve of mine and not a shot at you because I don’t think you’ve complained about this but…..
The people who complain about “horse paste” being used to describe ivermectin are the same people who use “the jab” to describe the covid vaccine. Both terms are designed to discredit a viewpoint and best left out of the a serious conversation.
Hypocrites and what not
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Eh, that’s just you trying to get a jab in
 
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