Vaccine or not?

Exactly
This thing has evolved down to the common cold

Go about your business
I think most of us are trying to go about our business. Here is my issue with you on this... you are still considering the flu vaccine and any other vaccine that comes down the pike. You seem to not have any level of hesitancy whatsoever. I'm not saying you need to be as cynical about vaccines as myself, but you show little to no hesitancy even in spite of what you and I have seen in the past 3 years.
 
I think most of us are trying to go about our business. Here is my issue with you on this... you are still considering the flu vaccine and any other vaccine that comes down the pike. You seem to not have any level of hesitancy whatsoever. I'm not saying you need to be as cynical about vaccines as myself, but you show little to no hesitancy even in spite of what you and I have seen in the past 3 years.
I know waaaaaaayyyyyy more than you do about the vaccines I’m taking or not taking. Because I make it my business to know. I can’t stress enough how the red woman’s cancer has affected our lives and decisions. educate yourself and make the best decision for yourself.

So it may seem one way but you can count on the fact that I’ve torn all available data apart on each and every one of them.
 
I know waaaaaaayyyyyy more than you do about the vaccines I’m taking or not taking. Because I make it my business to know. I can’t stress enough how the red woman’s cancer has affected our lives and decisions. educate yourself and make the best decision for yourself.

So it may seem one way but you can count on the fact that I’ve torn all available data apart on each and every one of them.
The "data" is suspect.
 
Are they vaccinated?

Since it's not flu season you probably don't have any hospitalized flu patients but how many flu patients would you have typically during flu season?
They have all been vaccinated.
Normally, we have 5 to 6 a year, that end up in ICU from the flu. It fluctuates. The last 3 years during the Sept to April season, 1 positive influenza A that got someone a couple of days in ICU.
I think I’ve commented before on the lack of flu cases. It wasn’t just a fluctuation, it was a total absence.
 
No
All data is not suspect.
If it’s verifiable then it’s not corrupted
Not "all"... that would be a blanket statement. But I will say that over the past 3+ years, we've seen far too much of it being junk science. Enough to where a reasonable person would be cynical about any of it and not go through the process of trying to sift through it all.
 
Not "all"... that would be a blanket statement. But I will say that over the past 3+ years, we've seen far too much of it being junk science. Enough to where a reasonable person would be cynical about any of it and not go through the process of trying to sift through it all.
With all due respect that’s just stupid.
A person who wants accurate information should have been diligent before the last few years.

Or stick your head in your butt and never do anything
 
With all due respect that’s just stupid.
A person who wants accurate information should have been diligent before the last few years.

Or stick your head in your butt and never do anything
With all due respect... OK.

Here is a perfect example of what I am talking about. His opening monologue pretty much sums it up perfectly. The funding and profit motive drives the research far too often (not "ALL" the time, but far too often). Far more examples of studies released to either prove the efficacy of the C-19 vaccines or disprove the efficacy of "horse past"/Tractor Supply mix and hardly anything released on D3 (key word being "hardly", not saying "none").

 
With all due respect... OK.

Here is a perfect example of what I am talking about. His opening monologue pretty much sums it up perfectly. The funding and profit motive drives the research far too often (not "ALL" the time, but far too often). Far more examples of studies released to either prove the efficacy of the C-19 vaccines or disprove the efficacy of "horse past"/Tractor Supply mix and hardly anything released on D3 (key word being "hardly", not saying "none").


So you’re saying exactly what I’m telling you.
You can find the truth if you’re just willing to look for it.


It’s nice to be making progress with you.
 
So you’re saying exactly what I’m telling you.
You can find the truth if you’re just willing to look for it.


It’s nice to be making progress with you.
Did I say the truth wasn't out here? Or did I say that I am cynical of mostly anything these govt and medical agencies put out with regards to vaccine efficacy or the non-efficacy of alternative treatments?
 
Did I say the truth wasn't out here? Or did I say that I am cynical of mostly anything these govt and medical agencies put out with regards to vaccine efficacy or the non-efficacy of alternative treatments?
No you said I should be cynical of the information I dig through…..even though I’ve rejected the studies with bad methodology. Or at least you’re insinuating it. If you’re wanting the government to tell you what to do it’s going to be a long day for you. I’m not interested in that. I’ve been fighting the fight for 20 years now. I’m under no illusion that there’s anything I need to learn from the government.
 
No you said I should be cynical of the information I dig through…..even though I’ve rejected the studies with bad methodology. Or at least you’re insinuating it. If you’re wanting the government to tell you what to do it’s going to be a long day for you. I’m not interested in that. I’ve been fighting the fight for 20 years now. I’m under no illusion that there’s anything I need to learn from the government.
Fair enough. You have a personal incentive to go through the data. But my sentiment is that for the majority of people out here (including myself), most of these institutions (not "ALL") have no credibility and it really isn't worth the effort to even try to dig/sort through all of the nonsense. In your opinion, that is stupid or I'm opening myself up to biases or something else. That's fine... they blew the trust... and not just the government, BTW.The medical/science community went along with promoting the vaccines and the lockdowns and the masking and all of the other nonsense. Had this been just about trusting the govt, then sure... that is silly. But when the people who are SMEs and in the profession reinforce the BS, then I lump them into the same boat.

Govt and the drug companies incentived and/or coerced the medical community to betray the public trust.
 
Fair enough. You have a personal incentive to go through the data. But my sentiment is that for the majority of people out here (including myself), most of these institutions (not "ALL") have no credibility and it really isn't worth the effort to even try to dig/sort through all of the nonsense. In your opinion, that is stupid or I'm opening myself up to biases or something else. That's fine... they blew the trust... and not just the government, BTW.The medical/science community went along with promoting the vaccines and the lockdowns and the masking and all of the other nonsense. Had this been just about trusting the govt, then sure... that is silly. But when the people who are SMEs and in the profession reinforce the BS, then I lump them into the same boat.

Govt and the drug companies incentived and/or coerced the medical community to betray the public trust.
Your health and your life depend on the decisions you make.
I can testify that none of the agencies and a lot of your medical professionals have been unworthy of your trust for as long as I’ve been searching so it’s obvious to me that it’s been a problem longer than 20 years.
I guess I’m just welcoming everyone to the awakening
 
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Your health and your life depend on the decisions you make.
I didn't say my health isn't in my hands. Me being highly cynical of the govt and most of these medical institutions doesn't mean that I am out here running with scissors or living a feral lifestyle. It simply means I'm highly cynical of what these guys are saying. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Another example of what I'm talking about. This article popped up this morning in my LinkedIn talking about the 3 best breakfasts that doctors recommend (mostly oatmeal and toast). And then they went into foods to avoid (eggs and red meat). Just like I was able to reach a decision about ivermectin based on empirical info from about 2 dozen "horse paste" users, my health experiences over the past 2-3 years after changing my diet lead me to think these doctors are giving poor advice.

 
BigOrangeMojo here is a good read about a couple of people who got myocarditis weeks after getting vaccinated. Myocarditis is a big deal whether you get it from the vaccine or from covid itself. I believe it is approximately 50% of the people who get myocarditis, according to historical data, will be dead or require a heart transplant within five years. According to the data out there 1 in 2700 boys will get myocarditis from this vaccine ... That is a significant number any way you slice it.


 
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I didn't say my health isn't in my hands. Me being highly cynical of the govt and most of these medical institutions doesn't mean that I am out here running with scissors or living a feral lifestyle. It simply means I'm highly cynical of what these guys are saying. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Another example of what I'm talking about. This article popped up this morning in my LinkedIn talking about the 3 best breakfasts that doctors recommend (mostly oatmeal and toast). And then they went into foods to avoid (eggs and red meat). Just like I was able to reach a decision about ivermectin based on empirical info from about 2 dozen "horse paste" users, my health experiences over the past 2-3 years after changing my diet lead me to think these doctors are giving poor advice.

Good point. The "low fat craze" was a disaster -- the shift to a higher carb intake led to massive weight gain, increased diabetes and CV disease. It turns out, we really were designed to live on fruits, vegetables, nuts/seeds, and animal products, not processed grains.
 
This is what I have been saying. People are ok with acknowledging the toxic effect that covid has on our bodies but for some odd reason refuse to acknowledge the same side effects of the vaccine



 
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