Vaccine or not?

#28,377
#28,377
BigOrangeMojo said:
It did to a certain extent in Spring/Summer 2021. Obviously now, it has mutated to a point where it doesn't.

I'm not sure when his spouse had cancer or when he got vaxxed. If I recall correctly, I think his wife was diagnosed just a little before mine was..
Click to expand...
Diagnosed in Jan 20.
 
#28,378
#28,378
Rasputin_Vol said:
Also, if vaccinations were such a success in preventing the spread of C-19, then why did we see a surge of cases in the summer/fall of 2021 when Biden issued his Federal vaccine mandate?
Click to expand...
Do you have issues? This was a joke for goodness sakes. This isn't about you AT ALL. In fact, it was agreeing with the mood of this thread that work is going to kill me before covid does. Lighten the **** up and laugh a little. You suck at life Ras.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Orangeslice13 and BigOrangeMojo
#28,379
#28,379
Rasputin_Vol said:
That is exactly how stats work. You want to frame your arguement based on the most effective way to scare people. But if you look at just the odds of dying by being vaxxed vs not, .02% vs .002% risk of dying is not enough for most reasonable people to say "Yeah, let me get that experimental vaccine..."

And speaking of moving goalposts, here was my original comment that you responded to:


And you replied back with:



So explain how your .02% vs .002% rant is proof of anything? What you posted was a stat regarding risk of death. It wasn't about how my vaccination helps stop the spread or protects anyone else.
Click to expand...
The only rant happening here is your efforts to make my post about you. Mojo is the least rant prone person here btw.
 
  • Like
Reactions: StarRaider, Orangeslice13 and BigOrangeMojo
#28,381
#28,381
BigOrangeMojo said:
No matter how much you want to ignore the 32K deaths in just 1 week, it is by no definition numerically or Statistically insignificant.....
Click to expand...
In a nation of 330 million... no, it is not. That isn't me diminishing their lives. That is me simply looking at the raw numbers and the risk factors.

Again, .02% vs .002% is not enough of a risk factor that justifies taking an experimental jab. Nor does it explain how my vaccination helps other people. If anything, you are making a case that vaccinations only help those that are vaccinated... marginally.
 
#28,384
#28,384
BigOrangeMojo said:
32K deaths in 1 week is 1% of the total deaths in a year in this country....

By absolute totals and any statistical analysis, a relevant number.
Click to expand...
Dude, stop. The deaths spiked over a certain time period, but it was not 32k deaths throughout the entire year. We are talking about one-off events. Just stop with the fear mongering.

And 1 week is ~2% of a year. Even if things spiked over a month... or two, we both know these were one-off events. And it still doesn't address my original statement.

How do I protect anyone else by getting vaccinated? I'll give you one more chance to answer this.
 
#28,386
#28,386
Rasputin_Vol said:
Dude, stop. The deaths spiked over a certain time period, but it was not 32k deaths throughout the entire year. We are talking about one-off events. Just stop with the fear mongering.

And 1 week is ~2% of a year. Even if things spiked over a month... or two, we both know these were one-off events. And it still doesn't address my original statement.

How do I protect anyone else by getting vaccinated? I'll give you one more chance to answer this.
Click to expand...

There were over 460K COVID deaths in 2021. I know that's 1400% more than 32K so you are WRONG AGAIN. Probably not statistically relevant. If something happens for 30 weeks straight (300% or more unvax cases vs vax cases per 100K), that's not a one time event.

And I answered your question already. Maybe I should translate it to Russian so you and your puppet masters can understand...
 
#28,387
#28,387
Rasputin_Vol said:
Still waiting... how does my vaccination protect anyone else?
Click to expand...

I typed this earlier in English about why 82 might have got vaxxed for his wife but since I'm a nice guy...

Больной раком, например супруга 82-го, не так часто выходит на улицу. Я думаю, что его детей нет дома, поэтому наиболее вероятным человеком, от которого она может заразиться, был он. Я не говорю за него, но думаю, что плюс его возраст сыграл роль в решении, которое приняли он и его врачи.

Очевидно, что 400-1500% изменились в 2022 году, но вирус тоже изменился...
 
  • Like
Reactions: 82_VOL_83, newokie03 and davethevol
#28,388
#28,388
BigOrangeMojo said:
There were over 460K COVID deaths in 2021.
Click to expand...
Reported deaths. No one really knows how many were due to C-19 vs patients that died with C-19. You and I both know that the C-19 death numbers were inflated. Just stop. But again... how does my vaccination status help or hurt anyone else?

BigOrangeMojo said:
I know that's 1400% more than 32K so you are WRONG AGAIN. Probably not statistically relevant. If something happens for 30 weeks straight (300% or more unvax cases vs vax cases per 100K), that's not a one time event.
Click to expand...
It most certainly is a one time event with a novel virus, sir. WTF are you talking about? Everyone recognizes that it is no more than a common cold in 2024. Again, stop with the fear mongering.

BigOrangeMojo said:
And I answered your question already. Maybe I should translate it to Russian so you and your puppet masters can understand...
Click to expand...
No, you still have not explained how my vaccination helps or hurts you. All you did was post some stats about vaccinated people vs unvaccinated. That does nothing to show how many other lives were saved/protected of the people around them. Will you stop lying?
 
#28,389
#28,389
BigOrangeMojo said:
I typed this earlier in English about why 82 might have got vaxxed for his wife but since I'm a nice guy...

Больной раком, например супруга 82-го, не так часто выходит на улицу. Я думаю, что его детей нет дома, поэтому наиболее вероятным человеком, от которого она может заразиться, был он. Я не говорю за него, но думаю, что плюс его возраст сыграл роль в решении, которое приняли он и его врачи.

Очевидно, что 400-1500% изменились в 2022 году, но вирус тоже изменился...
Click to expand...
If you posted this in English, it is likely not anymore relevant.
 
#28,391
#28,391
Last comments on this. Not fear mongering. Stated multiple times how everything applied to only 2021 and not later years.

I definitely described in English and Russian how primary caretakers of cancer patients in late 50s, 60s are spouses. By far, the person most likely to spread COVID is living the house. In 2021 and only 2021, you were 400%-1500% more likely to catch COVID if you were unvaxxed.

Yeah, this logic don't make a lot of sense in 2024 since there's a small difference in spread and the virus has devolved from a major issue for older/sick people in 2021 to a cold in 2024....
 
#28,394
#28,394
Is there anybody still arguing that they are safe

Moderna Scientists Warn mRNA Vaccines Carry Toxicity Risks

www.nature.com

Strategies to reduce the risks of mRNA drug and vaccine toxicity - Nature Reviews Drug Discovery

The field of nucleic acid therapeutics is rapidly expanding, with mRNA drug and vaccine candidates now under development for diverse indications. However, various safety concerns are associated with the mRNA platform. This Review discusses key challenges and toxicities identified during the...
www.nature.com www.nature.com
 
  • Like
Reactions: UT_Dutchman
#28,396
#28,396
  • Like
Reactions: UT_Dutchman, KptVFL and BigOrangeMojo
#28,397
#28,397
BigOrangeMojo said:
It wasnt a rant. It was refuting your incorrect statement with actual numbers.

And here is your analysis for the September numbers you glossed over

330,000,000/100,000 * .0000974 delta = 32,142 deaths for 1 week

Guess that's insignificant too...
Click to expand...
You don't realize how big a number 330 million really is.
 
  • Like
Reactions: UT_Dutchman
#28,398
#28,398
BigOrangeMojo said:
Last comments on this. Not fear mongering. Stated multiple times how everything applied to only 2021 and not later years.

I definitely described in English and Russian how primary caretakers of cancer patients in late 50s, 60s are spouses. By far, the person most likely to spread COVID is living the house. In 2021 and only 2021, you were 400%-1500% more likely to catch COVID if you were unvaxxed.

Yeah, this logic don't make a lot of sense in 2024 since there's a small difference in spread and the virus has devolved from a major issue for older/sick people in 2021 to a cold in 2024....
Click to expand...
Yet people still want the 'vaccine'.

I want to know when Fauci goes on trial for crimes against humanity.
 
  • Like
Reactions: davethevol, UT_Dutchman, 82_VOL_83 and 1 other person
#28,399
#28,399
SpaceCoastVol said:
You don't realize how big a number 330 million really is.
Click to expand...

You don't realize that when an average week has 60K deaths nationwide, 32K in a week is a significant number.

Sounds like you went to Ras's class of stats and vodka butt chugging. Ha ha

Obviously, as the virus mutated, the effectiveness and efficiency of the "vax" waned. But yes, for most of 2021 it was at least somewhat effective, especially for the old and sick...
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top