Vaccine or not?

[lawgator1]

I didn't say any of that, but nice try

Who said this had anything to do with installing Puddinhead?

I don't know, go a few pages back, some of your MAGA brethren claim this was done intentionally, to help Biden. And when you say things like Fauci had some role ion funding of the lab, that sure makes it look like you are hinting that he in some way affirmatively wanted this to occur, which is ridiculous but seems to be the latest iteration of the anti-science wing of the Republican party, headed up by such intellectual stalwarts as MJT.

God, what an embarrassment she is to you on things like this.

 

[utvolpj]

And when you say things like Fauci had some role ion funding of the lab, that sure makes it look like you are hinting that he in some way affirmatively wanted this to occur,

Why must that giant leap true? It's pretty much settled now that Fauci was funding the research in the place where the outbreak began and in a lab that was known to have issues. This was research that could not be done in the US and he knew that

Do you deny those facts? Would knowing these facts from the beginning have been of any use to those putting together the response?

 

[Jxn Vol]

Nuremberg 2.0

Change my mind

 

[lawgator1]

Why must that giant leap true? It's pretty much settled now that Fauci was funding the research in the place where the outbreak began and in a lab that was known to have issues. This was research that could not be done in the US and he knew that

Do you deny those facts? Would knowing these facts from the beginning have been of any use to those putting together the response?

There is a significant difference between saying that $600,000 of NIH funding (out of a $3.7 million project) went to the Chinese lab in Wuhan to study bat coronaviruses. This is known.

There is an even more significant difference between that and saying that the virus that emerged there came from the lab. This is still speculation and it speaks volumes that the MAGA crowd desperately wants that to be true.

And there is an enormous difference between all of that and saying it was purposefully done. Sadly, it seems that a significant part of the MAGA crowd is willing to make that absurd leap of logic.

Where are you on the scale? Are you in the "It came from the lab so its at least partly the NIH's fault, and so since Fauci worked with NIH it is at least partly his fault"? Or are you in the "Fauci wanted this" crowd?

 

[utvolpj]

There is a significant difference between saying that $600,000 of NIH funding (out of a $3.7 million project) went to the Chinese lab in Wuhan to study bat coronaviruses. This is known.

There is an even more significant difference between that and saying that the virus that emerged there came from the lab. This is still speculation and it speaks volumes that the MAGA crowd desperately wants that to be true.

And there is an enormous difference between all of that and saying it was purposefully done. Sadly, it seems that a significant part of the MAGA crowd is willing to make that absurd leap of logic.

Where are you on the scale? Are you in the "It came from the lab so its at least partly the NIH's fault, and so since Fauci worked with NIH it is at least partly his fault"? Or are you in the "Fauci wanted this" crowd?

What you're attempting to do is couple any valid criticism with the most outlandish ideas in order to invalidate it. It's been a common tactic for the last 4 years and most people no longer fall for it

The lab leak is really no longer speculation. The real question is why any discussion of that accepted truth was banned by govt. Why was the wet market nonsense pushed instead of allowing a debate?

Fauci funded gof research that he knew was not allowed in the US. It was in a lab that had a history of safety issues. It was the epicenter of a worldwide pandemic that killed tens of millions. Fauci knew all this and still went on tv every night to gaslight the country. He also profited handsomely from the ensuing vax response that is also highly questionable. Do you believe he should be held accountable for these crimes?

 

[kiddiedoc]

What you're attempting to do is couple any valid criticism with the most outlandish ideas in order to invalidate it. It's been a common tactic for the last 4 years and most people no longer fall for it

The lab leak is really no longer speculation. The real question is why any discussion of that accepted truth was banned by govt. Why was the wet market nonsense pushed instead of allowing a debate?

Fauci funded gof research that he knew was not allowed in the US. It was in a lab that had a history of safety issues. It was the epicenter of a worldwide pandemic that killed tens of millions. Fauci knew all this and still went on tv every night to gaslight the country. He also profited handsomely from the ensuing vax response that is also highly questionable. Do you believe he should be held accountable for these crimes?

Bingo

 

[kiddiedoc]

I don't know, go a few pages back, some of your MAGA brethren claim this was done intentionally, to help Biden. And when you say things like Fauci had some role ion funding of the lab, that sure makes it look like you are hinting that he in some way affirmatively wanted this to occur, which is ridiculous but seems to be the latest iteration of the anti-science wing of the Republican party, headed up by such intellectual stalwarts as MJT.

God, what an embarrassment she is to you on things like this.

So, in other words, you are FOS and putting words into my mouth that I didn't say.

You claimed "95% it came from the wet market." Own that like a man, and stop with your wildly tangential attacks. You are acting like a petulant child that just got caught in the cookie jar.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I don't know, go a few pages back, some of your MAGA brethren claim this was done intentionally, to help Biden. And when you say things like Fauci had some role ion funding of the lab, that sure makes it look like you are hinting that he in some way affirmatively wanted this to occur, which is ridiculous but seems to be the latest iteration of the anti-science wing of the Republican party, headed up by such intellectual stalwarts as MJT.

God, what an embarrassment she is to you on things like this.

Yeah she was a bit apoplectic on some of that, but on a lot of it, she isn't wrong.

What I can't get my head around is why the Marxists aren't using the obvious evil intent of Herr Fauci to condemn Trump. Trump championed him as the head of NIAID.

And yet another thing I can't understand is that you call asking questions about all this "anti-science" when that is the complete opposite of what science is. Questioning is absolutely what science is all about. Unless you are dumb enough to believe aFauci was honest and it is all settled in which case all I can do is SMDH.

But then again, maybe you are talking about political science.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

There is a significant difference between saying that $600,000 of NIH funding (out of a $3.7 million project) went to the Chinese lab in Wuhan to study bat coronaviruses. This is known.

There is an even more significant difference between that and saying that the virus that emerged there came from the lab. This is still speculation and it speaks volumes that the MAGA crowd desperately wants that to be true.

And there is an enormous difference between all of that and saying it was purposefully done. Sadly, it seems that a significant part of the MAGA crowd is willing to make that absurd leap of logic.

Where are you on the scale? Are you in the "It came from the lab so its at least partly the NIH's fault, and so since Fauci worked with NIH it is at least partly his fault"? Or are you in the "Fauci wanted this" crowd?

wow. you are:

 

[kiddiedoc]

When somebody insists that the simplest, most logical explanation is definitely not true, they are almost certainly hiding something.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Yeah she was a bit apoplectic on some of that, but on a lot of it, she isn't wrong.

What I can't get my head around is why the Marxists aren't using the obvious evil intent of Herr Fauci to condemn Trump. Trump championed him as the head of NIAID.

And yet another thing I can't understand is that you call asking questions about all this "anti-science" when that is the complete opposite of what science is. Questioning is absolutely what science is all about. Unless you are dumb enough to believe all these people were honest and it is all settled in which case all I can do is SMDH.

But then again, maybe you are talking about political science.

I have worked in the laboratory science field for nearly 15 years now. Questions were welcomed and encouraged prior to COVID. During the pandemic, no one was allowed to question the BS policies that the hospital was enforcing with sub optimal PPE. Now in retrospect, all of the bogus regulations that were handed down were completely useless. People like LG and his ilk still drive around in their prius with a blue paper towel on their face waiting for the next round of govt control.

 

[lawgator1]

What you're attempting to do is couple any valid criticism with the most outlandish ideas in order to invalidate it. It's been a common tactic for the last 4 years and most people no longer fall for it

The lab leak is really no longer speculation. The real question is why any discussion of that accepted truth was banned by govt. Why was the wet market nonsense pushed instead of allowing a debate?

Fauci funded gof research that he knew was not allowed in the US. It was in a lab that had a history of safety issues. It was the epicenter of a worldwide pandemic that killed tens of millions. Fauci knew all this and still went on tv every night to gaslight the country. He also profited handsomely from the ensuing vax response that is also highly questionable. Do you believe he should be held accountable for these crimes?

That's where you lose credibility. That is simply not true. It is still being investigated.

Right-leaning scientists, or scientists associated with right-leaning groups, say that there is no definitive proof that it occurred naturally. Ergo, they claim likelihood is that it was man-made.

Others say that it is a common occurrence with viruses and the DNA is so closely matched that it appears to them that a natural transmission is the most likely source.

Anyone claiming to know for certain is not being intellectually honest.

 

[hog88]

That's where you lose credibility. That is simply not true. It is still being investigated.

Right-leaning scientists, or scientists associated with right-leaning groups, say that there is no definitive proof that it occurred naturally. Ergo, they claim likelihood is that it was man-made.

Others say that it is a common occurrence with viruses and the DNA is so closely matched that it appears to them that a natural transmission is the most likely source.

Anyone claiming to know for certain is not being intellectually honest.

You'll toe the party line right to the bitter end.

 

[turbovol]

I have worked in the laboratory science field for nearly 15 years now. Questions were welcomed and encouraged prior to COVID. During the pandemic, no one was allowed to question the BS policies that the hospital was enforcing with sub optimal PPE. Now in retrospect, all of the bogus regulations that were handed down were completely useless. People like LG and his ilk still drive around in their prius with a blue paper towel on their face waiting for the next round of govt control.

It was a pandemic, Earl. You and the rest of you anti-science, anti-government clowns seem to forget that--and forget the fact that lots
of people were dying. It was a global health crisis. There were lockdowns in most countries--many more extreme than ours. Yet the anti-government, anti-science pinheads got their pink panties in a knot because they didn't like to be inconvenienced. Was it all handled perfectly? Of course not: it was the first truly national health emergency the country had faced in decades. You aren't called rubes for nothing...

 

[utvolpj]

That's where you lose credibility. That is simply not true. It is still being investigated.

Right-leaning scientists, or scientists associated with right-leaning groups, say that there is no definitive proof that it occurred naturally. Ergo, they claim likelihood is that it was man-made.

Others say that it is a common occurrence with viruses and the DNA is so closely matched that it appears to them that a natural transmission is the most likely source.

Anyone claiming to know for certain is not being intellectually honest.

Link to the others (govt funded I'm sure) claiming this was natural and the Wuhan novel coronavirus didn't come from the novel coronavirus lab in Wuhan?

It should be very easy to post multiple, recent links as you've stated 95% are in this camp

 

[utvolpj]

You'll toe the party line right to the bitter end.

Until his purpose is served and the trench is dug

 

[PEPPERJAX]

It was a pandemic, Earl. You and the rest of you anti-science, anti-government clowns seem to forget that--and forget the fact that lots
of people were dying. It was a global health crisis. There were lockdowns in most countries--many more extreme than ours. Yet the anti-government, anti-science pinheads got their pink panties in a knot because they didn't like to be inconvenienced. Was it all handled perfectly? Of course not: it was the first truly national health emergency the country had faced in decades. You aren't called rubes for nothing...

I am not anti science but I am anti stupid. The blue masks never protected anyone from jack squat!

 

[hog88]

I am not anti science but I am anti stupid. The blue masks never protected anyone from jack squat!

Why don't you trust the "experts"?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

It was a pandemic, Earl. You and the rest of you anti-science, anti-government clowns seem to forget that--and forget the fact that lots
of people were dying. It was a global health crisis. There were lockdowns in most countries--many more extreme than ours. Yet the anti-government, anti-science pinheads got their pink panties in a knot because they didn't like to be inconvenienced. Was it all handled perfectly? Of course not: it was the first truly national health emergency the country had faced in decades. You aren't called rubes for nothing...

I worked through the crisis and experienced the reality of what happened in a trauma center. The pandemic was far from a hoax but the reaction along the nonsensical rules were the problem.

 

[utvolpj]

It was a pandemic, Earl. You and the rest of you anti-science, anti-government clowns seem to forget that--and forget the fact that lots
of people were dying. It was a global health crisis. There were lockdowns in most countries--many more extreme than ours. Yet the anti-government, anti-science pinheads got their pink panties in a knot because they didn't like to be inconvenienced. Was it all handled perfectly? Of course not: it was the first truly national health emergency the country had faced in decades. You aren't called rubes for nothing...

What part did the "anti-government, anti-science" pinheads get wrong?

 

[turbovol]

Wait: I know the Earls are bizarre half-wits who like to traffick in outlandish conspiracy theories. And I know that they spewed an avalanche of Covid-related nonsense. But I somehow missed the fact that some/many of them ACTUALLY seem to believe that the Covid virus was /intentionally/ released. Have I got that right? Just when you think these clowns can't get any more stupid and ridiculous, no, wait, yes...they can. We want to think that Marjorie Taylor Greene is a somewhat rare imbecile--but in fact we have a large block of people like her in America. If you are anti-government by instinct and low IQ, it's apparenty easy to ascribe all manner of nefarious behavior to it---no matter how absurd.

 

[turbovol]

What part did the "anti-government, anti-science" pinheads get wrong?

Mostly everything...

 

[utvolpj]

Mostly everything...

Like masks work, schools should close, beaches are dangerous, 6ft for safety, came from a pangolin, people under 55 were high risk, vit d doesn't help, vax will completely prevent you from getting covid, vax or vent, etc? Things like that?

Now, you list some

 

[Volnanza]

Like I said, you make statements based off of a bunch of ASSumptions about everyone. Why would you ASSume that I believed anything he said?

I don't know if your are making a play on words by misspelling Fauci or not but if you are out isn't working. If you aren't, learn to spell.

Picking at grammar and spelling is a sure admission you know you are wrong.

 

[StarRaider]

When somebody insists that the simplest, most logical explanation is definitely not true, they are almost certainly hiding something.

when bidenettes hear hoof beats... they think zebras not horses