Vaccine or not?

[allvol123]

Why? Because their parents say they can.

Seriously people, some of you support minors being able to get abortions or vaccines without parental consent yet you oppose a parent being able to consent to a drink?

There is a desire to be ruled. You're on an island, unfortunately.

 

[Impossible Girl]

I think this is fair.

I just don't like the idea of mandatory jabs to travel even within the country.

i don’t like it, but I understand it. Try traveling to places like Africa. You will be REQUIRED to have certain vaccines.

 

[MG1968]

But what's next? Bus lines going to be forced to only transport vaccinated passengers? If not WTH is the difference? Will it end up with the .gov forcing people to buy a car or charter transportation if they want to travel?

Traveling in aluminum tubes that utilize forced, recirculating air necessitates that everyone on board not be contagious.

 

[hog88]

Traveling in aluminum tubes that utilize forced, recirculating air necessitates that everyone on board not be contagious.

Again, how are buses different?

 

[hog88]

i don’t like it, but I understand it. Try traveling to places like Africa. You will be REQUIRED to have certain vaccines.

Not even the same subject.

 

[Hunerwadel]

The answer aligning with minimal government interference and maximizing personal Liberty is yes. The morality perspective will vary for parent to parent but isn’t necessarily any of their business.

Would you say then that the government has no right to pass laws governing morals?

 

[hog88]

Would you say then that the government has no right to pass laws governing morals?

I would say that.

 

[Impossible Girl]

Not even the same subject.

The point is that we have had restrictions on our liberties to move about and people don’t lose their mind over those. Hell, you we required to have a drivers license and insurance to operate a motor vehicle. We are required to have vaccinations to enter public schools.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Would you say then that the government has no right to pass laws governing morals?

My default stance would be no they don’t. Of course I would expect the gov to push on a case by case basis.

 

[RockyTop85]

Anybody on VN who claims to not be partially FOS is totally FOS.

Unless they’re claiming to be totally FOS, rather than partially, in which case they’re probably correct, which makes them only partially FOS.

 

[hog88]

The point is that we have had restrictions on our liberties to move about and people don’t lose their mind over those. Hell, you we required to have a drivers license and insurance to operate a motor vehicle. We are required to have vaccinations to enter public schools.

One, two, three wrongs don't make a right.

I never could understand the logic "hey the .gov already restricts my freedoms and movement so what's a few more restrictions"?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Traveling in aluminum tubes that utilize forced, recirculating air necessitates that everyone on board not be contagious.

It’s actually a mix of recirculation and external. Right now they are pulling in more external than normal and heating via ducting around exhaust and it hurts their cruise efficiency.

 

[hog88]

It’s actually a mix of recirculation and external. Right now they are pulling in more external than normal and heating via ducting around exhaust and it hurts their cruise efficiency.

I have read before that air on an airplane is cleaner than in most office buildings.

Have we even had a confirmed case of transmission in an airplane?

 

[Impossible Girl]

One, two, three wrongs don't make a right.

I never could understand the logic "hey the .gov already restricts my freedoms and movement so what's a few more restrictions"?

If those restrictions are beyond the current reach, or without historical precedent, sure.

 

[MG1968]

Again, how are buses different?

They don’t fall 30,000 feet when their engines fail.

 

[hog88]

If those restrictions are beyond the current reach, or without historical precedent, sure.

Oh so if the restrictions and infringement has a historical context they are free to add more?

 

[hog88]

They don’t fall 30,000 feet when their engines fail.

And what does that have to do with Covid?

 

[Sandman 423]

Traveling in aluminum tubes that utilize forced, recirculating air necessitates that everyone on board not be contagious.

a vaccine doesn't ensure that. A neg test before you get on would be the closest thing to that.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I have read before that air on an airplane is cleaner than in most office buildings.

Have we even had a confirmed case of transmission in an airplane?

On the newer aircraft yes. Any newer airplane from a major US carrier has pretty amazing air filtration. I’m just more concerned with the 15 or so disease factories in an arm’s radius swing.

 

[NorthDallas40]

They don’t fall 30,000 feet when their engines fail.

It’s more of a uncontrolled descent…

 

[hog88]

a vaccine doesn't insure that. A neg test before you get on would be the closest thing to that.

Good point. If this law was about preventing the spread of Covid it would require the airlines to give rapid tests to all passengers before boarding.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Again, how are buses different?

Can you open the window on a bus anymore?

 

[hog88]

Can you open the window on a bus anymore?

I don't think so.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You truly believe you have the right to travel on someone else's plane under your own rules?

Well that is a different question. No, I do not. But what does that have to do with H.R.4980.? If this is a bill originated by the airlines, then that's one thing. But if this is originating from lawmakers, then that takes the choice out of the airlines and the traveler.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

I don't think so.

Yeah, that's the direction I was leaning.