Vaccine or not?

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Weezy said:
Can you point us to those arguments? It seemed like you were totally dismissing the study based on a straw man argument you created. The study is very much important to those of us who already got the virus and are being treated like second class citizens.

I've been waiting for these studies. Every time you mention natural immunity the Science crowd shouts you down that there's no studies....ignoring the last year of data that shows reinfection is extremely rare.
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I’ve been clear from the beginning
If you’re using that study to argue against the vaccine for the unvaccinated then you’re a ****ing moron. The end.
If you want to argue beyond that then you can do it without me. I have no interest in following that tangent.

and to say the science community shouts you down when you mention natural immunity is just silly. We’re discussing a scientific article on natural immunity. The issue being some taking it out of context.
 
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#6,602
Weezy said:
Can you point us to those arguments? It seemed like you were totally dismissing the study based on a straw man argument you created. The study is very much important to those of us who already got the virus and are being treated like second class citizens.

I've been waiting for these studies. Every time you mention natural immunity the Science crowd shouts you down that there's no studies....ignoring the last year of data that shows reinfection is extremely rare.
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BTW. the bold is what the foundation of “straw man” looks like.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
BTW. the bold is what the foundation of “straw man” looks like.
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m not sure how there’s any relevant data in that comparison. Unless the argument is that people who had Covid don’t need the vaccine.
It’s an irrelevant comparison for those who have never had either the vaccine or Covid. If anything the vaccine as a therapeutic gets people through Covid to natural immunity in a safer fashion.

And I don’t give a **** that it’s not the original intended purpose of the vaccine. The point is to save lives which the vaccine clearly does any way you look at it.
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This is your post immediately following the link in the other thread. That's a straw man. The data is clearly relevant to the discussion of how much protection does prior infection provide. It's very relevant to policy where immunization is becoming a requirement for employment, business entry, travel, insurability, etc.
 
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#6,608
Weezy said:
This is your post immediately following the link in the other thread. That's a straw man. The data is clearly relevant to the discussion of how much protection does prior infection provide. It's very relevant to policy where immunization is becoming a requirement for employment, business entry, travel, insurability, etc.
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I'm not sure why @Orangeslice13 is ignoring this reality and chooses to beat on the straw man of "getting the virus to prevent getting the virus".
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Doctors handing it out to patients to treat COVID.
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That's not research.

That's doctors handing it out to patients to treat Covid.

Research would involve setting up a control group and doing a double blind treatment process, then examining, interpreting, and documenting the results.
 
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AshG said:
That's not research.

That's doctors handing it out to patients to treat Covid.

Research would involve setting up a control group and doing a double blind treatment process, then examining, interpreting, and documenting the results.
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The same research process that was largely abridged for the vaccine?

At some point real world examples trump whatever white paper research is done. In the ready aim fire typical world research is a a required proof of concept. Covid has been a constant case of fire aim ready where the proof only comes after real world application.

Its yet another case of lack of consistency from the science crowd.
 
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LouderVol said:
The same research process that was largely abridged for the vaccine?

At some point real world examples trump whatever white paper research is done. In the ready aim fire typical world research is a a required proof of concept. Covid has been a constant case of fire aim ready where the proof only comes after real world application.

Its yet another case of lack of consistency from the science crowd.
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Check the data on the vaccines. They were also double blinded. 60,000+ participants.

It's almost like some people just don't like science.
 
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I suspect the only research being done is that funded by pharmaceutical companies that stand to make billions or governments. That's why it took more than a year to have anything out there on reinfections.
 
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Weezy said:
This is your post immediately following the link in the other thread. That's a straw man. The data is clearly relevant to the discussion of how much protection does prior infection provide. It's very relevant to policy where immunization is becoming a requirement for employment, business entry, travel, insurability, etc.
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uuuuhhhhh
Seriously?

It’s an irrelevant argument to the context of the conversation…

“Unless “ which gives the exception for a different argument that the article was intended to make.

I’m not sure you understand what straw man means.
Either way I’m not interested in debate on something that I agree with. In that if you’ve had Covid the vaccine is unlikely necessary. Even if the article still recommends it.

As you were
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not sure why @Orangeslice13 is ignoring this reality and chooses to beat on the straw man of "getting the virus to prevent getting the virus".
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Because my argument was narrowly tailored to a specific dumbass. You trying to draw it in to something it’s not doesn’t change my argument and who it was aimed at.

he’s stupid. I expect better from you.
 
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AshG said:
Check the data on the vaccines. They were also double blinded. 60,000+ participants.

It's almost like some people just don't like science.
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I know some of the people who participated. What's funny/ironic is that participation makes them ineligible for future vacanations.

The point I was making is that the full process, science, wasnt followed. There are standards that we have upheld for almost 100 years that were ignored for Covid vacanations. But that same leeway isnt given to other options.

I keep saying it, but the consistency from anyone isnt there.

If you have issues with one, you should have issues with the other.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not sure why @Orangeslice13 is ignoring this reality and chooses to beat on the straw man of "getting the virus to prevent getting the virus".
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Respect for personal choice to refuse vaccination: ✅
Respect for personal choices regarding how to run a company: ❌

I don’t understand the framework that leads to different outcomes, here.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
uuuuhhhhh
Seriously?

It’s an irrelevant argument to the context of the conversation…

“Unless “ which gives the exception for a different argument that the article was intended to make.

I’m not sure you understand what straw man means.
Either way I’m not interested in debate on something that I agree with. In that if you’ve had Covid the vaccine is unlikely necessary. Even if the article still recommends it.

As you were
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I don't think you are in the Science crowd. But I think we are all just missing who you were arguing with. Who's the dumbass?
 
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Can anyone recommend a therapist? I've had to show my vaccine passport numerous times over the past few days. Don't know how I'll recover from feeling so violated. I haven't had this amount of trauma since my early twenties when I had to show ID to get into bars.
 
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Low incidence, low rate of infection, but when it hits it hits ..

One of my friends "did her research" on the vaccine, followed the path down the rabbit hole, drank the Kool aid, and is now a member of the Sovereign Citizen movement.

Talk about a lane jump. I'm just doing good roads, fair weather and praying this is a phase that will pass. Disagreeing on vaccine policy is one thing, but dang...
 
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AshG said:
Low incidence, low rate of infection, but when it hits it hits ..

One of my friends "did her research" on the vaccine, followed the path down the rabbit hole, drank the Kool aid, and is now a member of the Sovereign Citizen movement.

Talk about a lane jump. I'm just doing good roads, fair weather and praying this is a phase that will pass. Disagreeing on vaccine policy is one thing, but dang...
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Those people are fun at parties.
 
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