Vaccine or not?

[OrangeTsar]

Where are you getting that 1 in a million number?

It is just a wild a$$ed guess. I didn’t feel like reading a bunch of studies. But you are right, it probably is much lower.
edit: one estimate is actually higher 2 to 5 per million. So i stand corrected.
Nashville Doctor: Odds of death from COVID-19 vaccine same as being struck by lightning

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

And you got it from Dr. Fauci

You gonna keep deflecting from the fact that, even as a vaccinated person, you still can contract covid and could still pass it to someone else?

Might as well get off of your high horse.

 

[JacketVol]

Why would you think the serious and dying are those with natural immunity. It’s the 12% that are the bulk of dead and serious cases
neither those who survived the first 2 Waves or the Vaccinated are not dying.
it’s interesting that we don’t get numbers on the Palestinians. I wonder how they’re affecting the situation in Israel?

A nurse friend of mine had 3 patients pass away those past weekend. All 3 were fully vaccinated. They were also in a facility and elderly.

 

[JacketVol]

Pfizer is FDA approved, what else do you want

The vaccine you can get tomorrow is not. The one approved is not in distribution yet.

 

[kiddiedoc]

The reason that smallpox and polio were eradicated is because everyone took the vaccine, so yes getting
vaccinated saves other peoples lives.

Not to start a debate, but smallpox and polio are not even remotely similar to this respiratory virus.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Not to start a debate, but smallpox and polio are not even remotely similar to this respiratory virus.

If they were, there would be a totally different conversation going on.

 

[Offset Eye]

And where are you getting your synopsis from Dr.........

I know 13 people that in the last 3 weeks got COVID and they all got the vaccine (Pfizer and Moderna). About an average of 3 months after getting the final dose. What again does the vaccine do? Get this, I know one lady in her early 60's that went through menopause 10 years ago. She started her period last week, 2 months after the vaccine. Sound about right?

 

[EricStratton]

How many of ya'll are still using NexTel or Palm Pilots?

Yeah, I'm waiting, too.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

No, Ivermectin Is Not Making People Poop Out 'Rope Worms'. The Truth Is Much Worse

Why are some of you so against alternative therapies that can work?

 

[Offset Eye]

I’m fine.
I assure you, she’s a smart lady.
I hope Ivermectin works for Covid.

It will if it's dosed early and properly.

Look, I am not anti-vax, though, I have concerns about the results of clots and heart enlargement post-vax. I know a guy that got clots and is now on meds to treat this condition after he got the Moderna vaccine. But, the obese, COPD and diabetic patients, sleep apnea, immune-compromised... yeah, they may be better served getting the vaccine. Maybe. One issue is, these people when they present with onset symptoms are not being treated properly. The bigger issue is that they are not taking care of themselves properly, nor are most people. Take IVM out of the equation (which is not a good idea IMO), they should at least be taking anti-biotics to stave off opportunistic infections and also steroids to knock down inflammation immediately. Sadly, that is not the treatment these patients are getting.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It will if it's dosed early and properly.

Look, I am not anti-vax, though, I have concerns about the results of clots and heart enlargement post-vax. I know a guy that got clots and is now on meds to treat this condition after he got the Moderna vaccine. But, the obese, COPD and diabetic patients, sleep apnea, immune-compromised... yeah, they may be better served getting the vaccine. Maybe. One issue is, these people when they present with onset issues are not being treated properly. The bigger issue is that they are not taking care of themselves properly, nor are most people. Take IVM out of the equation (which is not a good idea IMO), they should at least be taking anti-biotics to stave off opportunistic infections and also steroids to knock down inflammation immediately. Sadly, that is not the treatment these patients are getting.

What treatment are they usually getting in the hospital? Remdesivir?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Pfizer is FDA approved, what else do you want

The FDA also approved the following:

Potassium bromate
Aziodicarbonamide
Brominated vegetable oil
BHA and BHT
Yellow food dye #5 and #6
Red dye #40

BuT bEcAuSe tHe FDA aPpRoVeD iT, iTs sAfE

 

[volfanhill]

So far it’s less than a 1/4 of 1%.

So far it's going to be a million people by the end of this year. And I don't want to hear about how some were obese, had cancer, or were old . Their life was cut short bc of Covid. To argue otherwise is dumb.

 

[Offset Eye]

What treatment are they usually getting in the hospital? Remdesivir?

Remedesvir and Dexamethasone. At least, around here. And people die. And doctors continue the same treatment. No steroids. No IVM.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If used properly, if used early enough, if, if, if.....we don't have tim;e for if's, we are in the middle of a mass epidemic

A vaccine will not stop COVID. Nothing will.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So far it's going to be a million people by the end of this year. And I don't want to hear about how some were obese, had cancer, or were old . Their life was cut short bc of Covid. To argue otherwise is dumb.

No it’s not dumb. You are using assumptions in your argument.

 

[volfanhill]

No it’s not dumb. You are using assumptions in your argument.

No you are using assumptions. It's not difficult.

 

[Offset Eye]

So far it's going to be a million people by the end of this year. And I don't want to hear about how some were obese, had cancer, or were old . Their life was cut short bc of Covid. To argue otherwise is dumb.

Well, at least nobody is dying from the flu or pneumonia. There's that win.

 

[NashVol11]

Why are some of you so against alternative therapies that can work?

You're getting "so against" from me posting one article? Sh***ing out your intestinal lining after taking animal medicine isn't a great sign though

 

[NashVol11]

The FDA also approved the following:

Potassium bromate
Aziodicarbonamide
Brominated vegetable oil
BHA and BHT
Yellow food dye #5 and #6
Red dye #40

BuT bEcAuSe tHe FDA aPpRoVeD iT, iTs sAfE

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

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I have never trusted the FDA. My post is pointing that out. But because the FDA approved something people act like it’s completely safe. Yeah the same FDA that Cuomo and Biden said they wouldn’t trust right?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

No you are using assumptions. It's not difficult.

Lol. You are assuming their life was cut short by COVId. That assumes they would have lived if they didn’t have it. That’s an assumption. It’s not difficult.

 

[RikidyBones]

But I have taken every precaution

What difference does that make to the people that still catch it from you spreading it and die?

 

[ENGRVOL]

Large Study (>300k) out of the UK showing Pfizer about 85% effective at preventing covid against delta in those 18-64 years of age. Apologies if already posted.
https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coro...ction-survey/finalfinalcombinedve20210816.pdf
Also of note the Pfizer vaccine did a little better protecting against infection than having previous positive test.

Suspect one of the reasons was that they just looked at a much healthier and younger population to see how well the vaccine did compared to what that recent Israeli study did. Those 65 and older with comorbidities seem to have rapidly waning vaccine efficacy compared to the general population. This seems to suggest that maybe boosters aren’t needed for the young.

 

[Orangeslice13]

No one is suggesting that we don't need the vaccines, slice. One of the main things that has been frustrating is that vaccines were the only alternatives given.

For something like this, there shouldn't be any thing left on the table. All options should be made available.

You’re not suggesting it.
But there are a lot that are saying the vaccine is unnecessary.
There are a lot that are pushing vaccines only.
Both groups are posting stats out of context and only posting things that support their preconceived opinions.