Vaccine or not?

[whodeycin85]

So far it's going to be a million people by the end of this year. And I don't want to hear about how some were obese, had cancer, or were old . Their life was cut short bc of Covid. To argue otherwise is dumb.

1 million out or 328 million let me knew when people are dropping dead at say 30% and infection rate is around 50% cuz right now infection rage is 11% and deaths won't even cover close to 1%...... and yes ive had friends pass from covid so emotional BS won't work

 

[Orangeslice13]

Moderna is ****

Moderna is the best at the vaccines by the actual numbers

 

[Orangeslice13]

Maybe less than 1%.

So roughly 650k dead so far.
It’s not the percentage that’s the problem it’s the volume of infection

 

[Orangeslice13]

Why ivermectin should not be used to prevent or treat COVID-19

That article speaks to the stupidity of self treatment but has little to say about the study and safety except to say the studies are inconclusive without siting the studies.
I posted a peer review summary that is actually quite positive for ivermectin. It should still be prosed. Same as plaquenil

 

[Orangeslice13]

A nurse friend of mine had 3 patients pass away those past weekend. All 3 were fully vaccinated. They were also in a facility and elderly.

We’re they in Israel or Palestinian?
Edit: I’m not really interested in arguing antidotal evidence.
I know a local contractor that had a family reunion of about 60 people. 5 people got Covid that were at the party and 2 died. All unvaccinated. That really doesn’t prove anything without further study and context.

 

[LouderVol]

Wow, treatments??? What a novel concept.

I thought vaccines that are declining in efficacy were the end-all solution?

Crazy right? We have all heard how well the vaccine works, so doctors shouldnt even be working on the vaxxed. Wouldnt want to imply that they dont work.

 

[LouderVol]

One example, by being vaccinated, 99% of the unvaccinated would not be taking up all the resources in hospitals and it would allow for others to get cancer screenings, colonoscopy etc. that people are unable to get now. Who knows what consequences will result from catching things too late because of the unvaccinated freedoms?

Link to 99% of the unvaxxed taking up hospital resources?

Anecdotal but I know my portion of the 1% hasnt taken any medical resources in years.

 

[LouderVol]

Seriously folks. I don’t want the government TELLING me to get vaccinated. But anyone with a basic grasp of statistics (and doesn’t have a Medical condition that makes vaccination dangerous) should see that it is wise to get one. Even if I have a 99% chance of surviving Covid -and maybe a 30% chance of catching it in the first place, a 1/300 chance of death from Covid is a lot bigger risk than maybe 1 in a million risk of dying from a reaction to the vaccine. Get the shot people. If not for yourself, get it for the people who would be devastated by your death, the people who love you. I can think of nothing worse than having my children and wife weeping over my casket because of something I could have avoided with two free low risk shots. That would just be cruel.

Now do smoking, heart disease, diabetes.

Also it's well above a 1/450 chance of dying. If you are going to fear monger at least use correct info.

Personally, I have a bigger risk from male breast cancer. I dont see anyone suggesting I get a mastectomy.

 

[VolinWayne]

Love this song...."can't take this BS any longer"

Listen: Rock Legend Eric Clapton Releases ‘This Has Gotta Stop’ COVID Protest Song

 

[kiddiedoc]

Remedesvir and Dexamethasone. At least, around here. And people die. And doctors continue the same treatment. No steroids. No IVM.

Dexamethasone is a steroid. You're right, though, remdesivir is really not working well. Also, many people (including a couple on this board) would be shocked to discover that a lot of hospitals ARE actually including ivermectin in treatment of hospitalized folks. I just don't know if anything really helps that much when you have already gotten severely ill.

It appears right now that vaccinating the at-risk, looking at better vaccine options, EARLY treatment with MAb, and exploring therapeutic options (including ivermectin, oral steroids) as an outpatient are the options.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Thank you.
One thing I have learned from COVID is that when America was asked, what is the bare minimum you would do to save the life of the person next to you, the answer for many, was nothing.

Quit being overly dramatic

 

[Vjcvette]

Not to start a debate, but smallpox and polio are not even remotely similar to this respiratory virus.

well we are discussing the cause and effect of vaccines and viruses, not comparing viruses

 

[Vjcvette]

Quit being overly dramatic

800,000 people loosing their lives in not being overly dramatic.......get a clue

 

[RikidyBones]

800,000 people loosing their lives in not being overly dramatic.......get a clue

They should tighten that up

 

[Vjcvette]

What difference does that make to the people that still catch it from you spreading it and die?

If eveyone had gotten vaccinated, then we would not have to deal with all of the variants

 

[Rickyvol77]

800,000 people loosing their lives in not being overly dramatic.......get a clue

You must be new here. And yea you realize how many people die a year in general?

 

[hog88]

If eveyone had gotten vaccinated, then we would not have to deal with all of the variants

That is completely false.

 

[Vjcvette]

Seriously folks. I don’t want the government TELLING me to get vaccinated. But anyone with a basic grasp of statistics (and doesn’t have a Medical condition that makes vaccination dangerous) should see that it is wise to get one. Even if I have a 99% chance of surviving Covid -and maybe a 30% chance of catching it in the first place, a 1/300 chance of death from Covid is a lot bigger risk than maybe 1 in a million risk of dying from a reaction to the vaccine. Get the shot people. If not for yourself, get it for the people who would be devastated by your death, the people who love you. I can think of nothing worse than having my children and wife weeping over my casket because of something I could have avoided with two free low risk shots. That would just be cruel.

Amen Brother

 

[Rickyvol77]

If eveyone had gotten vaccinated, then we would not have to deal with all of the variants

This is actually not true. You need to talk to a doctor sometime like Dr Rasanke form UTMC

 

[Vjcvette]

You must be new here. And yea you realize how many people die a year in general?

We are talking about preventable measures that are available to the public

 

[Rickyvol77]

We are talking about preventable measures that are available to the public

Vaccines don’t prevent you from getting Covid

 

[Vjcvette]

The FDA also approved the following:

Potassium bromate
Aziodicarbonamide
Brominated vegetable oil
BHA and BHT
Yellow food dye #5 and #6
Red dye #40

BuT bEcAuSe tHe FDA aPpRoVeD iT, iTs sAfE

Its safer than Covid, get a clue

 

[Ttucke11]

Its safer than Covid, get a clue

For a 70 year old sure. For a healthy 28 year old, not really. It poses virtually 0 risk to me. I’m in a lot more danger driving to work.

 

[RikidyBones]

If eveyone had gotten vaccinated, then we would not have to deal with all of the variants

Lmao. That's not true. At all.

 

[Vjcvette]

Vaccines don’t prevent you from getting Covid

Take your pick, a vaccine or a ventilator