Vaccine or not?

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AshG said:
We have to be careful with VAERS. With anyone able to report regardless of diagnostic or medical training, there's little in the way of checks and balances. It's basically the Wikipedia of vaccination reaction results.
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kiddiedoc said:
No, it's not.
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You asked, we answered: Does VAERS list deaths caused by COVID-19 vaccines?
False reports to VAERS
VAERS is like the Wikipedia of data reporting. Anyone can report anything. Many reports are helpful. Some reports are nonsense – one anesthesiologist successfully submitted a VAERS report that the flu vaccine had turned him into The Incredible Hulk. Another false report of a 2-year-old dying from a COVID-19 vaccine was removed from VAERS because the CDC says it was "completely made up."
 
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mad4vols said:
You asked, we answered: Does VAERS list deaths caused by COVID-19 vaccines?
False reports to VAERS
VAERS is like the Wikipedia of data reporting. Anyone can report anything. Many reports are helpful. Some reports are nonsense – one anesthesiologist successfully submitted a VAERS report that the flu vaccine had turned him into The Incredible Hulk. Another false report of a 2-year-old dying from a COVID-19 vaccine was removed from VAERS because the CDC says it was "completely made up."
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So question. Can anyone state with any certainty that all VAERS reports are false? I mean because some reports are nonsense, does that mean all are?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So question. Can anyone state with any certainty that all VAERS reports are false? I mean because some reports are nonsense, does that mean all are?
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VAERS cannot and does not determine whether a vaccine caused something. The CDC states this clearly in their disclaimer: "A report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine caused the adverse event, only that the adverse event occurred some time after vaccination." The disclaimer continues, "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental or unverifiable."
 
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mad4vols said:
VAERS cannot and does not determine whether a vaccine caused something. The CDC states this clearly in their disclaimer: "A report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine caused the adverse event, only that the adverse event occurred some time after vaccination." The disclaimer continues, "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental or unverifiable."
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Like I thought zero certainty. So the reports could be true. But hey the CDC hasn’t lied at all so we just need to believe them right? Good lord man you cannot be this sense.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Like I thought zero certainty. So the reports could be true. But hey the CDC hasn’t lied at all so we just need to believe them right? Good lord man you cannot be this sense.
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Reporting even unrelated deaths
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires health care providers to report any serious adverse event (including death) that happens after a COVID-19 vaccination – whether or not the provider thinks there is any link. The CDC says, "Health care providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination…regardless if the reporter thinks the vaccine caused the AE." AE stands for adverse event and includes death.

That means that if a vaccinated person drowns, gets in a car crash or is struck by lightning, their death must be reported to VAERS as an adverse event. Since we've vaccinated over 140 million people in the United States, many deaths will occur coincidentally after vaccination.

As of May 10, there have been 4,434 reports of death following a COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS. Doctors at the CDC review each reported death, looking at death certificates, autopsy and medical records. They have no reason to believe that COVID-19 vaccines cause death.
 
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Zues1 said:
Anyone who believed that story " gunshot victims standing in line while ER is backed up with horse dewormer overdoses"
Well, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe remove the tinfoil hat.
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Would have been more believable if they said it was a large city instead of Oklahoma. I would venture a guess there aren't many shooting there.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
True, but the narrative right now is that Ivermectin is horse dewormer and that it is dangerous.
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There’s hardly a consensus on narrative.
And to give all credit to ivermectin is false when he’s also taking other treatments know to be more effective.
How about we start reporting and repeating the entire truth instead of what fits your narrative. (You in the general since not you personally) and I’d like to remind you (general sense of anyone who feels the need to respond) that I’ve called out both sides of this debate regularly.
 
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