Vaccine or not?

[Rasputin_Vol]

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WTH is going on. This is the second person I've read about that have died in the hospital days after testing positive.
This article said two days. Another one was five days.
I can't wrap my head around a 24 year old passing in two days while being " treated" in a hospital.

I bet you they were treating him with Remdisivir.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I know someone personally that took Ivermectin and was out of bed in 4 days.

I now know of a colleague and his extended family in which four people have taken ivermectin and dexamethasone (along with a vitamin and Zinc cocktail), all symptom-free in 48 h, no antibody tx.

 

[Grand Vol]

Vaccine passports won't be mandatory they said...

Vaccine passports won't mean anything they said...

3 state troopers in Vermont resign after accusations they faked Covid vaccination cards

Three state troopers in Vermont resigned amid allegations that they had "varying roles" in producing fake Covid-19 vaccination cards, accusations that prompted an FBI investigation, authorities said.

The men, Shawn Sommers, Raymond Witkowski and David Pfindel, "are suspected of having varying roles in the creation of fraudulent COVID-19 vaccination cards, which may be a violation of federal law," Vermont State Police said in a statement Tuesday.

"The details surrounding this incident, reported to supervisors by other troopers, were immediately reported to federal law enforcement authorities," the statement said. "The state police referred the matter to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Attorney's Office in Burlington."

Fake Covid vaccination cards have caught the attention of law enforcement throughout the country. An Illinois woman was charged late last month with two misdemeanors in Hawaii and accused of using a fake vaccination card to bypass the state's coronavirus testing and quarantine requirements.

The woman, Chloe Mrozak, 24, was arrested at the Honolulu airport as she tried to board a flight to the mainland after a five-day stay in Hawaii.

So... now needed to travel?

 

[MAD]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

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This tweet is probably the most credible one you've posted in here.

 

[AthensVol2007]

Unknown vax status and dead = vaxxed

That’s what my 2 + 2 = 4 came up with as well. Especially given that he’s a college coach and many universities are requiring coaches to be vaccinated.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

 

[MAD]

Numbers don’t lie, when you compare the state by state breakthrough hospitalizations and deaths with the unvaccinated there is no comparison. These are facts.
See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State

 

[VolinWayne]

Numbers don’t lie, when you compare the state by state breakthrough hospitalizations and deaths with the unvaccinated there is no comparison. These are facts.
See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State

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I believe the issue is the vaccines are causing the new variants. How do you explain what's happening right now in countries like Israel that have the highest vaccination rate in the world

 

[VolinWayne]

Employees that get fired for refusing to take the vaccine need to lawyer up and take former employers to court. This is discrimination

 

[VolinWayne]

Great website with lots of sources and issues that at a minimum need to be discussed and debated.


UnmaskingTruth.Org - Get The Facts About The Covid Pandemic

 

[Orangeslice13]

I believe the issue is the vaccines are causing the new variants. How do you explain what's happening right now in countries like Israel that have the highest vaccination rate in the world

I don’t think you are reading the Israel data correctly.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I believe the issue is the vaccines are causing the new variants. How do you explain what's happening right now in countries like Israel that have the highest vaccination rate in the world

Mutations happen, they are not "caused" by anything. However, there is the realistic concern that the narrow coverage of mRNA vaccines could be selecting for mutated strains -- in essence, allowing them to become the predominant variant.

 

[kiddiedoc]

For breakthrough data, bear in mind that those numbers are all-time, not since the emergence of delta. And, of course, there is no data on mild infections, which will still fuel the spread of the virus.

 

[508mikey]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/08/uni...cine-mandate-will-be-put-on-unpaid-leave.html

 

[Tyler Durden]

Employees that get fired for refusing to take the vaccine need to lawyer up and take former employers to court. This is discrimination

Lol, no it's not.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Numbers don’t lie, when you compare the state by state breakthrough hospitalizations and deaths with the unvaccinated there is no comparison. These are facts.
See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State

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Well hold on... the column for "As percentage of all COVID deaths"... is that counting the deaths from before the vaccines were introduced? Because obviously, those deaths would be unvaccinated and none of those would have been considered "breakthroughs". The proper thing to do would be to compare the deaths from vaccinated vs unvaccinated for the period AFTER the vaccines were released. Then you could have an apples to apples comparison.

Same goes for the column about total COVID hospitalizations. You have to at minimum start counting AFTER the vaccines were released to get an accurate comparison between the two groups.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Employees that get fired for refusing to take the vaccine need to lawyer up and take former employers to court. This is discrimination

Let's be realistic here... the courts are corrupt. I would not hang my hat on the notion that you are going to get a fair ruling.

 

[Pacer92]

Merck’s deadly Vioxx playbook, redux: a debunked smear campaign against its competing drug—the FDA-approved, Nobel prize-honored ivermectin

 

[VolinWayne]

Let's be realistic here... the courts are corrupt. I would not hang my hat on the notion that you are going to get a fair ruling.

You are probably correct. People need to at least give it a shot.

 

[LouderVol]

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Ok, sure, you’re just asking good faith questions about what’s contained in a study that is published online and could easily be checked to your own satisfaction. That seems super plausible.

Yes, the study contained a citation to another study that concluded that infectious virus was more likely to be present at certain Ct thresholds.

And is it too much to ask for the articles sourcing that study to actually provide the numbers? I mean it's just the basis of why these guys are supposed to be experts. As a professional I cant imagine making these types of assertions and not even directly reference the numbers I have sourced.

Especially on the backdrop of all the recalled studies. And those recalls have gone both ways, so it's not a "denialist" stance.

 

[Weezy]

This is the kind of post that concerns me. It shows that you're not looking at this clearly. This is from the manufacturer:


Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

The best thing I can say about folks refusing to get vaccinated is that they're very cautious about what goes into their bodies...so if that's the case, explain to me what other drug they'd be willing to ingest where the manufacturer says that there's a lack of safety data, no evidence that it works and there's no scientific basis for a therapeutic effect?

I can tell from your post above that you're confident in its safety yet the science doesn't support it. This is what I don't get. Why be so hard on the vax but be so "lax" on other drugs such as Ivermectin? It shows a lack of clarity on this position.

Did you read the vaccine info sheet when you got the jab? I did, it read the same. Have you read the labels on your mask box? I understand why some people would be more skeptical of either/or. The fact is everything is experimental right now.

 

[LouderVol]

This is the kind of post that concerns me. It shows that you're not looking at this clearly. This is from the manufacturer:


Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

The best thing I can say about folks refusing to get vaccinated is that they're very cautious about what goes into their bodies...so if that's the case, explain to me what other drug they'd be willing to ingest where the manufacturer says that there's a lack of safety data, no evidence that it works and there's no scientific basis for a therapeutic effect?

I can tell from your post above that you're confident in its safety yet the science doesn't support it. This is what I don't get. Why be so hard on the vax but be so "lax" on other drugs such as Ivermectin? It shows a lack of clarity on this position.

There is a difference between safe for general use of humans, which ivermetcin has. And specific studies on efficacy vs covid, which ivermetcin does not have.

Until a month ago the FDA considered ivermetcin role vs Covid the same as the vaccine, EUA. Different vectors of role, but both were under the same considerations.

Considering ivermetcin has a proven health record, and it has to be prescribed by a doctor where the vax doesnt, I dont see the inconsistency.

 

[MAD]

Well hold on... the column for "As percentage of all COVID deaths"... is that counting the deaths from before the vaccines were introduced? Because obviously, those deaths would be unvaccinated and none of those would have been considered "breakthroughs". The proper thing to do would be to compare the deaths from vaccinated vs unvaccinated for the period AFTER the vaccines were released. Then you could have an apples to apples comparison.

Same goes for the column about total COVID hospitalizations. You have to at minimum start counting AFTER the vaccines were released to get an accurate comparison between the two groups.

Below is current data from hospitals with their latest hospitalization reports.

 

[Sea Ray]

Except it is proven extremely safe. Is it effective? I guess the jury's out although plenty of studies are suggesting it is. Even if not effective though, it is not harmful and has been around for a long time. However, anti-monoclonal treatment is proving extremely effective, yet we hear nothing about it. Just vax vax vax, when the current vax does nothing to the now dominant strain. Because science $$$$.

Are you sure about that? Did you know that one study showed that it sterilized 85% of men who took it?

Ivermectin causes sterilization in 85 percent of men, 2011 Nigerian study finds | WFLA

Here's the point, if you look hard enough, you'll find bad after effects of any drug and believe me, everyone is looking for this with the vaccine. If safety is your issue and not effectiveness, then you're still not on solid ground to opt for Ivermectin instead of the vax. If effectiveness is your priority then you're insane to forego the vax and rely on Ivermectin